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Isn't it true though that a lot of Canadians own rifles?  Is the anti-gun sentiment strictly towards handguns?

Turquoise wrote:

Isn't it true though that a lot of Canadians own rifles?  Is the anti-gun sentiment strictly towards handguns?

Maybe in more rural areas.  I dont know a single person who owns one.

So, essentially, urban Canadians view guns in sort of the same way that a lot of Europeans do.

Granted, there does seem to be a divide in the view of guns in America between urban citizens and rural ones as well -- although the divide here would appear to be more extreme.

JohnG@lt wrote:

Winston_Churchill wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Isn't it true though that a lot of Canadians own rifles?  Is the anti-gun sentiment strictly towards handguns?

Maybe in more rural areas.  I dont know a single person who owns one.

But but but Michael Moore taught us that every Canadian has an arsenal in his home and yet doesn't have issues with crime.

Well, the funny thing about that is....  It sounds like less guns really do equal less crime -- a point most would consider liberal, yet the liberal Moore didn't point it out....

JohnG@lt wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

But but but Michael Moore taught us that every Canadian has an arsenal in his home and yet doesn't have issues with crime.

Well, the funny thing about that is....  It sounds like less guns really do equal less crime -- a point most would consider liberal, yet the liberal Moore didn't point it out....

I don't remember the exact number but I seem to recall him saying that there are 30 million people living in Canada and something like 300 million guns.

http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/fact … ex-eng.htm

This says 7.5 million registered guns with 1.8 licensed people.

Winston_Churchill wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Well, the funny thing about that is....  It sounds like less guns really do equal less crime -- a point most would consider liberal, yet the liberal Moore didn't point it out....

I don't remember the exact number but I seem to recall him saying that there are 30 million people living in Canada and something like 300 million guns.

http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/fact … ex-eng.htm

This says 7.5 million registered guns with 1.8 licensed people.

lels

using ANYTHING from that giant sack of shit registry is silly at best

Turquoise wrote:

So, essentially, urban Canadians view guns in sort of the same way that a lot of Europeans do.

if by that you mean most city people would jump up on a chair screaming while holding their skirt up? yes, yes they do

Winston_Churchill wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Isn't it true though that a lot of Canadians own rifles?  Is the anti-gun sentiment strictly towards handguns?

Maybe in more rural areas.  I dont know a single person who owns one.

you also live in bantario, being seen in your home cleaning a shotgun can result in the swat team kicking your door in

although there is a widespread hatred of handguns due to people instantly associating them with crime.   thanks tv, news, and movies, appreciate it

Turquoise wrote:

Well, the funny thing about that is....  It sounds like less guns really do equal less crime -- a point most would consider liberal, yet the liberal Moore didn't point it out....

we had low crime to begin with.... which has been declining at the same rate since before the ban happy crowd started signing laws

although our assaults/rapes have skyrocketed since the bans

Turquoise wrote:

For those of you here that are Canadian, how do the laws work regarding handguns?  Do they differ by city/province?

Also, how do you think Toronto will handle the continuing problem of illegal guns coming from America?

to the second part... that depends if they get rid of their current mayor


as for the first bit

step 1: take non restricted/restricted course
step 2: fill out forms (this includes the references and background check etc.) and send them into the RCMP
step 3: wait for the licence to get to you (this is the most fun part!)
step 4: join a club, because you're not allowed to shoot in a gravel pit with the evil restricted rifles/handguns
step 5: call the CFC and ask them for permission to allow you to take your restricted rifle/handgun to the club you already belong to
step 6: go shooting
step 7: pray nobody ever picks a fight/argument/doesnt like you in general... because you're one phone call away from having your shit seized and a 10 year ban on owning firearms

thats all i can think of right now as i'm a little tired... don't think i missed anything important


things are a little more strict in Ontario and getting stupidly so in Quebec... since in Quebec you can't go shooting alone

Winston_Churchill wrote:

Toronto is continually getting better.  The police are doing a good job with it, the worst area of Toronto (Jane & Finch) they just built a huge police station.  Its really helped crime go down from what I remember.  Toronto is actually a really safe place as long as you dont go to one or two neighbourhoods alone at night.  90% of it is perfectly safe.

well it's about time they figured out that more police = less crime

and not more laws = less crime >.<

i use "project safe city" as an example

the vast majority (nearly all) of the "illegal guns" they seized were old hunting rifles and shotguns that were taken from the elderly after their licences lapsed



anyway, thats enough ranting for tonight... i need sleep

krazed wrote:

our assaults/rapes have skyrocketed since the bans

Eh...  that's disturbing....

