The reason for the recent helicopter nerfs (video)

2010-04-22 14:11:38

#1

Spidery_Yoda: Member; +399|6548

The reason is simple: DICE are giving us balance changes based on console gameplay, and the console versions have an entirely different flight model to the slow, sluggish PC flight model. Helicopters are fast, can circle strafe extremely quickly, and look a hell of a lot of fun.

Observe:

So yes. That's why the tracer dart is now extremely fast and makes taking out helicopters the easiest thing in the game, why the heli guns do no damage and the AA guns are now even more powerful then they already were. Because on the PS3 version the helicopter moves quickly.

Hopefully DICE will quickly realise their stupidity (long shot) and either give us that quick, responsive flight model, or revert the completely unneeded changes.

Maybe they shouldn't judge all balance based on the console versions in future.

Last edited by Spidery_Yoda (2010-04-22 14:13:08)

2010-04-22 14:15:48

#2

mtb0minime: minimember; +2,418|6933

Holy hell that's fast!

But why wouldn't they judge all balance based on the console versions? That's where the money is

2010-04-22 14:16:27

#3

FatherTed: xD; +3,936|6778|so randum

Spidery_Yoda wrote:
The reason is simple: DICE are giving us balance changes based on console gameplay, and the console versions have an entirely different flight model to the slow, sluggish PC flight model. Helicopters are fast, can circle strafe extremely quickly, and look a hell of a lot of fun.

Observe:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehLJBD4i74g

So yes. That's why the tracer dart is now extremely fast and makes taking out helicopters the easiest thing in the game, why the heli guns do no damage and the AA guns are now even more powerful then they already were. Because on the PS3 version the helicopter moves quickly.

Hopefully DICE will quickly realise their stupidity (long shot) and either give us that quick, responsive flight model, or revert the completely unneeded changes.

Maybe they shouldn't judge all balance based on the console versions in future.

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2010-04-22 14:23:08

#4

FloppY_: +1,010|6564|Denmark aka Automotive Hell

Oh lawds... please tell me that is running x2 speed

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2010-04-22 14:40:30

#5

Sisco: grandmaster league revivalist; +493|6622

Well, the mouse fix in described in the tips thread does help quite a lot, but its somehow still far aways from that

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2010-04-22 14:56:01

#6

mooneyno1: Carl Gustav <3333; +16|6241|Sheffield

lmao it's so fast it looks like it's been edited to look like that.

awesome song though.

2010-04-22 15:02:46

#7

Ilocano: buuuurrrrrrppppp.......; +341|6945

Yup, confirmed on the 360. And yes, the Apache is that fast and agile on the 360.

Last edited by Ilocano (2010-04-22 15:03:50)

2010-04-22 15:07:48

#8

TopHat01: Limitless; +117|6183|CA

Ilocano wrote:
Yup, confirmed on the 360. And yes, the Apache is that fast and agile on the 360.

Same with PS3, aiming a tracer dart at an Apache going that fast was nearly impossible, too....

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2010-04-22 15:08:32

#9

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5636|London, England

Spidery_Yoda wrote:
The reason is simple: DICE are giving us balance changes based on console gameplay, and the console versions have an entirely different flight model to the slow, sluggish PC flight model. Helicopters are fast, can circle strafe extremely quickly, and look a hell of a lot of fun.

Observe:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehLJBD4i74g

So yes. That's why the tracer dart is now extremely fast and makes taking out helicopters the easiest thing in the game, why the heli guns do no damage and the AA guns are now even more powerful then they already were. Because on the PS3 version the helicopter moves quickly.

Hopefully DICE will quickly realise their stupidity (long shot) and either give us that quick, responsive flight model, or revert the completely unneeded changes.

Maybe they shouldn't judge all balance based on the console versions in future.

Oooooh, circle strafing, I remember when that was possible... :sad:

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2010-04-22 15:21:28

#10

Ilocano: buuuurrrrrrppppp.......; +341|6945

TopHat01 wrote:
Ilocano wrote:
Yup, confirmed on the 360. And yes, the Apache is that fast and agile on the 360.
Same with PS3, aiming a tracer dart at an Apache going that fast was nearly impossible, too....

On that video, I could tag that sucker when he's flying low (hardcore so that they can't spot you). It's the ones that go fast and keep high that are near impossible to tag.

2010-04-22 15:54:40

#11

steelie34: pub hero!; +603|6660|the land of bourbon

i dont know why they didnt keep the bf2 heli physics. they felt so good, it was an extension of my hand to fly them.

https://bf3s.com/sigs/36e1d9e36ae924048a933db90fb05bb247fe315e.png

2010-04-22 15:57:08

#12

FloppY_: +1,010|6564|Denmark aka Automotive Hell

steelie34 wrote:
i dont know why they didnt keep the bf2 heli physics. they felt so good, it was an extension of my hand to fly them.

Pfft... I prefer BC2.. Helicopters feel like they are actually suspended by their rotor and not some string between the top of the copter to the sun....

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2010-04-22 16:07:02

#13

_j5689_: Dreads & Bergers; +364|6995|Riva, MD

Spidery_Yoda wrote:
Maybe they shouldn't judge all balance based on the console versions in future.

And that is why there needs to be a BF3, that and jets

Edit: And that vid makes it look fun, I have yet to fly a helo in BC2 yet

Last edited by _j5689_ (2010-04-22 16:10:49)

2010-04-22 16:18:52

#14

GC_PaNzerFIN: Work and study @ Technical Uni; +528|6693|Finland

First I thought this was bs, fast and agile choppers in BC2... but yeah why the hell does console version have that much different (better) choppers anyway?

