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2010-02-28 16:31:38
11 Bravo
Banned
+965|5523|Cleveland, Ohio
Why are there piles of bones due to the Armenian genocide in Turkey unprotected and disgraced?  It was a massacre at the hands of Muslims and its not only denied but the graves are not even cared for or even acknowledged in some cases.  wtf?  I mean this was the same thing that hitler did.  It has been claimed hitler used this example as a blueprint for what he did to the jews.  The US is just as bad for not calling it genocide also.  Even Obama is hiding under the blanket.


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Last edited by 11 Bravo (2010-02-28 16:33:14)

2010-02-28 16:35:23
TSI
Cholera in the time of love
+247|6267|Toronto
1. the US doesn;t want to upset relations (which is a bogus excuse, but Turkey is an important strategic partner and stuff)
2. It wasn't perpetrated by a government related to modern Turkey. It'd be like blaming Sarkozy for the massacre of the Huguenots on St. Bart's eve, or the Mongolian government for Attila and Genghis. Or the British for thei actions against the Afrikaners...the list goes on, so who would you blame?
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2010-02-28 16:45:46
eleven bravo
Member
+1,399|5545|foggy bottom
actually, it was a modern turkey that commited these crimes unless Im mistaken in thinking the turkish government saw drastic changes after Ataturk
Tu Stultus Es
2010-02-28 16:47:10
cl4u53w1t2
Salon-Bolschewist
+269|6759|Kakanien

11 Bravo wrote:

I mean this was the same thing that hitler did.  It has been claimed hitler used this example as a blueprint for what he did to the jews.
well, it was not the same thing that hitler did. it was also genocide but the shoah, the industrial, technically perfected mass murder of 6 mio jews is still another level.

and i strongly doubt that hitler used the armenian genocide as a blueprint for the holocaust. i've never heard of this connection

but still, it's a shame turkey doesn't acknowledge the genocide
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2oh3h3DvY0
2010-02-28 16:51:47
eleven bravo
Member
+1,399|5545|foggy bottom
the nazi sure did copy the turks with their use of cattle cars sending armenians to syria
Tu Stultus Es
2010-02-28 16:59:08
Beduin
Compensation of Reactive Power in the grid
+510|6036|شمال
You made a topic about turkey before 11
الشعب يريد اسقاط النظام
...show me the schematic
2010-02-28 17:00:06
cl4u53w1t2
Salon-Bolschewist
+269|6759|Kakanien

eleven bravo wrote:

actually, it was a modern turkey that commited these crimes unless Im mistaken in thinking the turkish government saw drastic changes after Ataturk
the genocide took place in 1915 under the ottoman empire
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2oh3h3DvY0
2010-02-28 17:04:06
cl4u53w1t2
Salon-Bolschewist
+269|6759|Kakanien

TSI wrote:

It wasn't perpetrated by a government related to modern Turkey. It'd be like blaming Sarkozy for the massacre of the Huguenots on St. Bart's eve, or the Mongolian government for Attila and Genghis. Or the British for thei actions against the Afrikaners...the list goes on, so who would you blame?
turkey is the legal successor of the ottoman empire
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2oh3h3DvY0
2010-02-28 17:06:22
eleven bravo
Member
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The CUP was responsible for the genocide.   The CUP is still a part of Turkish politics today under a different name
Tu Stultus Es
2010-02-28 17:12:28
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6815|Global Command
I was all ready with a stuffing recipe.


I agree with the OP and also am curious why we get little thanks for stopping the slaughter in Albania.
2010-02-28 17:40:26
TSI
Cholera in the time of love
+247|6267|Toronto

eleven bravo wrote:

actually, it was a modern turkey that commited these crimes unless Im mistaken in thinking the turkish government saw drastic changes after Ataturk
Ataturk came afterwards, in a revolution against the Ottomans. As such, there is no direct succession between the two regimes.
That being said, I still believe that Turkey should accept the fact that its people committed the atrocities.

@ATG: what does Albania have to do with this?

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2010-02-28 17:51:46
Brasso
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+1,549|6916

someone saw 60 minutes today
"people in ny have a general idea of how to drive. one of the pedals goes forward the other one prevents you from dying"
2010-02-28 18:09:19
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6691|North Carolina
It doesn't matter what government currently runs Turkey.  It was still a genocide, and the fact that you can be prosecuted there for declaring it as such proves that the Turks still don't have a clue about free speech or human rights for that matter.

Of course, their human rights issues are most obvious when looking at how they treat Kurds.

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2010-02-28 18:20:14
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6815|Global Command

TSI wrote:

eleven bravo wrote:

actually, it was a modern turkey that commited these crimes unless Im mistaken in thinking the turkish government saw drastic changes after Ataturk
Ataturk came afterwards, in a revolution against the Ottomans. As such, there is no direct succession between the two regimes.
That being said, I still believe that Turkey should accept the fact that its people committed the atrocities.

