Flaming_Maniac wrote:
I agree with Macbeth when he said "Both are neither right nor wrong. Pretty simple."
Poll
Which do you find most offensive.
| Someone being openly gay | 6% | 6% - 6 | ||||
| Someone being openly Democrat or Republican | 2% | 2% - 2 | ||||
| Someone being openly an illegal citizen | 35% | 35% - 31 | ||||
| Someone being openly addicted to Drugs | 28% | 28% - 25 | ||||
| Someone being openly uncaring about the environment. | 27% | 27% - 24 | ||||
| Total: 88 | ||||||
Hopping from point to point? Hardly.Flaming_Maniac wrote:
The example is people that own slaves have the right to do what they want with them. If you are consistent in your views, you agree with that statement, particularly for the time period. At the same time, you tried to use that statement to "get at" Macbeth.JohnG@lt wrote:
It's not blowing up in my face at all. FM, you believe that all opinions are equal? That was his original point.Flaming_Maniac wrote:
the fuck you doing pulling big TJ out of your ass
This is about you being a hypocrite. You didn't like where the argument was going with Macbeth so you turn to " Oh shit, I forgot you're the guy that wants to be able to stomp kittens to death if he wants to. Yeah, you're an idiot. ". He went after your espoused views with that and the example is blowing up in your face.
I agree with Macbeth when he said "Both are neither right nor wrong. Pretty simple. " A point which you never responded to.
You keep hopping from point to point when he pins you somewhere.
How can something be neither right nor wrong? The comparison was simple. Either women are equal or they aren't. They can't both be correct, it would be a paradox.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
Then answer all the points given to you.JohnG@lt wrote:
Hopping from point to point? Hardly.Flaming_Maniac wrote:
The example is people that own slaves have the right to do what they want with them. If you are consistent in your views, you agree with that statement, particularly for the time period. At the same time, you tried to use that statement to "get at" Macbeth.JohnG@lt wrote:
It's not blowing up in my face at all. FM, you believe that all opinions are equal? That was his original point.
I agree with Macbeth when he said "Both are neither right nor wrong. Pretty simple. " A point which you never responded to.
You keep hopping from point to point when he pins you somewhere.
How can something be neither right nor wrong? The comparison was simple. Either women are equal or they aren't. They can't both be correct, it would be a paradox.
They are individual opinions. Right and wrong are manufactured from social opinion - also not something that is intrinsically right or wrong. There is no objective standard to hold such opinions against that makes them definitively right or wrong.
You know paradox means that while at first glance the idea does not seem to make sense, but upon closer examiniation it does?
"a self-contradictory and false proposition."Flaming_Maniac wrote:
Then answer all the points given to you.JohnG@lt wrote:
Hopping from point to point? Hardly.Flaming_Maniac wrote:
The example is people that own slaves have the right to do what they want with them. If you are consistent in your views, you agree with that statement, particularly for the time period. At the same time, you tried to use that statement to "get at" Macbeth.
I agree with Macbeth when he said "Both are neither right nor wrong. Pretty simple. " A point which you never responded to.
You keep hopping from point to point when he pins you somewhere.
How can something be neither right nor wrong? The comparison was simple. Either women are equal or they aren't. They can't both be correct, it would be a paradox.
They are individual opinions. Right and wrong are manufactured from social opinion - also not something that is intrinsically right or wrong. There is no objective standard to hold such opinions against that makes them definitively right or wrong.
You know paradox means that while at first glance the idea does not seem to make sense, but upon closer examiniation it does?
Whether you wish it or not, you do live within a society. Whether an opinion is 'manufactured' is irrelevant. It exists and is accepted. Against the opinion of the society we live in, a statement like 'women are not equal to men', is false.
Now, if we were living in a vacuum, your opinion would be correct.
Last edited by JohnG@lt (2010-01-16 15:27:42)
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/paradoxJohnG@lt wrote:
"a self-contradictory and false proposition."Flaming_Maniac wrote:
Then answer all the points given to you.JohnG@lt wrote:
Hopping from point to point? Hardly.
