The way you go on, I think you're one of them sometimes.lowing wrote:
To try and push this law so soon would be kind of self defeating as it would surely blow up in their faces. When the dust settles here, time will tell.Braddock wrote:
I take onboard all of your comments in this thread, and even with youagree that this law presents a great opportunity for conservative Islam, but my point is instead of viewing Islam as an evil faceless entity look at it in terms of the Muslims who actually live in this country and practice the religion. The Muslim population get along well in Irish society and have already been presented with an opportunity to exploit this new law... but they didn't. This flies in the face of the conspiracy theories you've outlined in this thread.lowing wrote:
Braddock take my post as a whole as to understand why this law is viewed the way it is. The big picture. If you want to replace "celebrate" with "support", fine.
But Islam is looking to copy it, not oppose it.
I personally believe that we will ultimately have a referendum to get rid of the law altogether and that if there ever were a cartoon controversy it would merely fast-track this process. It would be a fucking landslide, given that Muslims constitute less than 1% of the population. If, on the off chance, the referendum were to rule in favour of keeping the law it would actually be thanks to right-wing Christians (but I'm sure you'd find a way of claiming it was an Islamic conspiracy!).
Actually thats a fucking wheeker point tbh!! Lowin given the blasphemous comments published against Islam three weeks ago, could you link me to the evidence of all the Islamic outrage in gulfing the streets of Irelands Citys and town & villages as we speak, show us all the burnings of the tri-colour and the calls for be-headings from Islamic Ireland, oh, and while you're at it, the rest of Europe too please? K? thx bye...
If you are so confident, print cartoons of Muhammad, and lets see what happensIG-Calibre wrote:
Actually thats a fucking wheeker point tbh!! Lowin given the blasphemous comments published against Islam three weeks ago, could you link me to the evidence of all the Islamic outrage in gulfing the streets of Irelands Citys and town & villages as we speak, show us all the burnings of the tri-colour and the calls for be-headings from Islamic Ireland, oh, and while you're at it, the rest of Europe too please? K? thx bye...
I think you'll find the Blanket published them for about three months back at the height of the controversy in 06 - so you should have no problem then? you know linking to news stories about besieged Irish embassy's? riots on the streets of Ireland? callings for be-headings etc etc? Unless.. *** Gasp!!!!**** It's all your little conspiracy again!!!? is it lowing? is it the conspiracy again? gosh darn tootin'..lowing wrote:
If you are so confident, print cartoons of Muhammad, and lets see what happensIG-Calibre wrote:
Actually thats a fucking wheeker point tbh!! Lowin given the blasphemous comments published against Islam three weeks ago, could you link me to the evidence of all the Islamic outrage in gulfing the streets of Irelands Citys and town & villages as we speak, show us all the burnings of the tri-colour and the calls for be-headings from Islamic Ireland, oh, and while you're at it, the rest of Europe too please? K? thx bye...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2006/mar/1 … ernirelandA former IRA prisoner plans to reopen the worldwide debate over cartoons depicting Muhammad by posting the controversial pictures on a website at around 10pm tonight.
The Blanket will be the first media outlet in the British Isles to reproduce the cartoons since their publication provoked violent disturbances, boycotts and death threats. Last night British Muslims warned the website's editors that they were 'fanning the flames of anger'. With 22 million hits since it was founded five years ago, The Blanket is read around the world. Usually it posts debates about the future of Irish Republicanism, and many of its writers are highly critical of the Sinn Fein leadership. However, The Blanket's co-founder and former H-Block prisoner Anthony McIntyre said the site had decided to publish one cartoon of Muhammad per week for the next three months 'in protest against totalitarianism'.
McIntyre said: 'The spur for us was a manifesto against totalitarianism that writers such as Salman Rushdie signed up to in response to the violent reaction over the cartoons. We wanted to show solidarity with those writers who were prepared to stick their necks out in defence of free speech. We chose 12 weeks for each and every one of the writers who signed the anti-totalitarian declaration. 'We also decided to publish because the liberal media in Britain and Ireland are guilty of total cowardice. None of them let the public see these images and make up their own minds about the debate. They [the mainstream media] buckled under fear and threats.' There were, however, other reasons motivating McIntyre and his partner Carrier Twomey.