@ATG: what does Albania have to do with this?
Because we stopped a reverse genocode, where the mooslims were being killed and they hate us anyway.
2010-02-28 20:12:49
TSI
Cholera in the time of love
+247|6267|Toronto

ATG wrote:

TSI wrote:

eleven bravo wrote:

actually, it was a modern turkey that commited these crimes unless Im mistaken in thinking the turkish government saw drastic changes after Ataturk
Ataturk came afterwards, in a revolution against the Ottomans. As such, there is no direct succession between the two regimes.
That being said, I still believe that Turkey should accept the fact that its people committed the atrocities.

@ATG: what does Albania have to do with this?
Because we stopped a reverse genocode, where the mooslims were being killed and they hate us anyway.
The US stopped a genocide in Albania? When?
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2010-02-28 20:31:02
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6815|Global Command
ethic albanians in kosovo gawddamnit
2010-02-28 20:49:02
TSI
Cholera in the time of love
+247|6267|Toronto

ATG wrote:

ethic albanians in kosovo gawddamnit
Those aren't Muslims, in case you didn't know. Bosniaks are the Balkan Muslim people, and NATO/US/the West failed miserably at protecting them. Ever heard of Srebrenica?
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2010-02-28 20:55:58
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6815|Global Command

TSI wrote:

ATG wrote:

ethic albanians in kosovo gawddamnit
Those aren't Muslims, in case you didn't know. Bosniaks are the Balkan Muslim people, and NATO/US/the West failed miserably at protecting them. Ever heard of Srebrenica?
Oh fuck.

Is it going on today?

Who did exactly jack shit about it pre-USA???


Imbecile ( had to google the spelling )
2010-02-28 21:05:43
11 Bravo
Banned
+965|5523|Cleveland, Ohio

TSI wrote:

ATG wrote:

TSI wrote:


Ataturk came afterwards, in a revolution against the Ottomans. As such, there is no direct succession between the two regimes.
That being said, I still believe that Turkey should accept the fact that its people committed the atrocities.

@ATG: what does Albania have to do with this?
Because we stopped a reverse genocode, where the mooslims were being killed and they hate us anyway.
The US stopped a genocide in Albania? When?
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
2010-02-28 21:17:54
TSI
Cholera in the time of love
+247|6267|Toronto

ATG wrote:

TSI wrote:

ATG wrote:

ethic albanians in kosovo gawddamnit
Those aren't Muslims, in case you didn't know. Bosniaks are the Balkan Muslim people, and NATO/US/the West failed miserably at protecting them. Ever heard of Srebrenica?
Oh fuck.

Is it going on today?

Who did exactly jack shit about it pre-USA???


Imbecile ( had to google the spelling )
No, it's mostly ended. Otpor's actions against Milosevic in 2000 ended persecution of the Albanians. The USA, conversely, bombed Serbia. Which made about as much sense as invading Afghanistan to stop al-Qaeda.

The Bosniak genocide, for its part, ended because the Serbs were beaten by the Croats and northern Bosnians. The Dayton accords only stopped the vengeful slaughter of Serbs. Nobody from the West ever intervened in that conflict itself. Actually, that's a lie. A french helicopter and a US F-18 were shot down, and a Dutch brigade were forced out of the UNDPAs.

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2010-02-28 21:20:53
11 Bravo
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+965|5523|Cleveland, Ohio
so according to you it is safe to say clinton lied in order to ge a war yes?  clinton lovers what say you?

Last edited by 11 Bravo (2010-02-28 21:22:29)

2010-02-28 21:31:56
13urnzz
Banned
+5,830|6783

11 Bravo wrote:

clinton lovers what say you?
you are mistaking the forum for Monica Lewinsky.
2010-02-28 21:40:31
TSI
Cholera in the time of love
+247|6267|Toronto

11 Bravo wrote:

so according to you it is safe to say clinton lied in order to ge a war yes?  clinton lovers what say you?
I say his justification for war was only barely stronger than Bush's re: Iraq. I think he was more misguided than lying, to be honest. His spearheading of Dayton accords proves that. However, you have to consider that he didn't actually go to war per se; it was mostly an aerial campaign for the US, followed by an interminable peacekeeping mission.
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2010-02-28 22:26:30
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6815|Global Command

TSI wrote:

ATG wrote:

TSI wrote:


Those aren't Muslims, in case you didn't know. Bosniaks are the Balkan Muslim people, and NATO/US/the West failed miserably at protecting them. Ever heard of Srebrenica?
Oh fuck.

Is it going on today?

Who did exactly jack shit about it pre-USA???


Imbecile ( had to google the spelling )
No, it's mostly ended. Otpor's actions against Milosevic in 2000 ended persecution of the Albanians. The USA, conversely, bombed Serbia. Which made about as much sense as invading Afghanistan to stop al-Qaeda.

The Bosniak genocide, for its part, ended because the Serbs were beaten by the Croats and northern Bosnians. The Dayton accords only stopped the vengeful slaughter of Serbs. Nobody from the West ever intervened in that conflict itself. Actually, that's a lie. A french helicopter and a US F-18 were shot down, and a Dutch brigade were forced out of the UNDPAs.
https://bluejaunte.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/tactical_facepalm.jpg


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2010-02-28 23:20:19
Cybargs
Moderated
+2,285|7002
Euros bitch about the US intervening, and bitch when they don't. Fuck Yugoslavia was Europes problem, it was in their fucking backyard, where were they when it happened?
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