How can something be neither right nor wrong? The comparison was simple. Either women are equal or they aren't. They can't both be correct, it would be a paradox.
They are individual opinions. Right and wrong are manufactured from social opinion - also not something that is intrinsically right or wrong. There is no objective standard to hold such opinions against that makes them definitively right or wrong.
You know paradox means that while at first glance the idea does not seem to make sense, but upon closer examiniation it does?
1. a statement or proposition that seems self-contradictory or absurd but in reality expresses a possible truth.
2. a self-contradictory and false proposition.
3. any person, thing, or situation exhibiting an apparently contradictory nature.
4. an opinion or statement contrary to commonly accepted opinion.
Poor word choice to the extent the sentence doesn't mean what you wanted it to. "They can't both be correct, it would be a paradox." is not correct because they could both be correct and it could still be a paradox.
In any case you just gave an excellent example of dropping points. I'm going to go eat dinner now.
edit: well at least you edited
Neither Macebeth nor I added any such stipulations to our statements. An opinion itself has equal value, so long as it is not intrinsically contradictory, regardless of the social opinion of it.JohnG@lt wrote:
Whether you wish it or not, you do live within a society. Whether an opinion is 'manufactured' is irrelevant. It exists and is accepted. Against the opinion of the society we live in, a statement like 'women are not equal to men', is false.
In any case if we're using your definition, the vast majority of your opinions are socially defined as false.
In a way, I agree.JohnG@lt wrote:
I edited. I discount peoples views when it's warranted. If their ideas aren't based on logic and reason then they are worthless.Macbeth wrote:
Uh no that is as wrong as calling their views stupid. I'm not a big fan of making debates personal or totally discounting people's views.JohnG@lt wrote:
That's fine. They don't have to agree with me. But can they say that I haven't researched my views or that I come up with off the cuff crap to spew? No.
I'm sorry Macbeth but not all opinions and ideas have merit.
The freedom of speech provides that just about any view is allowed to be expressed, but this does not mean that all views should be equally respected.
An idea in a practical sense is warranted more respect if it is based on reason and evidence, rather than emotion and blind faith.
Macbeth wrote:
Someone being openly gay Homosexuality doesn't bother me.Someone being openly an illegal citizen
Someone being openly Democrat or Republican Meh
Someone being openly addicted to Drugs People can change
Someone being openly uncaring about the environment. Fuck the environment
Someone being proud to be an illegal makes me rage a bit. I don't mind people coming here legally and obtaining citizenship, that's cool "give us your tired your poor" and so on but someone being proud of being an illegal just pisses me off.
Really?ATG wrote:
Someone being openly gay Homosexuality doesn't bother me.
All forms of Dauntless are vile.Dauntless wrote:
Really?ATG wrote:
Someone being openly gay Homosexuality doesn't bother me.
Dude, I think you got a date for tonight!Dauntless wrote:
Really?ATG wrote:
Someone being openly gay Homosexuality doesn't bother me.
cool your jets you bunch of wiseguys
I actually wanted to know if that's how ATG feels
I actually wanted to know if that's how ATG feels
Why, you want to jump out of the closet and kiss him?Dauntless wrote:
cool your jets you bunch of wiseguys
I actually wanted to know if that's how ATG feels
yes that is why
nice one
oh how it burns
douche
nice one
oh how it burns
douche
Well I am sure he typed that he didn't have a problem with gays to cover for the fact that he goes out weekly and beats them to death with a bat.Dauntless wrote:
yes that is why
nice one
oh how it burns
douche
and douche is against the TOS.
The last 3. But mostly the environment one, as it's the only one that has a DIRECT impact on me, my lifestyle and my living conditions.
Illegal citizen and environment.
The remainder I don't care about as long as they stay away from me.
The remainder I don't care about as long as they stay away from me.
Русский военный корабль, иди на хуй!
Someone being openly gay
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I don't really care. Their private life is their private life.
Someone being openly Democrat or Republican
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Again, I don't care what one's political affiliation is. I do care if they start trying to shove their ideas down my throat.
