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2010-04-22 19:42:52
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6819|Global Command
Profits are up.

Sales are flat.

For example, two months ago I purchased 4x8 sheets of osb particle board. I use this stuff to make wood crates to pack stuff I make that people buy from my website. 2 months ago it cost $6.50 a sheet.

Now it has more than doubled.

Oil edges towards $90.00 a barrel. Fresh vegetables have fone up by half.
Aluminum and copper costs are up; my industry. There is no demand to justify the increases.

Word from other small business guys is that they hear that the big guns have simply decided to charge more because they can, and must to maintain their lifestyles.

Add a european style VAT and cap trade and mandatory healthcare cost for all and you have a complete lack of disposable income. This will crush tax revenues leading to a collapse of services.

Then the stage is set for a NWO.





This is all by design.
2010-04-22 19:45:28
Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
+2,006|5648|London, England
Umm... wood prices are up because forestry has been pretty much killed off by the lack of home building, you do know that particle board is made from saw dust and other byproducts yes? If they aren't cutting 2x4s for homes, there's no sawdust.

Aluminum and copper cost a lot because of Chinese demand and oil has been pretty steady around $85 for a good six months now.

Good try though.

Last edited by JohnG@lt (2010-04-22 19:46:22)

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
2010-04-22 19:51:46
Flaming_Maniac
prince of insufficient light
+2,490|6997|67.222.138.85

ATG wrote:

There is no demand to justify the increases.
And there has to be because...?

Gee, maybe times are tough so factories are closed, companies can't afford overtime, cost of materials rose? In short supply fell?

Your ignorance makes economists cry.






also:

ATG wrote:

This is all by design.
k, proof please. Occam's Razor is also crying.




also jesus slippery slope more
2010-04-22 19:56:02
CC-Marley
Member
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You voted for him, no?
2010-04-22 20:06:27
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6819|Global Command
You idiots are proving my point. There is no demand too justify the price increases. You should read the op again, read your own sorrry excuses for posts and if yo don't kill yourslef from shame consider learning to read.

Just because the timber industry took a shit ( no demand ) means they are gonna up the cost of supply?

Must I use finger paints?
2010-04-22 20:07:19
13/f/taiwan
Member
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Wow, that was fast Flaming. AWM and deletion of post within 30 seconds. Do you sit on the fourms looking for someone to make the slightest infraction so you can jump on and get your mod points up?

In-case you are uninformed, ATG has stated before that he does troll with most of his DST post. I know it must feel terrible for you to realize this; Seeing as how you can come up with the most pointless and longest DST post out of anyone on this forum.
2010-04-22 20:08:33
Trotskygrad
бля
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Flaming_Maniac wrote:

ATG wrote:

There is no demand to justify the increases.
And there has to be because...?

Gee, maybe times are tough so factories are closed, companies can't afford overtime, cost of materials rose? In short supply fell?

Your ignorance makes economists cry.






also:

ATG wrote:

This is all by design.
k, proof please. Occam's Razor is also crying.




also jesus slippery slope more
FM just has to do quote-breakdown critique when he enters D/ST, I see.

and if tax revenues start going down, services will be cut reasonably (healthcare and infrastructure will probs go first). There will be no apocalyptic collapse like you say.
2010-04-22 20:12:17
Flaming_Maniac
prince of insufficient light
+2,490|6997|67.222.138.85

ATG wrote:

You idiots are proving my point. There is no demand too justify the price increases. You should read the op again, read your own sorrry excuses for posts and if yo don't kill yourslef from shame consider learning to read.

Just because the timber industry took a shit ( no demand ) means they are gonna up the cost of supply?

Must I use finger paints?
Are you unable to comprehend a change in supply changing price levels?
2010-04-22 20:18:37
13urnzz
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Flaming_Maniac wrote:

Are you unable to comprehend a change in supply changing price levels?
i am. the last time they jacked the prices to $140 a bbl., it broke the economies back and exposed the shenanigans going on in the housing market. supply wasn't so extreme that they needed to, the price went up in a futures grab.

ATG is a troll. the best kind, he is refined enough to kick you in the ass, and make you think.
2010-04-22 20:21:14
Flaming_Maniac
prince of insufficient light
+2,490|6997|67.222.138.85

burnzz wrote:

the price went up in a futures grab.
Then demand changed didn't it?

seriously.
2010-04-22 20:26:35
13urnzz
Banned
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Flaming_Maniac wrote:

burnzz wrote:

the price went up in a futures grab.
Then demand changed didn't it?

seriously.
fuck yes it did, it was manipulated. it was almost laughable, something out of an Eddie Murphy/Dan Akroyd movie. except the real world consequences were heating oil futures through the roof, price @ the pump almost quadrupled, and budgets across America were wrecked.

there are so many sectors that have become interdependant, that you can't have a money grab in one and not affect the others . . .
2010-04-22 20:26:59
Diesel_dyk
Object in mirror will feel larger than it appears
+178|6285|Truthistan
Economics 101

Gee I thought a market was suppose to work with demand, where if demand decreases then prices drop, and if demand increases then prices increase, and as prices increase it induces others to begin production and so prices decrease....



