But it's a waste of taxpayer money if they do?
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I'm guessing you meant "shouldn't be" instead of "aren't"?ghettoperson wrote:
So according to you, students aren't allowed to do whatever they want in their spare time, however ridiculous it is?
Otherwise, I'm confused as hell as to where you are going with this.
Yeah sorry, I did mean shouldn't. My point is, you somehow feel allowing students to join (admittedly retarded) clubs is a waste of taxpayers money; I don't see it.
Aside from never getting a return back on the money, it's a waste due to the fact that you (taxpayer) are paying for some kids to sit around and have a good time while they can instead either be working or taking more classes. Now before you highlight that there are other government spending which you don't get a return on, you still get some other benefits rather than making some 18-22 year old feel good about themselves.ghettoperson wrote:
Yeah sorry, I did mean shouldn't. My point is, you somehow feel allowing students to join (admittedly retarded) clubs is a waste of taxpayers money; I don't see it.
Aside from that, a student living on campus spending like 3 hours out of the day going to class and then sitting around exploring their minds and finding themselves is a complete waste of time and with it a waste of money. Most students who sleep away at schools are spending most of their screwing and getting high and drunk when instead they could be taking a higher course load and finishing quicker and cheaper or working towards higher grades.
As for actually clubs; I don't see how a Harry Potter club or league is in any way helpful or could ever help you later in life at all.
That's good in theory but ignores the fact that tenured professors set their own hours and their own class schedule. Most professors end their class day at 4 pm so they can avoid rush hour traffic. Ever notice that most classes are Mon-Thu and offered from 9-4 pm? Yeah, that's because the professors don't want to work on Fridays. It's a bullshit racket that they've gotten and the fact that they are union and tenured means there is nothing that can be done to break them and their six figure salaries. Easiest, highest paying job in the country is college professor.Marlo Stanfield wrote:
Aside from never getting a return back on the money, it's a waste due to the fact that you (taxpayer) are paying for some kids to sit around and have a good time while they can instead either be working or taking more classes. Now before you highlight that there are other government spending which you don't get a return on, you still get some other benefits rather than making some 18-22 year old feel good about themselves.ghettoperson wrote:
Yeah sorry, I did mean shouldn't. My point is, you somehow feel allowing students to join (admittedly retarded) clubs is a waste of taxpayers money; I don't see it.
Aside from that, a student living on campus spending like 3 hours out of the day going to class and then sitting around exploring their minds and finding themselves is a complete waste of time and with it a waste of money. Most students who sleep away at schools are spending most of their screwing and getting high and drunk when instead they could be taking a higher course load and finishing quicker and cheaper or working towards higher grades.
As for actually clubs; I don't see how a Harry Potter club or league is in any way helpful or could ever help you later in life at all.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
you may get a return on the money when they graduate and get jobs and pay taxes.Marlo Stanfield wrote:
Aside from never getting a return back on the money, it's a waste due to the fact that you (taxpayer) are paying for some kids to sit around and have a good time while they can instead either be working or taking more classes. Now before you highlight that there are other government spending which you don't get a return on, you still get some other benefits rather than making some 18-22 year old feel good about themselves.
Aside from that, a student living on campus spending like 3 hours out of the day going to class and then sitting around exploring their minds and finding themselves is a complete waste of time and with it a waste of money. Most students who sleep away at schools are spending most of their screwing and getting high and drunk when instead they could be taking a higher course load and finishing quicker and cheaper or working towards higher grades.
As for actually clubs; I don't see how a Harry Potter club or league is in any way helpful or could ever help you later in life at all.
sounds like jealousy tbh...Most students who sleep away at schools are spending most of their screwing and getting high and drunk
Well, subsidizing college students at the state level is rather silly in the first place since there is nothing guaranteeing the students will remain in the state once they graduate. I'm getting the hell out of New York as soon as I graduate and New York State spends about $6000 a year subsidizing my tuition. They'll never get a return on their investment in me.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
College is not always about an getting an education. You pay to have access to driven people and their families'. Connections...Old-boy network...Frat/Sororities...businesses...its also about connections.