krazed wrote:

to the second part... that depends if they get rid of their current mayor


as for the first bit

step 1: take non restricted/restricted course
step 2: fill out forms (this includes the references and background check etc.) and send them into the RCMP
step 3: wait for the licence to get to you (this is the most fun part!)
step 4: join a club, because you're not allowed to shoot in a gravel pit with the evil restricted rifles/handguns
step 5: call the CFC and ask them for permission to allow you to take your restricted rifle/handgun to the club you already belong to
step 6: go shooting
step 7: pray nobody ever picks a fight/argument/doesnt like you in general... because you're one phone call away from having your shit seized and a 10 year ban on owning firearms

thats all i can think of right now as i'm a little tired... don't think i missed anything important


things are a little more strict in Ontario and getting stupidly so in Quebec... since in Quebec you can't go shooting alone

Winston_Churchill wrote:

Toronto is continually getting better.  The police are doing a good job with it, the worst area of Toronto (Jane & Finch) they just built a huge police station.  Its really helped crime go down from what I remember.  Toronto is actually a really safe place as long as you dont go to one or two neighbourhoods alone at night.  90% of it is perfectly safe.

well it's about time they figured out that more police = less crime

and not more laws = less crime >.<

i use "project safe city" as an example

the vast majority (nearly all) of the "illegal guns" they seized were old hunting rifles and shotguns that were taken from the elderly after their licences lapsed



anyway, thats enough ranting for tonight... i need sleep

So, in general, Canada is a bit gun-phobic -- at least in the urban areas.

Turquoise wrote:

So, in general, Canada is a bit gun-phobic -- at least in the urban areas.

it is now, yes

ruisleipa wrote:

krazed wrote:

although our assaults/rapes have skyrocketed since the bans

really? got figures for that? do you think that is specifically because of the ban? like before, everyone was carrying?

also our home invasions (both unoccupied and occupied) blew through the roof and are STILL climbing

it's not that everyone was carrying, it's just that now everything is so hidden out of sight and hush hush... a lot of people don't even know you can still legally own guns in Canada

and if you DO have one, you sure as hell can't use it to defend yourself from an attacker... unless you like to get sent to prison while the person who attacked you goes free, and the sues you


they're on the stats Canada site somewhere if you can find them in that disorganised (fuck you firefox, im not using z :mad: ) mess


it's a combination of criminals having no fear of civilians, police, or prison


i honestly don't expect to change your mind on this rus, and this seems to be the only thing we really disagree on

Last edited by krazed (2010-04-09 10:06:15)

holy shit balls quotes, lets see if i can keep this from getting all fucked up


there aren't any precise numbers due to the mass refusal to comply with the firearms registry, we only have rough estimates based off of imports

Winston_Churchill wrote:

krazed wrote:

Winston_Churchill wrote:

http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/facts-faits/index-eng.htm

This says 7.5 million registered guns with 1.8 licensed people.

lels

using ANYTHING from that giant sack of shit registry is silly at best

Provide me with numbers then.  I highly doubt there are anywhere close to 300 million guns in Canada.

there aren't any precise numbers due to the mass refusal to comply with the firearms registry, we only have rough estimates based off of imports prior to the implementation of the registry

Winston_Churchill wrote:

krazed wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Well, the funny thing about that is....  It sounds like less guns really do equal less crime -- a point most would consider liberal, yet the liberal Moore didn't point it out....

we had low crime to begin with.... which has been declining at the same rate since before the ban happy crowd started signing laws

although our assaults/rapes have skyrocketed since the bans

Again, I doubt this.  Proof?

lol proof... there is no proof to say anything in either way, just how you interpret the stats... and after certain crimes increase as something is banned, to me that links them

and to other people a continuing decline in murders marks a correlation with a ban that happened in the middle of the decline

all of the info i use has been gained from stats canada and RCMP reports

which if you really want i CAN dig them up but it will take awhile to gather them together

Winston_Churchill wrote:

krazed wrote:

Winston_Churchill wrote:

Maybe in more rural areas.  I dont know a single person who owns one.

you also live in bantario, being seen in your home cleaning a shotgun can result in the swat team kicking your door in

although there is a widespread hatred of handguns due to people instantly associating them with crime.   thanks tv, news, and movies, appreciate it

Riiight.  Where do you live? Rural Canada?  And yes, thats a pretty fair assumption.  If I saw a guy walking down the street with a pistol I'd stay far, far away.  I'd be willing to be the primary use of guns in Canada is for crime.

well seeing as that's illegal, i probably would to... but then i usually stay away from people doing illegal things anyway

i live in saint john, new brunswick, if thats rural to you?

you would be both stupid and wrong to say the primary use of guns in Canada is for crime

Winston_Churchill wrote:

krazed wrote:

Winston_Churchill wrote:

Toronto is continually getting better.  The police are doing a good job with it, the worst area of Toronto (Jane & Finch) they just built a huge police station.  Its really helped crime go down from what I remember.  Toronto is actually a really safe place as long as you dont go to one or two neighbourhoods alone at night.  90% of it is perfectly safe.

well it's about time they figured out that more police = less crime

and not more laws = less crime >.<

You need proper, updated laws to keep up with crime though.

yes, updated laws... not new laws stacked on old laws stacked on old laws stacked on old laws