Someone being openly an illegal citizen
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Yeah there are illegals who commit crime, but same with any other group. They should take the legal way in like a lot of other immigrants, but I don't really care as long as they're contributing to society.
Someone being openly addicted to Drugs
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They don't directly affect me, but they support drug dealers who often value their "products" over human life. Drug addicts essentially bring crime into an area. Fuck that shit.
Someone being openly uncaring about the environment.
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AKA being an asshole? Meh. A lot of people are assholes.
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I don't really care. Their private life is their private life.
Someone being openly Democrat or Republican
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Again, I don't care what one's political affiliation is. I do care if they start trying to shove their ideas down my throat.
Someone being openly an illegal citizen
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Yeah there are illegals who commit crime, but same with any other group. They should take the legal way in like a lot of other immigrants, but I don't really care as long as they're contributing to society.
Someone being openly addicted to Drugs
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They don't directly affect me, but they support drug dealers who often value their "products" over human life. Drug addicts essentially bring crime into an area. Fuck that shit.
Someone being openly uncaring about the environment.
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AKA being an asshole? Meh. A lot of people are assholes.
Clearly you don't remember the thread. FoxNews reported bullshit. He wasn't banging a 15 year old girl. That was his sister in law, whom he was walking home. Then a gang of drunken under aged teenagers attacked and killed him. They then fled without calling police, leaving him unconscious and in a critical condition.Lotta_Drool wrote:
Damn people, I never said it OK to murder people. I said I was glad he was called out for being who he was. If you read the story the teens gave him ( a 25 year old guy) shit for banging a 15 year old. The 25 year old guy then " call his friends " ( see gang violence ) the teen kicked his ass and he left ( would have been the end of it ) but turned around fight some more and ended up getting killed.
But I can see how you'd forget all of this and go back to assuming the worst because he was an illegal immigrant. You thought they were heroes for beating him to death.
He picked cherries for a living. So he was pure evil, huh...?
If anyone wants to see Lotta Drolls stance on anyone non-white, they just have to read this thread:
Dead Mexican child molestor's killers aquitted
DrunkFace wrote:
The last 3. But mostly the environment one, as it's the only one that has a DIRECT impact on me, my lifestyle and my living conditions.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
/gets popcornJohnG@lt wrote:
"a self-contradictory and false proposition."Flaming_Maniac wrote:
Then answer all the points given to you.JohnG@lt wrote:
Hopping from point to point? Hardly.
How can something be neither right nor wrong? The comparison was simple. Either women are equal or they aren't. They can't both be correct, it would be a paradox.
They are individual opinions. Right and wrong are manufactured from social opinion - also not something that is intrinsically right or wrong. There is no objective standard to hold such opinions against that makes them definitively right or wrong.
You know paradox means that while at first glance the idea does not seem to make sense, but upon closer examiniation it does?
Whether you wish it or not, you do live within a society. Whether an opinion is 'manufactured' is irrelevant. It exists and is accepted. Against the opinion of the society we live in, a statement like 'women are not equal to men', is false.
Now, if we were living in a vacuum, your opinion would be correct.
All but number 2
*Enjoy the next 32 seconds (dammit)
*Enjoy the next 32 seconds (dammit)
And above your tomb, the stars will belong to us.
I like this poll, but "Being openly religious/non-religious" could have been a good option.
People get offended by the silliest thingsJohnG@lt wrote:
null. Why get your panties in a twist over what someone else does?
mind you... i still null voted.Spark wrote:
DrunkFace wrote:
The last 3. But mostly the environment one, as it's the only one that has a DIRECT impact on me, my lifestyle and my living conditions.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
Only two (maybe three, if you count the environmental one) are actually breaking any laws.
I'd have to go with the drug addict.
At least illegal aliens contribute something as a general population whereas drug addicts are a net drain on our economy/society.
I'd have to go with the drug addict.
At least illegal aliens contribute something as a general population whereas drug addicts are a net drain on our economy/society.
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― Albert Einstein
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Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular