might wanna take a walk through the history books. Cold war ring a bell?Mekstizzle wrote:
That's just the mentality of Americans to think like that, when really it's not the case. Unwarranted self importance.lowing wrote:
Of course, when the US does not step in the EU is the first to stand up and bitch about what the US hasn't done.
because if you read thats exactly what people say.....Mekstizzle wrote:
What's that got to do with people complaining about the US not "stepping in" and "taking care of things" around the world, lowing thinks that loads of European countries criticise the US for globetrotting but then complain when they don't, or something. I've found out that alot of Americans think like that...
you just cant see the forest from the trees
fistMekstizzle wrote:
You don't even read or understand my post before getting all huffy and telling people to get fucked, you don't even know what you're talking about.
Yeah well.. that's another thing, it's not the cold war anymore. I don't know why Americans are so hell bent on convincing people that Iran is going to bomb Europe, I can understand the threat of the USSR during those days, but Iran?
Iraq was fooling people once
Iraq was fooling people once
Yugoslavia war lel.
euros wanted obama. here you go. got what you wanted. deal with it.Mekstizzle wrote:
Yeah well.. that's another thing, it's not the cold war anymore. I don't know why Americans are so hell bent on convincing people that Iran is going to bomb Europe, I can understand the threat of the USSR during those days, but Iran?
Iraq was fooling people once
What's that got to do with anything, all this topic is about is people saying what should or shouldn't be done to Iran. I don't even know what Obama is doing towards Iran but so far it's not much anyway
that has to do 100% with this topic.....or at least the direction of it...or typical direction.Mekstizzle wrote:
What's that got to do with anything, all this topic is about is people saying what should or shouldn't be done to Iran. I don't even know what Obama is doing towards Iran but so far it's not much anyway
Last edited by 11 Bravo (2010-04-22 05:20:21)
I was just responding to lowing anyway and then all of a sudden people bring up Obama and shit and how Europe wanted Obama and... ok then?
kMekstizzle wrote:
I was just responding to lowing anyway and then all of a sudden people bring up Obama and shit and how Europe wanted Obama and... ok then?
Dilbert_X wrote:
Lets treat them the same as Israel.
lol, ok well like I said, my comments are based on history, not the future. So what I said ca nnot really be denied. EU behavior and attitude toward US involvment is and has been exactly as I described.Mekstizzle wrote:
Yeah well.. that's another thing, it's not the cold war anymore. I don't know why Americans are so hell bent on convincing people that Iran is going to bomb Europe, I can understand the threat of the USSR during those days, but Iran?
Iraq was fooling people once
I'd say Afghanistan, Iraq (both times) and now Iran are all US-led rather than EU bringing the US into those conflicts. Yugoslavia, the US more or less brought itself in. As for the Cold War/post-WW2, I'll give you that. More likely than not, European countries were begging the US because they were shit scared about the commies.lowing wrote:
lol, ok well like I said, my comments are based on history, not the future. So what I said ca nnot really be denied. EU behavior and attitude toward US involvment is and has been exactly as I described.Mekstizzle wrote:
Yeah well.. that's another thing, it's not the cold war anymore. I don't know why Americans are so hell bent on convincing people that Iran is going to bomb Europe, I can understand the threat of the USSR during those days, but Iran?
Iraq was fooling people once
Outside of the cold war, things changed.
I still don't see the threat of Iran nuking European countries. People think that European/Iranian relations are the same as Israel/USA and Iranian relations. I even can't see Iran doing anything bad towards Israel either, let alone Europe.
Well then I guess we will just wait and see what the EU attitude does the second it is threatened....any bets on whether they will want to deal with it themselves?Mekstizzle wrote:
I'd say Afghanistan, Iraq (both times) and now Iran are all US-led rather than EU bringing the US into those conflicts. Yugoslavia, the US more or less brought itself in. As for the Cold War/post-WW2, I'll give you that. More likely than not, European countries were begging the US because they were shit scared about the commies.lowing wrote:
lol, ok well like I said, my comments are based on history, not the future. So what I said ca nnot really be denied. EU behavior and attitude toward US involvment is and has been exactly as I described.Mekstizzle wrote:
Yeah well.. that's another thing, it's not the cold war anymore. I don't know why Americans are so hell bent on convincing people that Iran is going to bomb Europe, I can understand the threat of the USSR during those days, but Iran?
Iraq was fooling people once
Outside of the cold war, things changed.
I still don't see the threat of Iran nuking European countries. People think that European/Iranian relations are the same as Israel/USA and Iranian relations. I even can't see Iran doing anything bad towards Israel either, let alone Europe.
For that to happen the EU will first have to be threatened. Hypothetically, if Iran were to make concrete threats to Europe, the US would jump right in anyway. Whether Europe wanted it or not (my opinion would be, it would be a case of not crying for the US, but not exactly telling the US to fuck off either)
The US itself wouldn't afford to slip up its world status by not getting involved in something like that. Unless something big happened to the US and they really wouldn't be able to jump in.
The modern world is different to that of WW2, or post-WW2/Cold War
The US itself wouldn't afford to slip up its world status by not getting involved in something like that. Unless something big happened to the US and they really wouldn't be able to jump in.
The modern world is different to that of WW2, or post-WW2/Cold War
Last edited by Mekstizzle (2010-04-22 05:55:46)
Why do you talk in plural form when your post was addressed to ruisleipa only?11 Bravo wrote:
or fuck how aboot like the majority of the finland goofballs here? how many threads do they make aboot finland versus the US? get fucked mok.
main battle tank karthus medikopter 117 megamegapowershot gg
There is nothing to 'handle', any more than there was when India or Pakistan developed nuclear weapons.lowing wrote:
Maybe not, the EU, as usual, will just the US handle it. Like everything else, then bitch about it. Of course, when the US does not step in the EU is the first to stand up and bitch about what the US hasn't done.
Iran is simply not a problem for the EU, its a problem for the US created by the US.
Fuck Israel
no it is not, history has set the track record of EU attitude. ( we agree on this)Mekstizzle wrote:
For that to happen the EU will first have to be threatened. Hypothetically, if Iran were to make concrete threats to Europe, the US would jump right in anyway. Whether Europe wanted it or not (my opinion would be, it would be a case of not crying for the US, but not exactly telling the US to fuck off either)
The US itself wouldn't afford to slip up its world status by not getting involved in something like that. Unless something big happened to the US and they really wouldn't be able to jump in.
The modern world is different to that of WW2, or post-WW2/Cold War
The second something happens in Europe, ( again) the EU will be screaming for US intervention, uhhhh just like history has shown.
Indeed.The modern world is different to that of WW2, or post-WW2/Cold War
Times change, and not to consider the effects of such changes is foolish in the extreme.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
history repeats itself....Spark wrote:
Indeed.The modern world is different to that of WW2, or post-WW2/Cold War
Times change, and not to consider the effects of such changes is foolish in the extreme.
it does under certain conditions. the smart thing thing to do is look at the situation and analyse and see if it actually will.11 Bravo wrote:
history repeats itself....Spark wrote:
Indeed.The modern world is different to that of WW2, or post-WW2/Cold War
Times change, and not to consider the effects of such changes is foolish in the extreme.
not just to blindly and lazily say "well, it'll happen the same way"
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
Nothing has happened to suggest that the EU is willing to go it alone, or even really try, in any "real, everything on the line" action.Spark wrote:
Indeed.The modern world is different to that of WW2, or post-WW2/Cold War
Times change, and not to consider the effects of such changes is foolish in the extreme.
EU doesn't need to do anything, there's nothing to 'go it alone' on.
Fuck Israel
<3 you DUnlimited.DUnlimited wrote:
Why do you talk in plural form when your post was addressed to ruisleipa only?11 Bravo wrote:
or fuck how aboot like the majority of the finland goofballs here? how many threads do they make aboot finland versus the US? get fucked mok.
and and I agree w/Dilbert
Nope, they wait until it is too late then beg for help. This is where history comes in.Dilbert_X wrote:
EU doesn't need to do anything, there's nothing to 'go it alone' on.
You will wait until Iran grows big enough balls to make a move, then you will scramble and beg for help instead of dealing with th situation while it can be dealt with
i'm pretty sure if europe gets invaded then there will be very strong resistance...lowing wrote:
Nothing has happened to suggest that the EU is willing to go it alone, or even really try, in any "real, everything on the line" action.Spark wrote:
Indeed.The modern world is different to that of WW2, or post-WW2/Cold War
Times change, and not to consider the effects of such changes is foolish in the extreme.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman