BF2S Forums Holy hell Dolphin Diving is insane still

I noticed shortly after the patch that dolphin diving was not fully taken away.  They have just made it harder to do.  If you have noticed, that people like that will find a way to avoid dying.  First it was bunny hopping, then dolphin diving, now it is prone whores.

What Do You Want Him To Go Stand There And Tke It Like A Man?

Am I classed as a "dolphin diver" as whenever I see an enemy I jump to the ground so I get better accuracy and it makes me harder to see/shoot?

Could the military get called "prone whores" because whenever they think they see someone they hit the floor?

I just don't get it.

They already nerfed it so you can't fire while jumping (a considerable nerf in its own right). While I understand the frusteration of bullets seemingly not hitting, minidolphin jumping and diving is still in effect, and virtually every player I've been up against that has any talent does it.

It requires you to be very fast and very accurate when you do fire. Rather then complain about it, it is better to adapt to what the system allows. The fact that a person can do all of that movement, and still slaughter your squad says that they are well accustomed to confrontational fighting and they know how to get the job done. When I get raped by someone like that, sure you feel it was cheap, but fact is, they mastered the system and kicked your ass, job well done. Do you want them to stand still while they reload or run straight away from you so you can shoot them in the back? You'd have to be a moron to get killed like that, everyone is going to take eratic movement to live while reloading. As for minijumping while fighting, it is a common tactic for honestly every player I've ever met that I respected as an infantry fighter. If you can do it, you will kill way more people, and take much less damage. When you're competing in an environment that includes tanks, apcs, hummers, choppers, planes, etc. every little bit counts as an infantry player.

To do this, and yes I do it along with just about everyone I know that can maintain a high KD ratio: you prone when you first see an enemy, this gives you increased accuracy firing, and they loose a second or so of not being able to hit you because you have just dropped to the ground. Also, BF2 shows you prone diving when you are already on the ground, so even if people fire at you, what they see isn't actually where you are. This is a huge flaw, but every player takes advantage of the initial prone regardless if they jump again or not.

Now for the bit that some people dislike but most players do: press crouch first then follow it with jump, then follow that with prone. Repeat. Press fire only when you have taken your finger off jump. With practice, and utilizing strafe at the same time, you will do mini-prone like jumps to the side while firing your weapon at intervals of touching the ground. Most enemies cannot adjust their aim fast enough to take you out, meanwhile they stand still trying to shoot you, and present you an easy target. The only tactic to combat this method, is long range grenades/noob tube/or to do it back to the person. Every infantry player that I've fought that is good at infantry combat will instantly do the exact same thing I just described. In other words, not only is it a good offence, it is a good defence and hence why people do it, and why people hate it when they can't do it. It takes a lot of skill to do it right, and virtually everyone who dislikes it can't do it properly.

I don't expect kudos for this frank discussion of what used to be bunny hopping and dolphin diving, but it is a fact of BF2 and something every person ought to learn if you want surviveability. If you want to go back to the days of the British and French lining up and taking shots at eachother you are welcome to it. Personally I love the jumping aspect, it is very dynamic. I miss the old patch - You really get whored by APCs and Tanks now and I dislike that, it is even harder to take them out now and they can rack up some pretty gross kills if they hang back instead of driving right into a flag.

Cougar wrote:

TheEvilCubivore wrote:

I just saw a guy with the Single silver rank as a medic

Complete insanity, the guy took on 6 people at once and did some INSANE dolphin diving, he left the ground by maybe 3 inches and was all over the place, it was like he was frozen in the roll over pose, constantly rolling half way and the pose resetting, faster then people can run. Only reason I killed him was with a shotgun because if he got away he would heal with the damn medic(Had no teamwork points either, an excellent medic -_-) and he complained about it, saying how I suck for using the single pump shotgun.(Go USMC and PLA!)

Im curious, why dosen't EA just make it so you can't jump with no stamina? People waste their stamina in like 10 seconds by jumping across the field.

Reduce the stamina penalty and make it so you can't jump in the red zone.

I really wish people like you would   SHUT.  THE.  FUCK.  UP.

OHHHHHHHHH NOOO, the medic killed people and he JUMPED, during various points in the engagement to "avoid" bullets coming from the enemy guns.  I'm sure if he reads this he will stand still and take it like a man next time.

It's little whiny bitches like you that make EA and DICE change the entire physics of the game to suit the best intrests of the people who don't have the skill or are just to lazy to develop the skills to adapt and overcome different tactics used by different people and instead choose to whine and cry about something they can't counter until EA gets fed up and wipes it from the engine.

Whats next?  No jumping in the red?  After that?  No jumping period?  After that?  No sprinting?  After that?  Not fully automatic rifles or exploding projectiles?

