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2009-11-04 18:40:50
Pochsy
Artifice of Eternity
+702|5829|Toronto
Yeah, pro-gun hysteria is just as bad, but we won't talk about that so you can enjoy feeling like a man. Protect what's not worth protecting with what's not worth the risk! It's your duty! Absolute fools.

I don't have anything against guns- nor do I have any particular reason to like them, but what I do have beef with is the complete douche nuggets who make it their life goal to own a gun so that they can use it at any chance they get. I won't give my reasons as to why this is a problem, I know you won't understand any perspective other than your own, but humility is key. At all times.
The shape of an eye in front of the ocean, digging for stones and throwing them against its window pane. Take it down dreamer, take it down deep. - Other Families
2009-11-04 18:58:47
RAIMIUS
You with the face!
+244|7000|US
Ok...

How many people "make it their life goal to own a gun so that they can use it at any chance they get" ?????

That's a mighty interesting attack you've made (other than calling them names)
2009-11-04 19:06:39
krazed
Admiral of the Bathtub
+619|7065|Great Brown North

Pochsy wrote:

Yeah, pro-gun hysteria is just as bad
in a lot of cases it's worse

Pochsy wrote:

but we won't talk about that so you can enjoy feeling like a man. Protect what's not worth protecting with what's not worth the risk! It's your duty! Absolute fools.
what? what does anything in my OP or even this thread have to do with getting a gun to "feel like a man"?

Pochsy wrote:

what I do have beef with is the complete douche nuggets who make it their life goal to own a gun so that they can use it at any chance they get.
i dislike them as well, people like that are one of the main reasons gun owners are widely disliked in many places

Pochsy wrote:

I won't give my reasons as to why this is a problem, I know you won't understand any perspective other than your own, but humility is key. At all times.
OR you could explain your position in a clear and non condescending manner, and we could have a reasonable discussion on the matter

Pochsy wrote:

I don't have anything against guns
sure seems like you do tbh or is it just a blanket dislike of people that own them?
2009-11-04 19:22:25
Pochsy
Artifice of Eternity
+702|5829|Toronto
It's nothing to do with the tool itself. It's everything to do with the person behind it. Unfortunately there is no way to sift through each person (let's not kid ourselves and state that the screening process in the states actually works) and guarantee that thoughtful owners will be the ones in possession. It is my basic position that the risk of having the nut-bars own weapons outweighs the minor benefits granted to those few who would use them sparingly. This is indeed a case where the few ruin it for the many, where the stakes are (and lots not kid ourselves again) lives.

I do acknowledge that some steps can be taken to help (not eliminate) improper ownership of firearms, but I see no overwhelming benefit to the few who stand to gain anything by pushing Canadian gun law any farther than they currently stand, and the few benefits it does offer are not worth it.

To Raimius: you are prime example of whom I speak of. Step down, away, and remain. Don't respond to this, I will not humor you.
The shape of an eye in front of the ocean, digging for stones and throwing them against its window pane. Take it down dreamer, take it down deep. - Other Families
2009-11-04 19:41:35
krazed
Admiral of the Bathtub
+619|7065|Great Brown North

Pochsy wrote:

It's nothing to do with the tool itself. It's everything to do with the person behind it. Unfortunately there is no way to sift through each person (let's not kid ourselves and state that the screening process in the states actually works) and guarantee that thoughtful owners will be the ones in possession.
our system (Canadian) seems to be working well enough tbh

Pochsy wrote:

but I see no overwhelming benefit to the few who stand to gain anything by pushing Canadian gun law any farther than they currently stand, and the few benefits it does offer are not worth it.
push them in which direction?

our gun laws need to be reformed in order to

1. make sense
2. be clear

the firearms act is filled with useless bits, vague terms, and rules stacked on rules stacked on rules

it needs to be redone and streamlined
2009-11-04 19:50:43
Pochsy
Artifice of Eternity
+702|5829|Toronto
Agreed. Many Canadian laws are ambiguous and outdated, including our gun laws. The problem I have is that through a "streamlined" reform inevitably comes 're-interpretation' and, often, this interpretation somehow happens to (to clarify my earlier statement) push gun laws towards a more liberal stance (liberal meaning less strict). In my opinion to leave gun laws the way they stand- as ambiguous and murky- offers the benefit of the retained social faux pas the lack of reform permits (for once people know of reform they question why our system is not like the US) and also the slight freedom allowed to gun users intelligent enough to interpret the law. The current laws are a sifting system in themselves. If you can figure them out and apply them to contemporary circumstances and abide by them with confidence you are intelligent enough to own a gun. If you cannot, you are not.