Always thought the PC version choppers are like flying trains and some odd way limited in their movement...

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2010-04-22 16:28:30

#15

Trotskygrad: бля; +354|6278|Vortex Ring State

FloppY_ wrote:
steelie34 wrote:
i dont know why they didnt keep the bf2 heli physics. they felt so good, it was an extension of my hand to fly them.
Pfft... I prefer BC2.. Helicopters feel like they are actually suspended by their rotor and not some string between the top of the copter to the sun....

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT.

2010-04-22 16:40:28

#16

TheEternalPessimist: Wibble; +412|6898|Mhz

FloppY_ wrote:
steelie34 wrote:
i dont know why they didnt keep the bf2 heli physics. they felt so good, it was an extension of my hand to fly them.
Pfft... I prefer BC2.. Helicopters feel like they are actually suspended by their rotor and not some string between the top of the copter to the sun....

So the fact that they actually auto correct their level constantly doesn't piss you off? They're the ones suspended from a string, you can press nothing while in a turn and it'll happily rescue you and level you out, even more hilarious is the fact you can survive a certain death crash by simply bailing out, 7/10 times it'll land itself and you can just hop back in and fly off.

2010-04-22 16:45:45

#17

GC_PaNzerFIN: Work and study @ Technical Uni; +528|6693|Finland

TheEternalPessimist wrote:
So the fact that they actually auto correct their level constantly doesn't piss you off? They're the ones suspended from a string, you can press nothing while in a turn and it'll happily rescue you and level you out, even more hilarious is the fact you can survive a certain death crash by simply bailing out, 7/10 times it'll land itself and you can just hop back in and fly off.

Haha yeah hop out of BW and it drops in the middle of enemies that take it for themselves although the chopper crashes from as high as you can fly it.

Need to shoot it yourself with something to prevent that...

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2010-04-22 16:52:47

#18

steelie34: pub hero!; +603|6660|the land of bourbon

FloppY_ wrote:
steelie34 wrote:
i dont know why they didnt keep the bf2 heli physics. they felt so good, it was an extension of my hand to fly them.
Pfft... I prefer BC2.. Helicopters feel like they are actually suspended by their rotor and not some string between the top of the copter to the sun....

crazy talk man. i wasted 600 hours of my life in bf2 helis, and they flew the way they have in every heli flight sim i've played. bc2 heli's are just garbage.

2010-04-23 00:06:02

#19

RDMC: Enemy Wheelbarrow Spotted..!!; +736|6843|Area 51

That's it. Imma buying the game for my PS3

Oh wait..

Ah well vid did bring back memories of BF2 rape

Last edited by RDMC (2010-04-23 00:11:18)

2010-04-23 01:20:28

#20

FloppY_: +1,010|6564|Denmark aka Automotive Hell

TheEternalPessimist wrote:
FloppY_ wrote:
steelie34 wrote:
i dont know why they didnt keep the bf2 heli physics. they felt so good, it was an extension of my hand to fly them.
Pfft... I prefer BC2.. Helicopters feel like they are actually suspended by their rotor and not some string between the top of the copter to the sun....
So the fact that they actually auto correct their level constantly doesn't piss you off? They're the ones suspended from a string, you can press nothing while in a turn and it'll happily rescue you and level you out, even more hilarious is the fact you can survive a certain death crash by simply bailing out, 7/10 times it'll land itself and you can just hop back in and fly off.

Are we playing the same game?

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2010-04-23 01:41:07

#21

theDude5B: Cool member; +804|7029

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2010-04-23 01:57:52

#22

Jaekus: I'm the matchstick that you'll never lose; +957|5457|Sydney

FatherTed wrote:
Spidery_Yoda wrote:
The reason is simple: DICE are giving us balance changes based on console gameplay, and the console versions have an entirely different flight model to the slow, sluggish PC flight model. Helicopters are fast, can circle strafe extremely quickly, and look a hell of a lot of fun.

Observe:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehLJBD4i74g

So yes. That's why the tracer dart is now extremely fast and makes taking out helicopters the easiest thing in the game, why the heli guns do no damage and the AA guns are now even more powerful then they already were. Because on the PS3 version the helicopter moves quickly.

Hopefully DICE will quickly realise their stupidity (long shot) and either give us that quick, responsive flight model, or revert the completely unneeded changes.

Maybe they shouldn't judge all balance based on the console versions in future.
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2010-04-23 01:59:54

#23

-Sh1fty-: plundering yee booty; +510|5752|Ventura, California

Does anybody else miss circle strafing so much in BF2? That was just so much fun. DAMN IT! I want to be in 2005 again!

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2010-04-23 05:34:03

#24

steelie34: pub hero!; +603|6660|the land of bourbon

-Sh1fty- wrote:
Does anybody else miss circle strafing so much in BF2? That was just so much fun. DAMN IT! I want to be in 2005 again!

i still dream about circle strafing the carrier deck on gator with the hind. i could do that shit with my eyes closed.

2010-04-23 05:34:20

#25

mooneyno1: Carl Gustav <3333; +16|6241|Sheffield

Almost forgot. That video needs more Benny hill.

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Ilocano wrote:

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TopHat01 wrote:

Ilocano wrote:

steelie34 wrote:

Spidery_Yoda wrote:

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TheEternalPessimist wrote:

FloppY_ wrote:

steelie34 wrote:

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FloppY_ wrote:

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FatherTed wrote:

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