Fuck off!  Go play Civ4 or WoW, leave this game be and take your whiny bullshit somewhere else.

+1 honestly u whining fuks ruined the game and made patch 2.0 a shit heap ... it was so fast paced before 2.0 came out and made playable for pensioners ... just get over it ... the ability of a true gamer the ability to adapt (herd that somewhere here) just stfu and adapt

+1 karma for you, Zenmaster as a I have the same opinion as you.

It takes time to master the tactic of evading shots and killing the enemy at the same time.

And when you do it, you are able to kill 4 guys at the same time because they will (most of the time) stand there and try to shoot you while you keep moving and return fire.

I find it better to get killed by this way than being killed by a PKM whore, because I' ll know that this guy will be a challenge to beat.

OHNOES

hah


im still learning how, ima  decent dolphin. but not crazy. i dont play enough karkpoinland

dolphin diving is still possible everyone knows this, but the only thing its good for since you cant jump and shoot anymore is avoiding enemy tanks or bullets.  EA made it a little harder by adding the delay from when you go prone to when you can stand back up again, but if your not a complete retard you relise that you can press the crouch button (Ctrl by default) to get back up straight away again.

To do the new dolphion dive all you have to do is:

Hold the shift key for a bit of sprint (can be done with out sprint but you move alot faster with it)

Hold down the forward key (W)

Jump (Space Bar)

Prone (Z)

Crouch (Ctrl)

Then repeat

W
Space
Z
Ctrl
Space
Z
Ctrl
Space
Z
Ctrl

Its not exactly a good tatic anymore as you cant jump and shoot but it is very handy for those times when your pinned down by a enemy tank and you need a quick get away.

Also the rolling prone spam or what ever you want to call it, this doesnt really work that well from personal experince you just going to get shot in the head with DAO-12 or hit with a tank shell, but to do that al you have to do is:

Strafe to left or right, hold this key down, im going to go right here(D)

Prone (Z)

Crouch (Ctrl)

====0.5 sec delay====

Then repeat

So that would be

D
Z
Ctrl
====0.5 sec delay====
Z
Ctrl
====0.5 sec delay====
Z
Ctrl

This tactic is so easy to do and it is pretty lame and will mostly endup with either taking a ride a AT rocket or being blasted 12ft into the air by a T-90.

But yeah i hope i explained that ok and somone found it useful

Last edited by JaM3z (2006-05-02 01:46:11)

Gumby wrote:

Prone whores , sheees give me a break. next you'll want EA and DICE to work on a patch that " auto balances" the amount of players standing Vs those prone. :-)

haha, it will be that if there are too many people standing, then you automatically go prone to compensate and balance things out, then when someone else goes prone, u automatically stand up and have no control over it.

Perhaps i should look for a script and a proggie which maps a single keyboard-key to the movement-sequence mentioned above.

Cougar wrote:

TheEvilCubivore wrote:

I just saw a guy with the Single silver rank as a medic

Complete insanity, the guy took on 6 people at once and did some INSANE dolphin diving, he left the ground by maybe 3 inches and was all over the place, it was like he was frozen in the roll over pose, constantly rolling half way and the pose resetting, faster then people can run. Only reason I killed him was with a shotgun because if he got away he would heal with the damn medic(Had no teamwork points either, an excellent medic -_-) and he complained about it, saying how I suck for using the single pump shotgun.(Go USMC and PLA!)

Im curious, why dosen't EA just make it so you can't jump with no stamina? People waste their stamina in like 10 seconds by jumping across the field.

Reduce the stamina penalty and make it so you can't jump in the red zone.

I really wish people like you would   SHUT.  THE.  FUCK.  UP.

OHHHHHHHHH NOOO, the medic killed people and he JUMPED, during various points in the engagement to "avoid" bullets coming from the enemy guns.  I'm sure if he reads this he will stand still and take it like a man next time.

It's little whiny bitches like you that make EA and DICE change the entire physics of the game to suit the best intrests of the people who don't have the skill or are just to lazy to develop the skills to adapt and overcome different tactics used by different people and instead choose to whine and cry about something they can't counter until EA gets fed up and wipes it from the engine.

Whats next?  No jumping in the red?  After that?  No jumping period?  After that?  No sprinting?  After that?  Not fully automatic rifles or exploding projectiles?

Fuck off!  Go play Civ4 or WoW, leave this game be and take your whiny bullshit somewhere else.

Whine much?...but seriously, you are probably a diver/hopper

uhhh what this guy describes sounds like prone spamming to me, which i thought was gotten rid of.... but i dunno...
i might not even be contributing to this discussion but whatever.