BF2S Forums Gunsights' Biblical References Concern US & UK forces

Stingray24 wrote:

Mekstizzle wrote:

For the explicitly Christian members of the forum, what is your personal religious opinion of having scriptures engraved onto the sights of weapons? Jesus would approve, or not?


The Christians, especially the one's on this forum that lean right, can't accept the fact that they're quite ideologically similar to the Muslims. In the sense that they don't even feel uncomfortable with these engravings. In the same way that Muslims don't even see anything wrong with shouting Allah Ackbar before blowing shit up. It's not the acts themselves, it's the fact that people don't have any qualms and simply see it as being part of the religion. Which is messed up.

My personal religious opinion of having scriptures, that have nothing to do with war or even self defense, engraved in the sights of weapons: it's such a non-issue it doesn't even make the top 1000 of pressing religious decisions.  I resent being compared to a terrorist because I do see nothing wrong with this.  I do not advocate murder of innocent civilians as jihadists do, nor do I advocate military actions based purely on a religious basis as the jihadists do.  My ideology is completely opposite of that of a jihadist "blowing shit up".  Check your facts, mate.

how would you feel if the same thing was written next to the serial number of a sex toy?

so its still a non issue if it was stitched on a huge black dildo?

Stingray24 wrote:

Why would it be an issue?

edit: the people teaching that sex is naughty haven't read their Bible ... turn to Song of Solomon

so youre saying you wouldnt care?

Dilbert_X wrote:

FEOS wrote:

UBL is a Christian extremist? You should let the media outlets in on that story...you might get a Pulitzer or something.

This thing started way before Bin Laden.

What "thing"? The Iraq war or the Afghan war?

The answer is neither.

Dilbert_X wrote:

Individuals can do it, then drop by the armorer for refinishing of that spot. Not a big deal at all.

Depends how its finished, could be a write-off.

I doubt it. Armorers maintain their stuff...to include the finishes. Stuff gets scraped up in the field and if it needs refinishing to function (WTF would require that?), then they do it.

Dilbert_X wrote:

probably a minority of them view either the war in Afghanistan or Iraq as a "crusade"...particularly since neither are in the Levant

But a big part of the objective is to eliminate Israel's enemies, doesn't need to actually be fought in the Levant.

Oh please--puh-leeeeze--provide some kind of a fact to back up that tripe.

And way to change the subject, since that's not what a "crusade" is, btw.

More a PR issue for the company. The military handled it.

Spark wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

RAIMIUS wrote:

Sure.  Just remember that the 10 Commandments were part of the Old Testament, which focused on justice/equal retribution.  The New Testament is where peace and love (mercy) take a leading role.

Or the OT is THE LAW, the NT is opinion.

That would pretty stupid, though... given that Christanity is all about Jesus and I don't think Jesus makes too much of an appearance in the OT...

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Anyway, they said they'd remove the inscriptions, that's that and nothing more to see here.

Butbutbutbut....CRUSADES!

CRUSADES, I tell you!

What "thing"? The Iraq war or the Afghan war?

Meddling in the ME on behalf of Israel, of which Afghanistan and Iraq are just the latest chapters.
Iran and Pakistan will be next no doubt, plus maybe Yemen.

Turquoise wrote:

So again, this isn't a PR issue for the military?

this is the question i asked myself right after i red the op, but then this thread went all "wtf-crusades-pwnzerrz1!1!" and i was too busy with my popcorn can.

anyway, who cares about the fucking engravings? there's barely a thing you can do now to fix usa's image in regard to religion and its place in the middle eastern conflict after the notorions bullshit that mr. bush had been spewing before ordering the invasion of afghanistan and iraq.

Dilbert_X wrote:

Gee, protecting a race which has been fucked over for the past 5000 years is such a bad thing. Oh, and especially when their neighbors want them removed from the face of the Earth.

Just Palestine, not Earth.

Really?

Hell Palestine wasn't even Arab land in the first place. The British owned it and gave it back to the Jews. It was all fine and dandy until the ME wanted to invade their shit with a 6 country gang bang.



Gee I don't know, working with Hitler was such a great thing wasn't it? Not anti-Semite at all.

Dilbert_X wrote:

Spark wrote:

That would pretty stupid, though... given that Christanity is all about Jesus and I don't think Jesus makes too much of an appearance in the OT...

But there are many references to the OT in the NT, and many references to God by Jebus.
They are interlinked, anyone who claims different is lowing.

True, but the NT is quite plainly much more important. To claim otherwise is just silly.

Cybargs wrote:

With Iraq, you signed up you get sent. Live with the consequences of signing up. And since when are all troops baby killers? You have a very shallow knowledge of the military if you think that way.

I love it when you put words into my mouth! Who the heck said anything about 'all troops are baby killers'? At least before you suggested it?

Stingray24 wrote:

ruisleipa wrote:

IF a US soldier took part in an illegal war and killed someone he WOULD HAVE murdered someone THEREFORE be going to hell according to the bible/10 commandments. OK?

Ruisleipa, I suggest you study the Bible a wee bit more before making further posts on Christian beliefs.  You're quoting far too many false assumptions.  Starting at the New Testament would be a good idea.

Well why don't you tell me then instead of not telling me what mistake I made? What, you don't go to hell if you break a commandment? OK fine. My point was that the commandement not tomurder rather than merely not to kill is hopelessly vague, since murder is defined by law. In fact it's a legal obligation, not a moral one. So it leaves enough room to justify killing in many circumstances, notably in war. You use religion to justify killing, it doesn't matter which religion you're in - Christian, Muslim, Jew, whatever - then you're moving away from what in my opinion is the main 'good' thing that can come out of organised religion - promoting love and peace. The only commandment you should need is 'Love one another'. I also note that the Catholic Church does translate the commandment as 'thou shalt not kill'. As do others:

The Vulgate (Latin) translation has Non occides, i.e. "Thou shalt not kill." English translations using "kill" include the King James (Authorised) (1611) [although note Matthew 19:18 "do no murder," following the Vulgate non homicidium facies], the American Standard (1901) and Revised Standard (American Protestant, 1952) Versions. Almost all Roman Catholic translations, including the Douay-Rheims Bible (1609/1752), the New American Bible (1970), the New Jerusalem Bible (1985) and the Christian Community Bible (1986), have "kill." Martin Luther (German, 1534) also uses töten (kill).

Protestant translations using "murder" include the New International Version (American, 1978), New American Standard Bible (American, 1971), New English Bible (British Protestant, 1970), and the New King James (American, 1982), New Revised Standard (American, 1989) and English Standard (American Protestant, 2001) Versions. Jewish translations almost all use "murder," including the Jewish Publication Society of America Version (1917), the Judaica Press tanach (1963) and the Living Torah (1981). A Jewish exception to this pattern is the Artscroll or Stone Edition tanach (1996).

And look - I made up that nice moral thought even without reading the bible again. But hang on, maybe the 10Cs are not the word of God and are a list of commandments created by men in an attempt to maintain order in society, something like that? I mean, it's just a possibility y'know? You probably also know already that Jews and Muslims also follow the ten commandments. Maybe, then, the 10Cs are the word of God but all religions worship the same God? And they argue over nothing while ignoring fundamnetal problems in society in the interests of themselves, their organisations and maintaining power? Wow, it blows your mind, doesn't it?

I admit it's not been for a few years but you can blame my boring religious studies teacher for my lack of scripture knowledge. Terribly sorry. Btw why should I read the nice fluffy NT since I thought the commandments we were discussing were in the horrible warmongering OT?