The logic is backwards and certainly elitist- but I think in this matter it is wholly permitted and even necessary
The shape of an eye in front of the ocean, digging for stones and throwing them against its window pane. Take it down dreamer, take it down deep. - Other Families
2009-11-04 20:15:35
krazed
Admiral of the Bathtub
+619|7065|Great Brown North
the problem that is most run into by gun owners is people in positions of power over them interpreting the laws against them

an example would be the current storage regs we have... while one official would see a locked glass cabinet adequate storage, another might not and support the "unsafe storage" charge... which can have all of your guns seized

here is what is listed on the RCMP website

Non-restricted firearms

    * Attach a secure locking device, such as a trigger lock or cable lock (or remove the bolt) so the firearms cannot be fired; or
    * Lock the firearms in a container or room that is hard to break into.

who decides what is "hard to break into" ?
hard to break into with what? a sledgehammer? chainsaw? or bare handed?

i have my guns locked into the closet that i rebuilt with 3/4 inch plywood screwed to the wall/ceiling studs
also rebuilt the door out of 2x4s, sheets of 3/4 inch ply and then double deadbolted it

some might see that as safe storage, and others might see it as too easy and demand i dump a few thousand into a fireproof 3 inch thick steel/cement safe

add how vague everything is with large amounts of the police forces not knowing most of even the most basic firearms laws (and more than a few coming from areas where guns= the enemy, regardless of who owns them) and you have the potential for very serious problems
2009-11-04 20:18:22
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
+1,817|6392|eXtreme to the maX

RAIMIUS wrote:

How many people "make it their life goal to own a gun so that they can use it at any chance they get" ?????
lowing
Anyone who takes seriously the 'Righteous Slaying' section of Guns'n Ammo, like the editors for example.
Fuck Israel
2009-11-04 20:24:47
krazed
Admiral of the Bathtub
+619|7065|Great Brown North
wait, there's a section in guns 'n ammo that says that?
2009-11-04 20:30:37
Pochsy
Artifice of Eternity
+702|5829|Toronto
A good point, Krazed, I do see its worth. But my argument is that through the ambiguity arises a kind of security in itself- if nobody can say you have not taken reasonable action to secure your weapons then you are safe. As to what reasonable means, I believe it is best left unspecified and dealt with on a case-by-case basis given a wealth (far to many for me to bother listing) of variables concerning the owner's own situation. Once gun laws are made fool-proof the problem is the fools know how to use them. The very fools we do not want with a gun in the first place.

It is unreasonable to believe that a concise, universal, and reasonable system will ever be established- you may spend eternity trying, but it always leaves error, and thus room for the very people you do not want owning weapons. I say it is easier, safer, and more allowing (for those intelligent users) to embrace the ambiguity of our laws.

Ha, I could make the same case for an unwritten British constitution, perhaps I'll go off and copy and paste some arguments and leace the application to yourself.

EDIT- and I'm off to bed. I will respond in the morning.

Last edited by Pochsy (2009-11-04 20:33:35)

The shape of an eye in front of the ocean, digging for stones and throwing them against its window pane. Take it down dreamer, take it down deep. - Other Families
2009-11-04 20:43:13
krazed
Admiral of the Bathtub
+619|7065|Great Brown North
it all comes down to the person overseeing your case and if they decide to try to railroad you because of their personal beliefs



i love my guns, i love cleaning them, i love shooting them <3
2009-11-04 21:16:11
RAIMIUS
You with the face!
+244|7000|US

Pochsy wrote:

To Raimius: you are prime example of whom I speak of. Step down, away, and remain. Don't respond to this, I will not humor you.
If you had been polite, I might have.  Since you were so condescending and authoritative, I will object.
Don't expect to insult people, then tell them to sit quietly in the corner.  That is not a reasonable expectation.

Show me where I have ever indicated my life's goal is to own a gun so I can use it at any chance I get.
(I'm assuming you mean against people.  I will readily admit to enjoying target practice, but I don't think that is what you are implying.)
If you are going to throw out personal accusations, I want some evidence.

Do I support gun rights?  Yes.
Do I support lawful self-defense? Yes.
Do I think lesser restrictions provide a better balance? Yes (and here we clearly disagree)
Do I support vigilantism? HELL NO.
Do I want to kill? Not really.  I am not opposed to using lethal force against a violent criminal attack or in war, although I admit I am likely to question such acts on a personal level for the rest of my life, should I use lethal force against another. 

I also disagree with purposfully vague laws.  Prison sentences aren't things to be toyed around with.  I want people to know what they can and cannot legally do.  Personal beliefs should be minimised in the law.  Judges should not be able to send someone to prison because they decide to interpret the law to their personal beliefs.  That is not a system of justice.  That is a kangaroo court.  (My take, anyway.)
Basing laws on a case-by-case basis is attractive, but far too prone to abuse, IMO.