Then comes supply side economics and let's face it supply side economics is a dirty word for price fixing.

ATG is right on the retail prices did not come down during the recession even though demand in the market tanked. I tried to buy some steel over the past year waiting for the price to drop, scrap steel prices went so low that some places almost went out of business, but retail rolled steel never dropped. I finally paid their price because now the stock market (not the real market) says that there is a recovery and the retail price of steel was set to jump 12% last week. IT never drops because the steel mills refused to sell it at a lower price... it had nothing to do with supply, it was price fixing pure and simple.

So FM, I understand your voodoo economic crap, but it doesn't touch on reality.... supply side = price fixing... the Chicago school needs to burnt to the ground.
2010-04-22 20:31:39
Flaming_Maniac
prince of insufficient light
+2,490|6997|67.222.138.85

burnzz wrote:

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

burnzz wrote:

the price went up in a futures grab.
Then demand changed didn't it?

seriously.
fuck yes it did, it was manipulated. it was almost laughable, something out of an Eddie Murphy/Dan Akroyd movie. except the real world consequences were heating oil futures through the roof, price @ the pump almost quadrupled, and budgets across America were wrecked.

there are so many sectors that have become interdependant, that you can't have a money grab in one and not affect the others . . .
What, so blame the company producing it? They see a spike in demand, they react to it.

The ones to blame are the ones "investing" in bullshit, gambling with the economy. Of course it's much better to blame the big bad corporation, because the gamblers are people like you or me. Can't be my fault eh?

Diesel_dyk wrote:

So FM, I understand your voodoo economic crap, but it doesn't touch on reality.... supply side = price fixing... the Chicago school needs to burnt to the ground.
What I was talking about has nothing to do with supply side economics. One is the simple law of supply and demand, the other is a government economic policy.

Clearly you haven't taken Economics 101.
2010-04-22 20:38:04
13urnzz
Banned
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Flaming_Maniac wrote:

Clearly you haven't taken Eceonomics 101.
i have. econ 101, and 102.

before the toxic bank practices came to light, we had the oil industry assess and attack the American economy in a classic profit grab - there was no "demand spike" for gas and oil, the price increase was engineered in the boardrooms of 'Big Oil' (i knew you'd like that . they had anticipated a glut ahead of Iraq oil finally coming to market and decided to make hay while the sun was out. they couldn't know the financial sector and the housing sector were arm-in-arm doing the same thing.

today's economy is worldwide and interdependent - you cannot simply look at say 'housing' and base trends from one sector. in the past twenty years economists have taken to terms like 'indicators' because the economy has grown complex, worldwide, and broad.

Last edited by burnzz (2010-04-22 20:42:08)

2010-04-22 20:43:53
Flaming_Maniac
prince of insufficient light
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burnzz wrote:

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

Clearly you haven't taken Eceonomics 101.
i have. econ 101, and 102.

before the toxic bank practices came to light, we had the oil industry assess and attack the American economy in a classic profit grab - there was no "demand spike" for gas and oil, the price increase was engineered in the boardrooms of 'Big Oil' (i knew you'd like that . they had anticipated a glut ahead of Iraq oil finally coming to market and decided to make hay while the sun was out. they couldn't know the financial sector and the housing sector were arm-in-arm doing the same thing.

today's economy is worldwide and interdependent - you cannot simply look at say 'housing' and base trends from one sector. in the past twenty years economists have taken to terms like 'indicators' because the economy has grown complex, worldwide, and broad.
...or we can go with what you said before, which actually happened, that the prices went up in a futures grab. Or the conspiracy theory. Either one really.
2010-04-22 20:49:05
ATG
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13/f/taiwan wrote:

Do you sit on the fourms looking for someone to make the slightest infraction so you can jump on and get your mod points up?

In-case you are uninformed, ATG has stated before that he does troll with most of his DST post.
First of all, it's posts, plural. Second of all no mod looks at the mod stats with anything much more than chagrin. There is no there there. The mod stats are as much a wall of shame as anything, so stfu.


Second, I never said all or most of my posts are trolls.

Just the ones where little bitches like certain former 7th Cav guys say they are going to run to the fbi about.


I pretty much stand by anything I have posted in dst, and you can quote me on that.
2010-04-22 20:49:42
13urnzz
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Flaming_Maniac wrote:

...or we can go with what you said before, which actually happened, that the prices went up in a futures grab. Or the conspiracy theory. Either one really.
goddamit the futures market is where the grab started, being the easiest to manipulate. it sets in motion a trend where the 'demand spike' can be touted on cnbc "oh looky here we have a spike in oil futures" and there is where the leverage is applied - a press release from exxon saying their gulf coast refinery is under repair, standard oil claiming delivery to independant distributors will be held up and a diversion of crude needed to make synthetics was missed to allow the actual demand to increase.

Do a Research n00b
2010-04-22 20:52:33
Flaming_Maniac
prince of insufficient light
+2,490|6997|67.222.138.85
Again, Occam's Razor is displeased.
2010-04-22 20:56:04
13urnzz
Banned
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here's my last econ supply/demand argument -

i'm out of beer. i'm going for another beer.

America will be fine if we keep doing the 401(keg) plan

 

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