BF2S Forums What's The Difference? (Haiti)

Braddock wrote:

lowing wrote:

And how many different rules do professional soccer players in the same league play by? One?

Depends on the competition and the governing body! For example a premiership league match will play 90 minutes with no extra-time or penalty shoot-outs, and an English knock-out competition such as the FA cup will have replays in the event of a draw, and penalties in the event of the replay being a draw. By contrast a UEFA match will use the away goals rule and even play with extra referees behind the goal-line... but it's all still soccer! And in any case, using your soccer analogy I could compare Shia Islam to the Premiership and Sunni Islam to the UEFA Champions league. Most religions have divisions and schisms; saying that one extremist interpretation is the only true definition of a religion is ridiculously blinkered and quite ignorant tbh.

lowing wrote:

I do not see Islam as modernizing, I see it as intrusive and ever more demanding of others to accommodate it, rather than Islams determination to assimilate to the west. Like it or not there is plenty of evidence to support that opinion.

You mean on islam-watch.org? There's also plenty of evidence of Muslims integrating quite happily into Western society, you just choose to ignore it. To illustrate this point I will draw your attention to a of list quotes published by the 'Atheist Ireland' group on the 1st of January to test the new law...

• Conor Cruise O’Brien, 1989: “In the last century the Arab thinker Jamal al-Afghani wrote: 'Every Muslim is sick and his only remedy is in the Koran’. Unfortunately the sickness gets worse the more the remedy is taken.”

• Salman Rushdie, 1990: “The idea of the sacred is quite simply one of the most conservative notions in any culture, because it seeks to turn other ideas – uncertainty, progress, change – into crimes.”

• Pope Benedict XVI quoting a 14th century Byzantine emperor, 2006: “Show me just what Muhammad brought that was new and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached”.

• Tim Minchin, Ten-foot Cock and a Few Hundred Virgins, 2005: “So you’re gonna live in paradise, With a ten-foot cock and a few hundred virgins, So you’re gonna sacrifice your life, For a shot at the greener grass, And when the Lord comes down with his shiny rod of judgment, He’s gonna kick my heathen ass.”

...to my knowledge, not one Muslim has taken to the streets of Ireland to protest these blasphemous comments against Islam lowing, not one. Please explain.

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Braddock wrote:

lowing wrote:

because they are not practicing Islam. It goes back to my previous post. They might be good people, but they are not practicing Islam the way it is taught written and practiced by Muahammad. Even True Muslims would find these good people as the enemy, and have in fact.

great quotes by the way. Wonder what makes these people feel this way about Islam. Any guesses?

Also back to soccer, the point is, during a game there is only 1 rule book being used and all players play by it. Or is it during the world cup players are allowed to pick and choose which rules they shall follow?

1. Are they not practicing 'true' Islam? Really? Well guess what, I don't care. I get along well with them, as does the rest of Irish society by the looks of things. At least you're acknowledging that we have no problem with Islamic extremism here.

2. Getting back to the soccer analogy... Christianity has a wide variety of rule books, Judaism has a wide variety of rule books, and so does Islam... who cares? I certainly don't think many Muslims care whether you regard them to be 'true' Muslims or not. Your personal opinion on Islam is certainly not the be all and end all on the matter.

PS: They are great quotes I agree, I have little time for religion... I just respect the rights of people who wish to practice their religion in peace is all.

Braddock wrote:

lowing wrote:

Braddock wrote:

1. Are they not practicing 'true' Islam? Really? Well guess what, I don't care. I get along well with them, as does the rest of Irish society by the looks of things. At least you're acknowledging that we have no problem with Islamic extremism here.

2. Getting back to the soccer analogy... Christianity has a wide variety of rule books, Judaism has a wide variety of rule books, and so does Islam... who cares? I certainly don't think many Muslims care whether you regard them to be 'true' Muslims or not. Your personal opinion on Islam is certainly not the be all and end all on the matter.

PS: They are great quotes I agree, I have little time for religion... I just respect the rights of people who wish to practice their religion in peace is all.

1. That is fine Braddock as long as you acknowledge that people can call themselves whatever they want, it does not make it so.

2. Where would you get the impression that I thought my opinions WERE the end all and be all to any subject? These are MY opinions and I express them. either agree or not, really does not matter to me. However i have more fun when you disagree . Please remember who the members are on this forum that insist on insults and tirades. Do you really think I take this very seriously?

Not my question, my question was where in the world would people such as those apparently quote worthy, get such notions about Islam?

Is it the Islam bit or the militant extremism bit you have a bone to pick with? Because just when I think you are opposed to the militancy element you start giving out about moderate Muslims not adhering strictly to the most extremist interpretation of the faith. If you are like me and want to see a world free of terror then just rejoice in the fact that Muslims' view of the world are softening over the course of time. Who cares what they want to call it? I don't care if a Jew wants to have mad looking curly hair, as long as he's not stoning people to death for taking Jehovah's name in vain it's all cool with me. You can put on a shiny gold hat and call yourself the grand Wazoo of Scientology if you like, it's fine with me.

By the way, those quotes had bad things to say about pretty much every faith... they're all good quotes. Mankind's future lies in atheism, one day.

lowing wrote:

Braddock wrote:

lowing wrote:

Because Islam is becoming more militant, not less over the course of time. Islam has momentum and that momentum is spreading.

Islam is dangerous because  it has disguised itself into something it clearly is not. It is not westernized, it clearly does not hold freedom sacred, and it clearly has its own ideas as to what western  society is supposed to be.

Seriously lowing, listen to yourself. You think every Muslim is lying in wait to slit our throats? Seek help buddy.

Read any book about Islamic history and then reconsider your claim that Islam is getting MORE militant over the course of history. It may still be very violent but it's not getting more violent, take US meddling in the Middle East out of the equation and it would probably be fast-tracked on the way to a more peaceful future.

Did not say every Muslim is lying in wait to slit our throats. I am saying ISLAM is more intrusive on the west and that Islamic ideology against equality and freedom is following. If you re-read my post, violence is not a word I mentioned.

lowing wrote:

Braddock wrote:

lowing wrote:

Did not say every Muslim is lying in wait to slit our throats. I am saying ISLAM is more intrusive on the west and that Islamic ideology against equality and freedom is following. If you re-read my post, violence is not a word I mentioned.

I don't know what kind of nutcases American society is breeding lowing but the average Western Muslim over here is closer to m3thod than 'crazy Muslim with a hook'. If you think m3thod is an infidel-slaying savage who shuns Western society then you really don't know Western Muslims.

Didn't say M3thod or any other Muslim is an infidel-slaying savage, get back with me when you address what I actually post instead of making up posts for me, for you to argue against.

lowing wrote:

Braddock wrote:

lowing wrote:

Didn't say M3thod or any other Muslim is an infidel-slaying savage, get back with me when you address what I actually post instead of making up posts for me, for you to argue against.

You talk about Islam in terms of these extreme absolutes but the minute someone asks you about real people you get all shy.

Yes Braddock, I talk about ISLAM a religion. Islam is a thing, It is judged by its teachings, by its ideology. Muslims are people, individuals who are judged by their actions, just like everyone else. We have been through this before Braddock. There is a difference.

Now if you want to address what I actually said I will comment.