Last edited by RAIMIUS (2009-11-04 21:18:13)

2009-11-06 13:27:50
krazed
Admiral of the Bathtub
+619|7065|Great Brown North
http://www.winnipegsun.com/news/winnipe … 59151.html

all it takes is a pissed off person and a phone

Last edited by krazed (2009-11-06 17:51:46)

2009-11-06 15:42:33
Diesel_dyk
Object in mirror will feel larger than it appears
+178|6280|Truthistan

krazed wrote:

http://www.winnipegsun.com/news/winnipeg/2009/11/06/11659151.html

all it takes is a pissed off person and a phone
Yes, people who make false reports need to be charged and prosecuted, and be subject to civil penalties. The cops are just doing their job, but the identify of complainants needs to be confirmed and made public knowledge.
2009-11-06 17:51:59
krazed
Admiral of the Bathtub
+619|7065|Great Brown North

http://harvest.canadaeast.com/image.php … size=500x0
2010-02-06 22:55:48
krazed
Admiral of the Bathtub
+619|7065|Great Brown North
well at least that's one newspaper that doesn't treat us like knuckle dragging rednecks

http://www.windsorstar.com/opinion/owne … story.html

article wrote:

It turns out the RCMP gave a master CD containing the personal information of 37,495 licensees from the Canadian Firearms Database to the EKOS polling firm.
it's ok, what's the harm in giving out the names, phone numbers, and addresses of near 40k firearms owners? what's the worst that can happen


after all, we're a danger to society and don't deserve equal protection and privacy
2010-02-07 11:20:18
Braddock
Agitator
+916|6576|Éire
Move to the US if you love guns that much.

What the fuck would anyone need an AR-15 for? Honestly. I would hate to live in a society where people could access and own those kind of weapons with ease.
2010-02-07 11:26:26
1stSFOD-Delta
Mike "The Spooge Gobbler" Morales
+376|6264|Blue Mountain State

Braddock wrote:

What the fuck would anyone need an AR-15 for? Honestly.
zombies and liberals

europeans too. fuck dem redcoats

Last edited by 1stSFOD-Delta (2010-02-07 11:33:06)

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Baba Booey
2010-02-07 11:32:45
Braddock
Agitator
+916|6576|Éire

1stSFOD-Delta wrote:

Braddock wrote:

What the fuck would anyone need an AR-15 for? Honestly.
zombies and liberals
Sometimes I get the impression the US is just Somalia with better roads.
2010-02-07 11:35:47
1stSFOD-Delta
Mike "The Spooge Gobbler" Morales
+376|6264|Blue Mountain State

Braddock wrote:

1stSFOD-Delta wrote:

Braddock wrote:

What the fuck would anyone need an AR-15 for? Honestly.
zombies and liberals
Sometimes I get the impression the US is just Somalia with better roads.
One of the Army guys that visits my old high school was in Somalia in 93. I'll ask for ya.
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Baba Booey
2010-02-07 11:37:50
Braddock
Agitator
+916|6576|Éire

1stSFOD-Delta wrote:

Braddock wrote:

1stSFOD-Delta wrote:


zombies and liberals
Sometimes I get the impression the US is just Somalia with better roads.
One of the Army guys that visits my old high school was in Somalia in 93. I'll ask for ya.
One of my friends works there... nice place, lots of large automatic rifles in the hands of the general public.
2010-02-07 11:42:00
1stSFOD-Delta
Mike "The Spooge Gobbler" Morales
+376|6264|Blue Mountain State

Braddock wrote:

1stSFOD-Delta wrote:

Braddock wrote:

Sometimes I get the impression the US is just Somalia with better roads.
One of the Army guys that visits my old high school was in Somalia in 93. I'll ask for ya.
One of my friends works there... nice place, lots of large automatic rifles in the hands of the general public.
Well here we just walk around everywhere with large semi-auto rifles. We're not as cool as Somalia, I guess.
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Baba Booey
2010-02-07 12:07:14
RAIMIUS
You with the face!
+244|7000|US

Braddock wrote:

What the fuck would anyone need an AR-15 for? Honestly. I would hate to live in a society where people could access and own those kind of weapons with ease.
Personally, I use one for target shooting.  High accuracy, low recoil = more fun at long range sessions.
I also chose that particular platform because it is the closest thing to what I will be required to qualify on and will likely be issued.  If your job requires knowledge of firearms, it's good to be well-versed in their use and function, no?
(3) It's fun.

I don't hunt, but AR-15s are quite suitable for small to medium sized game.
2010-02-07 12:21:11
Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
+2,006|5644|London, England

Braddock wrote:

1stSFOD-Delta wrote:

Braddock wrote:

What the fuck would anyone need an AR-15 for? Honestly.
zombies and liberals
Sometimes I get the impression the US is just Somalia with better roads.
Sometimes I feel sorry for you because you've never experienced what it really means to be free. It's that whole innocent until proven guilty thing. You just accept that you're considered guilty from birth. Different outlooks on life.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
2010-02-07 12:31:38
Braddock
Agitator
+916|6576|Éire

JohnG@lt wrote:

Braddock wrote:

1stSFOD-Delta wrote:


zombies and liberals
Sometimes I get the impression the US is just Somalia with better roads.
Sometimes I feel sorry for you because you've never experienced what it really means to be free. It's that whole innocent until proven guilty thing. You just accept that you're considered guilty from birth. Different outlooks on life.
I appreciate that it's a different outlook on life in the US but believe me, I'm happy that my 'freedom' doesn't extend to owning high-powered, automatic weaponry... because it means the Chav who lives down the street doesn't have the 'freedom' to own high-powered, automatic weaponry either.

Honestly, don't mourn my lack of 'freedom', you folks in the US and places like Somalia are welcome to it.

 

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