As for the education, I can say I've learned more the six-and-one-third years after College than the six-and-one-third years in (I worked full-time).
As for the education, I can say I've learned more the six-and-one-third years after College than the six-and-one-third years in (I worked full-time).
So you want all university students to do 100% work and 0% fun? Yeah... not going to work.
If you knew much about university you'd know that its usually the people that are doing well that get involved in the school with sports and clubs. Do you really think that the dumb kids from phys ed are going to be playing Quidditch? Or would it be the smart nerds in engineering?
If you knew much about university you'd know that its usually the people that are doing well that get involved in the school with sports and clubs. Do you really think that the dumb kids from phys ed are going to be playing Quidditch? Or would it be the smart nerds in engineering?
You're only paying for the classes you're taking, if you were taking more it would cost more. Why does a club need to be beneficial, you could just do something because it's fun. You have a legitimate point against students who don't attend class, but you seem more riled up that some students want to pretend to be Harry Potter.Marlo Stanfield wrote:
Aside from never getting a return back on the money, it's a waste due to the fact that you (taxpayer) are paying for some kids to sit around and have a good time while they can instead either be working or taking more classes. Now before you highlight that there are other government spending which you don't get a return on, you still get some other benefits rather than making some 18-22 year old feel good about themselves.ghettoperson wrote:
Yeah sorry, I did mean shouldn't. My point is, you somehow feel allowing students to join (admittedly retarded) clubs is a waste of taxpayers money; I don't see it.
Aside from that, a student living on campus spending like 3 hours out of the day going to class and then sitting around exploring their minds and finding themselves is a complete waste of time and with it a waste of money. Most students who sleep away at schools are spending most of their screwing and getting high and drunk when instead they could be taking a higher course load and finishing quicker and cheaper or working towards higher grades.
As for actually clubs; I don't see how a Harry Potter club or league is in any way helpful or could ever help you later in life at all.
I feel a worse waste of taxpayer money is the Mickey Mouse Club, Bush league of a school that you attend, where people should really just have gone straight to work, because a 'degree' from there isn't going to help them with shit.
That's highly dependent on the state you work in. Some states pay professors extremely well -- others, not so much.JohnG@lt wrote:
Easiest, highest paying job in the country is college professor.
For example, full professors in baccalaureate institutions in NC make an average of about 60 to $70K.
http://chronicle.com/stats/aaup/index.p … ithRanks=1
In New York, the average is around $100K.
http://chronicle.com/stats/aaup/index.p … ithRanks=1
Granted, when you figure in the differences of cost of living, that complicates things as well. Obviously NY tends to be a lot more expensive to live in than NC.
their punishment...Cybargs wrote:
No, they'll just cram the night before like always.Trotskygrad wrote:
Give them moar papers/work. Problem solved.
Except for top schools coz OMFG THE AMOUNT OF WORK. I have a friend in Berkley who had a 4.7GPA and 2300 SATs... He gets B-'s in Berkley. Fuck lol.
Doesn't always work out, if the guy you're apprenticed to is a headcase, or the company goes out of business.Turquoise wrote:
Agreed...Flaming_Maniac wrote:
A company based apprentice system would be awesome.
Edit: Other than that, I heartily endorse the apprenticeship system.
Last edited by unnamednewbie13 (2010-03-14 18:19:50)
No, but college doesn't work out 100% of the time either.unnamednewbie13 wrote:
Doesn't always work out, if the guy you're apprenticed to is a headcase, or the company goes out of business.Turquoise wrote:
Agreed...Flaming_Maniac wrote:
A company based apprentice system would be awesome.
Edit: Other than that, I heartily endorse the apprenticeship system.
Bring kids into the fold early, 15 at the latest, teach them what they actually need to know to do their job, emphasize becoming a well-rounded person but ultimately leave their cultural education alone.