'The Irish President told a sexually segregated audience in Saudi Arabia last month that the people of Ireland deplored the publication of the cartoons,' McIntyre said. 'Who did she think she was speaking for? I live in the north of Ireland and I don't have the right to vote for her. And even if I did she doesn't represent my views on the issue.' Twomey and McIntyre, who have two young children and live in the republican Upper Springfield area of Belfast, said they were aware that publishing might put them at risk from fundamentalists. But they insist they have been under threat before, most notably from McIntyre's former comrades in the IRA. Their home has been picketed by IRA supporters for speaking out against Gerry Adams and the Sinn Fein leadership in the past. A spokesman for the Muslim Association of Britain accused The Blanket of trying to stir up fresh anger in the Islamic community.
Harris Bohkari, the MAB spokesman said: 'All credit has to go to the British papers and broadcasters who took the sensible decision not to publish that material. So you have to question the motivation of these people in doing this now. Their timing is curious because the story has moved on. It seems clear that they are just stirring things up for the sake of it. Doing this will simply rekindle all the understandable anger in the Muslim community.'
Several fringe media organisations in Britain have considered printing the cartoons as part of opening the debate about free speech and fundamentalist beliefs. The London-based magazine The Liberal intended to publish the images in its 14 February edition. However, it said it received information on 8 February from senior officers at Scotland Yard who warned that police could not guarantee protection for staff.
Still waiting Lowing.. k thx bye...
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Never heard of The Blanket" as such Iam sure its obscurity saved it. also not being a legitimate news source and nothing more than a blog had something to do with it.IG-Calibre wrote:
I think you'll find the Blanket published them for about three months back at the height of the controversy in 06 - so you should have no problem then? you know linking to news stories about besieged Irish embassy's? riots on the streets of Ireland? callings for be-headings etc etc? Unless.. *** Gasp!!!!**** It's all your little conspiracy again!!!? is it lowing? is it the conspiracy again? gosh darn tootin..lowing wrote:
If you are so confident, print cartoons of Muhammad, and lets see what happensIG-Calibre wrote:
Actually thats a fucking wheeker point tbh!! Lowin given the blasphemous comments published against Islam three weeks ago, could you link me to the evidence of all the Islamic outrage in gulfing the streets of Irelands Citys and town & villages as we speak, show us all the burnings of the tri-colour and the calls for be-headings from Islamic Ireland, oh, and while you're at it, the rest of Europe too please? K? thx bye...http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2006/mar/1 … ernirelandA former IRA prisoner plans to reopen the worldwide debate over cartoons depicting Muhammad by posting the controversial pictures on a website at around 10pm tonight.
The Blanket will be the first media outlet in the British Isles to reproduce the cartoons since their publication provoked violent disturbances, boycotts and death threats. Last night British Muslims warned the website's editors that they were 'fanning the flames of anger'. With 22 million hits since it was founded five years ago, The Blanket is read around the world. Usually it posts debates about the future of Irish Republicanism, and many of its writers are highly critical of the Sinn Fein leadership. However, The Blanket's co-founder and former H-Block prisoner Anthony McIntyre said the site had decided to publish one cartoon of Muhammad per week for the next three months 'in protest against totalitarianism'.
McIntyre said: 'The spur for us was a manifesto against totalitarianism that writers such as Salman Rushdie signed up to in response to the violent reaction over the cartoons. We wanted to show solidarity with those writers who were prepared to stick their necks out in defence of free speech. We chose 12 weeks for each and every one of the writers who signed the anti-totalitarian declaration. 'We also decided to publish because the liberal media in Britain and Ireland are guilty of total cowardice. None of them let the public see these images and make up their own minds about the debate. They [the mainstream media] buckled under fear and threats.' There were, however, other reasons motivating McIntyre and his partner Carrier Twomey.
'The Irish President told a sexually segregated audience in Saudi Arabia last month that the people of Ireland deplored the publication of the cartoons,' McIntyre said. 'Who did she think she was speaking for? I live in the north of Ireland and I don't have the right to vote for her. And even if I did she doesn't represent my views on the issue.' Twomey and McIntyre, who have two young children and live in the republican Upper Springfield area of Belfast, said they were aware that publishing might put them at risk from fundamentalists. But they insist they have been under threat before, most notably from McIntyre's former comrades in the IRA. Their home has been picketed by IRA supporters for speaking out against Gerry Adams and the Sinn Fein leadership in the past. A spokesman for the Muslim Association of Britain accused The Blanket of trying to stir up fresh anger in the Islamic community.
Harris Bohkari, the MAB spokesman said: 'All credit has to go to the British papers and broadcasters who took the sensible decision not to publish that material. So you have to question the motivation of these people in doing this now. Their timing is curious because the story has moved on. It seems clear that they are just stirring things up for the sake of it. Doing this will simply rekindle all the understandable anger in the Muslim community.'
Several fringe media organisations in Britain have considered printing the cartoons as part of opening the debate about free speech and fundamentalist beliefs. The London-based magazine The Liberal intended to publish the images in its 14 February edition. However, it said it received information on 8 February from senior officers at Scotland Yard who warned that police could not guarantee protection for staff.
Still waiting Lowing.. k thx bye...
However even in your own article, voices of concern and appeasement ring out. Decisions NOT to publish the cartoon because the safety of the staff could not be guaranteed. Now, if Islam is so stable and accepting of free speech, what safety concerns was everyone talking about?
Don't tell me, let me guess, everyone is simply paranoid, except you right?
haha - Lowing is your back not broke with constantly shifting the goal posts? instead of slabbering provide verifiable proof mate, link to some fact's that can be discussed, when asked to supply some evidence of Islamic outrage to the recently published "blasphemous comments" three weeks ago?, did you provide any? No. Your childish shit reply was "publish a cartoon and see what happens". I provided you with evidence of a "recognised media outlet" in Ireland that had in fact published the cartoon and others for months!!! and still all you can do is fucking slabber that you haven't heard of it - yet with your own eyes you read an article discussing it from one of the largets leading printed Newspapers in both the UK and Ireland & still no sign of this Irish Islamic outrage.. WANKER!! YOU'RE A WANKER LOWING..
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using shariwatch as your source than dismissing ig-calibres source is a bit lulzy
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wait...lowing wrote:
If you are so confident, print cartoons of Muhammad, and lets see what happensIG-Calibre wrote:
Actually thats a fucking wheeker point tbh!! Lowin given the blasphemous comments published against Islam three weeks ago, could you link me to the evidence of all the Islamic outrage in gulfing the streets of Irelands Citys and town & villages as we speak, show us all the burnings of the tri-colour and the calls for be-headings from Islamic Ireland, oh, and while you're at it, the rest of Europe too please? K? thx bye...
so, you said print blasphemous stuff...
so he found blasphemous stuff printed...
so you find the examples of rebellion to his printed stuff???
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Lets see "The Blanket" blog..........That no longer exists...........right?IG-Calibre wrote:
haha - Lowing is your back not broke with constantly shifting the goal posts? instead of slabbering provide verifiable proof mate, link to some fact's that can be discussed, when asked to supply some evidence of Islamic outrage to the recently published "blasphemous comments" three weeks ago?, did you provide any? No. Your childish shit reply was "publish a cartoon and see what happens". I provided you with evidence of a "recognised media outlet" in Ireland that had in fact published the cartoon and others for months!!! and still all you can do is fucking slabber that you haven't heard of it - yet with your own eyes you read an article discussing it from one of the largets leading printed Newspapers in both the UK and Ireland & still no sign of this Irish Islamic outrage.. WANKER!! YOU'RE A WANKER LOWING..
also a blog is hardly a major media news outlet. I did notice Ireland REAL major news outlets refused to publish the cartoons, a point you conveniently ignored.
I was speaking of Irish newspapers, not someones blog.Morpheus wrote:
wait...lowing wrote:
If you are so confident, print cartoons of Muhammad, and lets see what happensIG-Calibre wrote:
Actually thats a fucking wheeker point tbh!! Lowin given the blasphemous comments published against Islam three weeks ago, could you link me to the evidence of all the Islamic outrage in gulfing the streets of Irelands Citys and town & villages as we speak, show us all the burnings of the tri-colour and the calls for be-headings from Islamic Ireland, oh, and while you're at it, the rest of Europe too please? K? thx bye...
so, you said print blasphemous stuff...
so he found blasphemous stuff printed...
so you find the examples of rebellion to his printed stuff???
Ireland declared such action was risky and could not guarantee the safety of the newspaper staff that did it. So the papers backed down. have they made such a proclamation over your Catholic cartoon?
how is shariawatch etc any better?
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Of course it is, anything that disagrees with you is not an appropriate source. it is a common theme in this forum. Never mind if the facts are represented for the argument.FatherTed wrote:
using shariwatch as your source than dismissing ig-calibres source is a bit lulzy
By the way I like religionofpeace as a fair source of information. read its disclaimer about Muslims and then tell me it is irrational propaganda, or if you just hate reading shit you disagree with.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages … uslims.htm
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages/AboutSite.htm
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
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you make me laugh. like not the usual default 'lol' reply accompanied by no actual laughing in real life, but rather proper real life laughter. keep it up.
you make me laugh. like not the usual default 'lol' reply accompanied by no actual laughing in real life, but rather proper real life laughter. keep it up.
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go figure. Dismissal is also a common theme in this forum when arguments you disagree with are presented.FatherTed wrote:
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you make me laugh. like not the usual default 'lol' reply accompanied by no actual laughing in real life, but rather proper real life laughter. keep it up.
it's not so much dismissal...it's that you keep banging the same broken drum time and time again, and it's no longer enjoyable to debate with you on certain topics. you never concede points, you never acknowledge other peoples opinions and you never know when to cut and run. And as such on certain topics, there really is no point trying with you. because the end result is inevitable, a threadnought of stupid replys with no end in sight.
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Actually it is a dismissal,not now or ever have you acknowledged anything in thses sources as fact or worthy of discussion.FatherTed wrote:
it's not so much dismissal...it's that you keep banging the same broken drum time and time again, and it's no longer enjoyable to debate with you on certain topics. you never concede points, you never acknowledge other peoples opinions and you never know when to cut and run. And as such on certain topics, there really is no point trying with you. because the end result is inevitable, a threadnought of stupid replys with no end in sight.
I am sorry, stupid replies consist of insults not an actual response in the context of the discussion. Go lecture your camp on the topic of proper discussion.
You are right about one thing however, trying to convince me that Islam is NOT violent, or does not view inequality as acceptable, or is a tolerant religion simply ain't gunna happen. Way too much out there that supports the contrary.
Indidvidual Muslims maybe, but not the religion of Islam.
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exactly my point.FatherTed wrote:
sigh.
by the way, you are a mod, and yet you let these insults and personal attacks continue while I have been trying to hold a civil discussion. Does not speak well of yours, or any other mods sense of "unbiased" moderating.
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im a mod? i wish lol
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So let me get this straight. Islamo Terrorists are still trying to kill a guy of a 4 year old picture of Mohammad with a bomb in his turban and the forum idiots want to argue whether it is dangerous to print stuff that Islamic Terrorists consider blasphemy against their god/religion.
hmmm, let me think about this simple concept after the 10 pages of bickering.....
Sorry, can't go with the forum idiots on this one but damn do they type a lot.
hmmm, let me think about this simple concept after the 10 pages of bickering.....
Sorry, can't go with the forum idiots on this one but damn do they type a lot.
Since when were people arguing if it was dangerous? Correct me if i'm wrong, but haven't they been arguing over the reasons for the introduction of this law? lowing saying its appeasing muslims (or whatever) and everybody else saying that its clearing up a grey area in a stupid law that is now even more stupid and is more based around the denominational problems in Ireland...Lotta_Drool wrote:
So let me get this straight. Islamo Terrorists are still trying to kill a guy of a 4 year old picture of Mohammad with a bomb in his turban and the forum idiots want to argue whether it is dangerous to print stuff that Islamic Terrorists consider blasphemy against their god/religion.
hmmm, let me think about this simple concept after the 10 pages of bickering.....
Sorry, can't go with the forum idiots on this one but damn do they type a lot.
You are not wrong, but people were arguing that it was safe to piss off the religion of peace as evidence that it had nothing to do with islam.Little BaBy JESUS wrote:
Since when were people arguing if it was dangerous? Correct me if i'm wrong, but haven't they been arguing over the reasons for the introduction of this law? lowing saying its appeasing muslims (or whatever) and everybody else saying that its clearing up a grey area in a stupid law that is now even more stupid and is more based around the denominational problems in Ireland...Lotta_Drool wrote:
So let me get this straight. Islamo Terrorists are still trying to kill a guy of a 4 year old picture of Mohammad with a bomb in his turban and the forum idiots want to argue whether it is dangerous to print stuff that Islamic Terrorists consider blasphemy against their god/religion.
hmmm, let me think about this simple concept after the 10 pages of bickering.....
Sorry, can't go with the forum idiots on this one but damn do they type a lot.
Frankly I blacked out a couple times while reading due to stupid comments, so ignore my rant but it should go well with the rest of the thread.
