I want to order a sight with Sura 9:5 on it.
No, you spoke the words about shopping centres yourself, not that they have really been a significant feature at any time of this conflict.FEOS wrote:
I made the religious analogy--and then pointed out that both are meaningless in the grand scheme of things. He made the "we're not as bad as them" analogy--essentially putting words in my mouth. Two completely different things.
The Christian and Moslem extremists have from day one, its just the Christians have been less honest about it.
Fuck Israel
yeah cos mercy and justice never go hand in hand. Thou shalt not murder is a rather vague commandment don't you think? Does taking part in an illegal war and killing people equal murder? Sure, why not? In which case all those 'Christian' soldiers are going to the big H. Such a load of bullshit the whole thing anyway it's amazing people still believe in it all tbh.RAIMIUS wrote:
The more proper translation is "Thou shalt not murder."
There are plenty of killings in the Bible that are considered justified. (Mostly in the Old Testament when things were about justice, rather than the mercy theme of the New Testament.)
Afghanistan was never illegal. It was UN-sanctioned.Does taking part in an illegal war and killing people equal murder?
You seem to have an almost nationalistically negative view of the US, bordering on hatred. It's not healthy.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
I'm sure he's either ramm, or ramm's cousin, or of some relation to ramm.Spark wrote:
Afghanistan was never illegal. It was UN-sanctioned.Does taking part in an illegal war and killing people equal murder?
You seem to have an almost nationalistically negative view of the US, bordering on hatred. It's not healthy.
wtf who brought up Afghanistan? I never mentioned Afghanistan or even Iraq for that matter. Stop putting words into my mouth and then saying I'm irrational you arse! Since murder is a term defined by law it's a pretty vague commandement isn't it? I was tying that fact in to the whole shooting people when in the army thing. Get it? Or not?Spark wrote:
Afghanistan was never illegal. It was UN-sanctioned.Does taking part in an illegal war and killing people equal murder?
You seem to have an almost nationalistically negative view of the US, bordering on hatred. It's not healthy.
And who teh frig is Ramm?
What "illegal" war are you referring to then? Only major conflict today is Afghanistan.ruisleipa wrote:
wtf who brought up Afghanistan? I never mentioned Afghanistan or even Iraq for that matter. Stop putting words into my mouth and then saying I'm irrational you arse! Since murder is a term defined by law it's a pretty vague commandement isn't it? I was tying that fact in to the whole shooting people when in the army thing. Get it? Or not?Spark wrote:
Afghanistan was never illegal. It was UN-sanctioned.Does taking part in an illegal war and killing people equal murder?
You seem to have an almost nationalistically negative view of the US, bordering on hatred. It's not healthy.
And who teh frig is Ramm?
Jeez, OK, let me put it into the abstract - IF a US soldier took part in an illegal war and killed someone he WOULD HAVE murdered someone THEREFORE be going to hell according to the bible/10 commandments. OK?
But, you could try looking at the Iraq war if you want an example of something of at least dubious legality. And killing civilians in wartime is generally a war crime, and therefore illegal, which US (AND OTHER COUNTRIES TOO - just so you don't have a go at me for being 'anti-US') soldiers have done...so....
But, you could try looking at the Iraq war if you want an example of something of at least dubious legality. And killing civilians in wartime is generally a war crime, and therefore illegal, which US (AND OTHER COUNTRIES TOO - just so you don't have a go at me for being 'anti-US') soldiers have done...so....
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Enjoy military prison if you bail on getting deployed.ruisleipa wrote:
Jeez, OK, let me put it into the abstract - IF a US soldier took part in an illegal war and killed someone he WOULD HAVE murdered someone THEREFORE be going to hell according to the bible/10 commandments. OK?
But, you could try looking at the Iraq war if you want an example of something of at least dubious legality. And killing civilians in wartime is generally a war crime, and therefore illegal, which US (AND OTHER COUNTRIES TOO - just so you don't have a go at me for being 'anti-US') soldiers have done...so....
Why not the whole chapter? Or you only read one verse?Pubic wrote:
I want to order a sight with Sura 9:5 on it.
Edit.: not sura, but ayah. Learn it ffs!
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الشعب يريد اسقاط النظام
...show me the schematic
...show me the schematic
Depends if you act according to your conscience or if you act according to what other people tell you to do/think. You might enjoy prison more than shooting people, or being part of an illegal war. Especially if you're a Christian who stands up for their belief in loving your nieghbour - wasn't that also a commandment or something? Or at least a tenet of Christianity. These days though being a Christian is often seen as a good excuse to...er...kill people ('right to lifers' for example...or the afore-mentioned idiots who inscribe Bible verses onto gunsights).
Plenty of people in prison because they refused deployment/draft. Even in Finland we have some. Remember Vietnam draft dodgers? Good for them. The fact you can get sent to prison for that is ridiculous anyway.
Meh, I gotta go to work.
Plenty of people in prison because they refused deployment/draft. Even in Finland we have some. Remember Vietnam draft dodgers? Good for them. The fact you can get sent to prison for that is ridiculous anyway.
Meh, I gotta go to work.