As someone who got part of their high school credits at a tech college electronics class and later (for a college class) an apprenticeship at a computer repair shop, I know exactly what you're talking about and agree. But having been through it, I still say that there are downs that should be acknowledged.Flaming_Maniac wrote:
No, but college doesn't work out 100% of the time either.unnamednewbie13 wrote:
Doesn't always work out, if the guy you're apprenticed to is a headcase, or the company goes out of business.Turquoise wrote:
Agreed...
Edit: Other than that, I heartily endorse the apprenticeship system.
Bring kids into the fold early, 15 at the latest, teach them what they actually need to know to do their job, emphasize becoming a well-rounded person but ultimately leave their cultural education alone.
I do think that they should restore practical courses to high school. Public school's math alone only narrowmindedly prepares you for calculus, if you even get that far.
People graduate US public school being able to recite how many pores were on MLK's face and recount perhaps 2% of the US presidents' names in no particular order, but aren't able to tell the difference between a prybar and a crowbar or manage inch offset calculations. Meh.
Last edited by unnamednewbie13 (2010-03-14 18:38:45)
My old highschool had an wing that allowed for several automotive mechanics classes, which for the less academic person is a decent enough career.unnamednewbie13 wrote:
As someone who got part of their high school credits at a tech college electronics class and later (for a college class) an apprenticeship at a computer repair shop, I know exactly what you're talking about and agree. But having been through it, I still say that there are downs that should be acknowledged.Flaming_Maniac wrote:
No, but college doesn't work out 100% of the time either.unnamednewbie13 wrote:
Doesn't always work out, if the guy you're apprenticed to is a headcase, or the company goes out of business.
Edit: Other than that, I heartily endorse the apprenticeship system.
Bring kids into the fold early, 15 at the latest, teach them what they actually need to know to do their job, emphasize becoming a well-rounded person but ultimately leave their cultural education alone.
I do think that they should restore practical courses to high school. Public school's math alone only narrowmindedly prepares you for calculus, if you even get that far.
my highschool thought it wasn't worth it and turned the wing into an art area with the auto class turned into a ceramics class.
Typical. Also, my hs's chemistry class was a closet compared to the 'great hall' we took our liberal indoctrination civics/world geography in.Marlo Stanfield wrote:
My old highschool had an wing that allowed for several automotive mechanics classes, which for the less academic person is a decent enough career.
my highschool thought it wasn't worth it and turned the wing into an art area with the auto class turned into a ceramics class.
I have more of a problem about how much time it takes to learn nothing than the actual act of learning nothing. I don't mind being taught rudimentary stuff when I'm 12, but all the way to 18? It's robbing people of perfectly productive years...maybe straight into the work force isn't the answer, but high school to 18 and college to 22 is a joke.
First thing on the list of AP high school english:Flaming_Maniac wrote:
I have more of a problem about how much time it takes to learn nothing than the actual act of learning nothing. I don't mind being taught rudimentary stuff when I'm 12, but all the way to 18? It's robbing people of perfectly productive years...maybe straight into the work force isn't the answer, but high school to 18 and college to 22 is a joke.
Nouns and verbs. What, we didn't learn about those in first grade?
You're right, it is a rip off, and my ass was more engaged in warming a seat than my brain was in actually being taught something new (for the most part).
Last edited by unnamednewbie13 (2010-03-14 18:47:30)
You just have a shit teacher.unnamednewbie13 wrote:
First thing on the list of AP high school english:Flaming_Maniac wrote:
I have more of a problem about how much time it takes to learn nothing than the actual act of learning nothing. I don't mind being taught rudimentary stuff when I'm 12, but all the way to 18? It's robbing people of perfectly productive years...maybe straight into the work force isn't the answer, but high school to 18 and college to 22 is a joke.
Nouns and verbs. What, we didn't learn about those in first grade?
You're right, it is a rip off, and my ass was more engaged in warming a seat than my brain was in actually being taught something new (for the most part).
Our AP lang started straight off with Essay styles (Compare and Contrast, informed argument, etc etc) and with Rhetorical skills as well.
You doing Lang or Lit?
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