Yeah because the main driving force behind it died you schlub, nothing to do with the reprinting of the cartoons which continued for months back in 06 - which by the way you have not demonstrated a single shred of evidence of Irish Islamic outrage in response to, or, even with the most recent content published 3 weeks ago for that matter. Nothing, nada, zip.lowing wrote:
Lets see "The Blanket" blog..........That no longer exists...........right?.IG-Calibre wrote:
haha - Lowing is your back not broke with constantly shifting the goal posts? instead of slabbering provide verifiable proof mate, link to some fact's that can be discussed, when asked to supply some evidence of Islamic outrage to the recently published "blasphemous comments" three weeks ago?, did you provide any? No. Your childish shit reply was "publish a cartoon and see what happens". I provided you with evidence of a "recognised media outlet" in Ireland that had in fact published the cartoon and others for months!!! and still all you can do is fucking slabber that you haven't heard of it - yet with your own eyes you read an article discussing it from one of the largets leading printed Newspapers in both the UK and Ireland & still no sign of this Irish Islamic outrage.. WANKER!! YOU'RE A WANKER LOWING..
So in summing up -
You said the Irish Reform was in response to the Danish cartoons - The "Facts" show you're wrong
You then tried to say the reform was to appease Islamic Ireland - The "Facts" show you're wrong.
You have been given examples of "Blasphemy" against Islam in Ireland - both at the height of the whole Danish debacle in 06 & again 3 weeks ago - have you been able to demonstrate the rage of Islamic Ireland? No.
You can't supply a shred of evidence to support your irrational views Lowing - and when you have tried, you have shown that you actually haven't even understood what was being talked about. The fact is you only see the right words to trigger your rabid responses. You then posted a programme that dismissed any claims vaguely like yours INSTANTLY as rubbish.
So until you can present facts that can be discussed to support your "opinions" the debate like your opinion is worthless, as you give nothing but irrational nonsense, which you say you can't supply evidence to support because of "A PC CONSPIRACY", and, then your feathers get all ruffled when you're called a wanker?.. LOLOWING
fuck me popcorn's ran out
I have voiced an opinion that the actions of Ireland is the same path as the rest of Europe.. appeasement. Ireland refused to re-print the pictures for fear of backlash, this is a fact. your president condemned the printing of the cartoons as well, another fact. You wanna count some obscure blog fine, not exactly what I had in mind however. This is an opinion shared by writers in your own newspapers, and commentary on your own news channels, this is also a fact.IG-Calibre wrote:
Yeah because the main driving force behind it died you schlub, nothing to do with the reprinting of the cartoons which continued for months back in 06 - which by the way you have not demonstrated a single shred of evidence of Irish Islamic outrage in response to, or, even with the most recent content published 3 weeks ago for that matter. Nothing, nada, zip.lowing wrote:
Lets see "The Blanket" blog..........That no longer exists...........right?.IG-Calibre wrote:
haha - Lowing is your back not broke with constantly shifting the goal posts? instead of slabbering provide verifiable proof mate, link to some fact's that can be discussed, when asked to supply some evidence of Islamic outrage to the recently published "blasphemous comments" three weeks ago?, did you provide any? No. Your childish shit reply was "publish a cartoon and see what happens". I provided you with evidence of a "recognised media outlet" in Ireland that had in fact published the cartoon and others for months!!! and still all you can do is fucking slabber that you haven't heard of it - yet with your own eyes you read an article discussing it from one of the largets leading printed Newspapers in both the UK and Ireland & still no sign of this Irish Islamic outrage.. WANKER!! YOU'RE A WANKER LOWING..
So in summing up -
You said the Irish Reform was in response to the Danish cartoons - The "Facts" show you're wrong
You then tried to say the reform was to appease Islamic Ireland - The "Facts" show you're wrong.
You have been given examples of "Blasphemy" against Islam in Ireland - both at the height of the whole Danish debacle in 06 & again 3 weeks ago - have you been able to demonstrate the rage of Islamic Ireland? No.
You can't supply a shred of evidence to support your irrational views Lowing - and when you have tried, you have shown that you actually haven't even understood what was being talked about. The fact is you only see the right words to trigger your rabid responses. You then posted a programme that dismissed any claims vaguely like yours INSTANTLY as rubbish.
So until you can present facts that can be discussed to support your "opinions" the debate like your opinion is worthless, as you give nothing but irrational nonsense, which you say you can't supply evidence to support because of "A PC CONSPIRACY", and, then your feathers get all ruffled when you're called a wanker?.. LOLOWING
Ireland like the rest of europe, has a track record for appeasement and denial. Islam welcomes your new laws while the west is appalled by it, either by accident or on purpose, the fact still remains, Ireland is pleasing the wrong people. fact
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