With Iraq, you signed up you get sent. Live with the consequences of signing up. And since when are all troops baby killers? You have a very shallow knowledge of the military if you think that way.ruisleipa wrote:
Depends if you act according to your conscience or if you act according to what other people tell you to do/think. You might enjoy prison more than shooting people, or being part of an illegal war. Especially if you're a Christian who stands up for their belief in loving your nieghbour - wasn't that also a commandment or something? Or at least a tenet of Christianity. These days though being a Christian is often seen as a good excuse to...er...kill people ('right to lifers' for example...or the afore-mentioned idiots who inscribe Bible verses onto gunsights).
Plenty of people in prison because they refused deployment/draft. Even in Finland we have some. Remember Vietnam draft dodgers? Good for them. The fact you can get sent to prison for that is ridiculous anyway.
Meh, I gotta go to work.
jesus gun scopes
If they're so proud why the subterfuge?
Fuck Israel
Because I believe it is illegal to proselytize (that is a horrible word)? That's what I've heard, anyway.Dilbert_X wrote:
If they're so proud why the subterfuge?
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
Christians breaking the law? I don't believe you.Spark wrote:
Because I believe it is illegal to proselytize (that is a horrible word)? That's what I've heard, anyway.
Fuck Israel
I wouldn't exactly call it proselytisation (GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH) - from what the pic above shows, it's very discreet. I wouldn't have noticed it...Dilbert_X wrote:
Christians breaking the law? I don't believe you.Spark wrote:
Because I believe it is illegal to proselytize (that is a horrible word)? That's what I've heard, anyway.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
Because a whole chapter of text won't fit on a rifle sight. Perhaps I should have just asked for the atheist version...Beduin wrote:
Why not the whole chapter? Or you only read one verse?Pubic wrote:
I want to order a sight with Sura 9:5 on it.
Edit.: not sura, but ayah. Learn it ffs!
Some soldiers will be happy with the verses, some won't. Let the individual soldiers decide what, if anything, goes on their sights.
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Hey I know, why don't we only let Christians join the army?
Problem solved.
Problem solved.
Fuck Israel
unit SOP usually dictates thatPubic wrote:
Because a whole chapter of text won't fit on a rifle sight. Perhaps I should have just asked for the atheist version...Beduin wrote:
Why not the whole chapter? Or you only read one verse?Pubic wrote:
I want to order a sight with Sura 9:5 on it.
Edit.: not sura, but ayah. Learn it ffs!
Some soldiers will be happy with the verses, some won't. Let the individual soldiers decide what, if anything, goes on their sights.
Tu Stultus Es
As someone else said, it's a private company and they made a good product, which the government purchases. If the government doesn't want them on there, I'm sure they'll place that in the next contract. Much to do about nothing tbh.
Oh and these verses are really offensive.
2 Cor. 4:6 - For God, who said, "Let light shine out of darkness," made his light shine in our hearts to give us the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Christ.
Jn 8:12 - When Jesus spoke again to the people, he said, "I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life."
Oh and these verses are really offensive.
2 Cor. 4:6 - For God, who said, "Let light shine out of darkness," made his light shine in our hearts to give us the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Christ.
Jn 8:12 - When Jesus spoke again to the people, he said, "I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life."
Ruisleipa, I suggest you study the Bible a wee bit more before making further posts on Christian beliefs. You're quoting far too many false assumptions. Starting at the New Testament would be a good idea.ruisleipa wrote:
IF a US soldier took part in an illegal war and killed someone he WOULD HAVE murdered someone THEREFORE be going to hell according to the bible/10 commandments. OK?
Even as an atheist, I find this to be a non-issue.
I don't care if they had Quranic verses on them or even lines from the Satanic Bible. If the gunsight functions like it's supposed to, what's the deal?
I don't care if they had Quranic verses on them or even lines from the Satanic Bible. If the gunsight functions like it's supposed to, what's the deal?
It's not about what the soldiers using them think, it's about how the law-abiding Muslims living in Iraq and Afghanistan perceive it... the people that the US and UK are trying to convince aren't the victims of a 'holy war'. This doesn't read well from a public image point of view.Turquoise wrote:
Even as an atheist, I find this to be a non-issue.
I don't care if they had Quranic verses on them or even lines from the Satanic Bible. If the gunsight functions like it's supposed to, what's the deal?
I'm an atheist but I was raised Catholic and in Ireland we are taught "Thou Shalt Not Kill"... I was quite surprised (and disturbed) when I first found out that the US teach "Thou Shalt Not Murder" (just enough wiggle room to squeeze in a few kills). Also, didn't Jesus say to turn the other cheek? Not take aim and fire.Stingray24 wrote:
As someone else said, it's a private company and they made a good product, which the government purchases. If the government doesn't want them on there, I'm sure they'll place that in the next contract. Much to do about nothing tbh.
Oh and these verses are really offensive.
2 Cor. 4:6 - For God, who said, "Let light shine out of darkness," made his light shine in our hearts to give us the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Christ.
Jn 8:12 - When Jesus spoke again to the people, he said, "I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life."Ruisleipa, I suggest you study the Bible a wee bit more before making further posts on Christian beliefs. You're quoting far too many false assumptions. Starting at the New Testament would be a good idea.ruisleipa wrote:
IF a US soldier took part in an illegal war and killed someone he WOULD HAVE murdered someone THEREFORE be going to hell according to the bible/10 commandments. OK?
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