mafia996630 wrote:
On your other point, is it so wrong to consider minimizing casualties ? while ruisleipa might seem idealist, his way of thinking is what will win "hearts & minds", however its too late for that now.
Yeah, "considering" casualties sounds all fair and good after you've had time to sit down, relax and watch the video 10 times. They don't have time to have a philosophical debate on what they are doing. They have to go with the best educated choice they can make and pray it was a good one.
One thing this thread has shown me is that most of you lily licking pussies have never had to make a hard decision on the spot in your entire lives outside of "how should I do my hair today" or "I wonder if Sally Slutstein wants me to slip my finger in her bloody hatchet wound or not."
ruisleipa doesn't sound idealistic at all to me, he sounds like someone who doesn't have the slightest damn clue what he's talking about. You win hearts and minds through aid, helping the citizens, building hospitals and schools, rebuilding the economy,
policing the country from thugs with automatic rifles and rocket propelled grenades walking down the street at 2 in the afternoon, and assholes that blow up cargo vans in crowded market places. You do not win hearts and minds by just "letting everyone go because you are not 110% sure the guy that looks like he is holding an RPG, is in fact, holding an RPG.
How would you feel about the pilot if he said, "oh well, can't be sure, I'll let him go" and then the guy proceeded to shoot a fucking rocket through a school window? You'd be calling the pilot a piece of shit, not much differently than how all of your friends have been calling that gunner a piece of shit in this thread so far.
AND THAT, is why you and your friends are a gaggle of Jerry's Kids.
EDIT:
After a smoke the ignorance of the people in this thread is still bugging me. I sort of understand you people's ignorance but none-the-less it is still ignorance, nay it goes beyond, this is sheer stupidity.
When I first watched the video I went into it knowing that several innocent people had died and been injured. I sat watching the video, hoping that the bullets would miss or there would be a message at the end saying "but they survived" but there was none. I was angry and sad. However, I understand that if I HADN'T known that innocent people were killed I would have sat and watched and said "well, that's what they get, score another victory over stupid asshole insurgents". But, unlike us, those airmen didn't have the luxury and now they are on the burner for it.
My measure of a mans intelligence is the ability to look at a situation or circumstance from more than one point of view, then to make an educated decision on were he stands on the issue and stick with it. You people are taking one view, Reuters view. The view of a company that tragically lost two employees whom to some, were like family. You fail to understand the fog of war. This is a sad story indeed, but that's what it should be. War is not meant to be happy or fun in real life, it's meant to be sad, painful and disgusting and that is exactly what this video is. It shows wars true face, a face that knows not rhyme or reason, logic or fairness, only pain, suffering and senselessness. Also, I guarantee you those cameramen went into Iraq knowing full well what could happen to them and unfortunately it did happen to them, it's no different than when a soldier takes the oath, knowing full well what could happen.
But you know what, they take those oaths anyways. That's what these cameramen should be remembered for, not that they died for no reason at all.
Last edited by Iconic Irony (2010-04-06 20:34:18)
