surely it'd be better if guards ad cops got the same training as them, not the other way around?RAIMIUS wrote:
So you want them to get more training than licensed security guards and cops?S.Lythberg wrote:
I'm for it, but only if the license takes hundreds of hours of qualification and training to get.
Poll
I am _______ concealed weapons and I live...
| _for_...in the US. | 43% | 43% - 97 | ||||
| _for_...in another nation where they are allowed. | 3% | 3% - 7 | ||||
| _for_...in a nation where they are disallowed. | 10% | 10% - 23 | ||||
| _against_...in the US. | 5% | 5% - 13 | ||||
| _against_...in another nation where they are allowed. | 2% | 2% - 5 | ||||
| _against_...in a nation where they are disallowed. | 35% | 35% - 80 | ||||
| Total: 225 | ||||||
Wrong.S.Lythberg wrote:
Yes, and why not? Most firearm injuries are accidental, people obviously don't know how to properly handle and store their guns.RAIMIUS wrote:
So you want them to get more training than licensed security guards and cops?S.Lythberg wrote:
Truly an epic revive...
I'm for it, but only if the license takes hundreds of hours of qualification and training to get.
In 2008, according to the CDC's WISQARS system, there were 61,406 violence related firearms injuries. 984 of those were legal interventions. Contrast that with 17,215 unintentional firearms injuries.
On the lethal side (same source, 2006 stats)
Violence-related = 30,034
Legal intervention (included above)= 360
Unintentional = 642
edit: http://www.cdc.gov/injury/wisqars/index.html
Last edited by RAIMIUS (2010-02-25 12:28:53)
S.Lythberg wrote:
Yes, and why not? Most firearm injuries are accidental, people obviously don't know how to properly handle and store their guns.
Win or fail, you decide.
Not that a security guard's going to stick his neck out for that measly pay.ruisleipa wrote:
surely it'd be better if guards ad cops got the same training as them, not the other way around?
Last edited by unnamednewbie13 (2010-02-25 21:04:03)
All for it, gun makes a loyal citizen & criminal equal.
maybe not, but just saying that surely it's better if everyone has the very highest training possible when it comes to lethal weapons innit?unnamednewbie13 wrote:
Not that a security guard's going to stick his neck out for that measly pay.ruisleipa wrote:
surely it'd be better if guards ad cops got the same training as them, not the other way around?
Only if everyone is packing. Better to not have anyone packing surely.Longbow wrote:
All for it, gun makes a loyal citizen & criminal equal.
You make it seem like a gun is as intellectually challenging to use as a nuclear reactor.ruisleipa wrote:
maybe not, but just saying that surely it's better if everyone has the very highest training possible when it comes to lethal weapons innit?unnamednewbie13 wrote:
Not that a security guard's going to stick his neck out for that measly pay.ruisleipa wrote:
surely it'd be better if guards ad cops got the same training as them, not the other way around?
Here's your gun safety class:
1) Always keep your weapon's safety on and the gun unloaded with magazine removed while not in use.
2) If you have children, purchase a locking mechanism for the weapon so they don't discharge it accidentally if they find it.
3) Do not store your ammunition in a hot place like the trunk of a car (or an oven, this happened last week, haha).
4) Always treat your weapon as if it were loaded and never point it at anyone you do not intend to shoot.
5) When firing the weapon, aim it at the target and squeeze lightly on the trigger, do not pull or yank the trigger, when the trigger is squeezed, the gun going off should surprise you.
6) In order to maintain accuracy, control your breathing.
There's a few more things to it but it's hardly rocket science. You don't need to spend hundreds of hours at a range in order to gain proficiency with a weapon. Hell, the Army spends maybe two weeks covering everything and that's because it is teaching to the lowest common denominator (the dumbest person in the class). Any reasonably intelligent person can become proficient in a day or two. I went from having fired a rifle one time in my life when I was eight years old, to qualifying as an expert shot with multiple weapons in those two weeks. It doesn't matter if it's a handgun or a machine gun, the basics are all the same.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
Thanks for the info but thank allah I won't need it.JohnG@lt wrote:
You make it seem like a gun is as intellectually challenging to use as a nuclear reactor.
I didn't bring up the issue of training, with security guards or whatever getting more training than cops etc., someone else did.
CCW is a hassle as more and more public places become aware about CCW. They can insist you not bring a concealed weapon onto their premise.
People with CCW permits need to heed the "no firearms allowed" signs plastered on the doors or windows. I am more concern about someone breaking into a car and stealing a weapon because the person was not allowed to bring it with him or her.
I am FOR
People with CCW permits need to heed the "no firearms allowed" signs plastered on the doors or windows. I am more concern about someone breaking into a car and stealing a weapon because the person was not allowed to bring it with him or her.
I am FOR
Last edited by loubot (2010-02-26 12:11:15)
That depends on where you are at.loubot wrote:
People with CCW permits need to heed the "no firearms allowed" signs plastered on the doors or windows.
I store ammo in my vehicles all the time, year round, in the AZ heat. I keep them out of direct sunlight. Never had a problem and I've been doing it for 10+ years.JohnG@lt wrote:
3) Do not store your ammunition in a hot place like the trunk of a car (or an oven, this happened last week, haha).
Here's a pic from awhile back, it gets hotter inside the cab, but just happened to snap a pic that day:
Last edited by west-phoenix-az (2010-02-26 12:38:40)
CCW are fine as long as the only people allowed to have them are mentally stable.
Who determines and how if one is stable?Turquoise wrote:
CCW are fine as long as the only people allowed to have them are mentally stable.
Psychologists and psychiatrists. Mental health records should be disclosed to background checks before getting a CCW permit or a gun at all for that matter.west-phoenix-az wrote:
Who determines and how if one is stable?Turquoise wrote:
CCW are fine as long as the only people allowed to have them are mentally stable.
No way. Fuck shrinks. Innocent until proven guilty. No record? Here's your gun.Turquoise wrote:
Psychologists and psychiatrists. Mental health records should be disclosed to background checks before getting a CCW permit or a gun at all for that matter.west-phoenix-az wrote:
Who determines and how if one is stable?Turquoise wrote:
CCW are fine as long as the only people allowed to have them are mentally stable.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on that one.JohnG@lt wrote:
No way. Fuck shrinks. Innocent until proven guilty. No record? Here's your gun.Turquoise wrote:
Psychologists and psychiatrists. Mental health records should be disclosed to background checks before getting a CCW permit or a gun at all for that matter.west-phoenix-az wrote:
Who determines and how if one is stable?