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and once all the oil is gone...how are you guys going to function?...just sayin

..teddy..jimmy wrote:

and once all the oil is gone...how are you guys going to function?...just sayin

We'll adjust by building nuclear plants and electric cars and other such niceties while your own country slides back into economic obscurity and your standard of living drops down to the level of any resource-poor, backwater country.

..teddy..jimmy wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

..teddy..jimmy wrote:

Gee don't you just love a healthy (massive) oil fund and hefty gas supply...wooohooo

...and like I said we pollute but our levels are nowhere near as excessive per capita than America's...especially since our main energy supply is hydro

Really? That's nice. You're still the 6th largest producer of oil in the world and export to countries not blessed with a large amount of fjords to be tapped for hydroelectric power. You also have the 6th largest merchant fleet in the world and merchant ships are the biggest polluters on the planet. Your entire society is founded on selling pollutants to the rest of the world. It's cool that your own home can be powered by hydroelectricity but the money in your pocket is entirely dependent on selling pollutants.

Oh, and you're also profiting from the war in Iraq rather handsomely since Statoil bought up a giant oil field in Iraq. Norwegians are so cool and innocent

yet you guys are semi responsible for the majority of consumption in fear of cutting down on lavish energy rich lifestyles. All we do is supply...consume less and part the problem is gone.

Drug dealers use the same logic

..teddy..jimmy wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

..teddy..jimmy wrote:

and once all the oil is gone...how are you guys going to function?...just sayin

We'll adjust by building nuclear plants and electric cars and other such niceties while your own country slides back into economic obscurity and your standard of living drops down to the level of any resource-poor, backwater country.

lol you think it's that simple?

Yes. The flow of oil isn't going to stop overnight. Prices will rise and alternative energy sources will become more attractive when they do. There will be plenty of incentive and time to change how our economy functions.

JohnG@lt wrote:

while your own country slides back into economic obscurity and your standard of living drops down to the level of any resource-poor, backwater country.

Doesn't really make any sense, I think most Western nations are planning for a future without fossil fuels. Some more than others, and the US is certainly not leading the revolution. You guys have big oil in your government that'll do anything to stop it for as long as possible. Don't look towards the US for the anti-fossil revolution, more likely Europe, Asia or even South America. Brazil seem to be doing quite a good job.

Right now, some 80% of France's electricity is nuclear. You continue thinking that the US will survive and the rest of the world will falter once fossil fuels are stopped. Because it's looking like the other way round instead.

Last edited by Mekstizzle (2010-01-13 09:42:28)

Mekstizzle wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

while your own country slides back into economic obscurity and your standard of living drops down to the level of any resource-poor, backwater country.

Doesn't really make any sense, I think most Western nations are planning for a future without fossil fuels. Some more than others, and the US is certainly not leading the revolution. You guys have big oil in your government that'll do anything to stop it for as long as possible. Don't look towards the US for the anti-fossil revolution, more likely Europe, Asia or even South America. Brazil seem to be doing quite a good job.

Right now, some 80% of France's electricity is nuclear. You continue thinking that the US will survive and the rest of the world will falter once fossil fuels are stopped. Because it's looking like the other way round instead.

No, the only countries that will falter heavily are those that produce and export oil as their primary revenue stream. Oil makes up 45% of Norways exports and 20% of it's GDP. Oil goes away and they're in for a serious hurting.

Norwegians and others can thumb their nose at dirty Americans etc but we're the ones that are sustaining their economy.

Last edited by JohnG@lt (2010-01-13 09:46:20)

JohnG@lt wrote:

ruisleipa wrote:

The average American consumes more than his or her weight in products each day, fuelling a global culture of excess that is emerging as the biggest threat to the planet

Let's see. I'm an average American. So far today I have consumed two eggs, two pieces of sausage and two pancakes. ..blah blah blah... The rest of my day looks very similar to what my morning has entailed.

The second half of the sentence, ignoring the obvious misspelled word, is nothing more than drivel designed to incite and scare the reader.

I'm done with this trash.

LOL well I'll just start and finish here by saying a) it says AVERAGE American consumer, y'know, not johngalt personally, and not today specifically! You didn't buy a car, TV, washing machine today, I presume? And perhaps, y'know, you consume LESS than average and some people consumer MORE than average, since that's how those average things work, yeah?

and b) fuelling ISN'T MISSPELT! Nice try though! Better consult a dictionary next time [edit: civilisation isn't spelled incorrectly either! Geez I know you're an American but you know the Brits spell some English words differently than you Yanks yeah? I'm splitting my sides over here. Just gonna get another beer and I'll be right back to continue the show.]

Also, I only posted this article, I didn't write it, so I should point out I couldn't care less if you want to waste your time 'taking it apart', 'line by line' or not.

So there! You're full of rubbish too. plus, you're obviously not 'done with this trash' since you keep on posting! lmao...keep em coming matey!

read you again in about two minutes probably!

Last edited by ruisleipa (2010-01-13 10:34:22)

Pug wrote:

ruisleipa wrote:

I don't mind discussion of it, I'm just saying, get a grip.

Same goes for you.   YOU could start discussing it then instead of insulting everyone?

So far, you are congratulating yourself on opening up a thread and trolling anyone who responds.

QFT

Pug wrote:

ruisleipa wrote:

I don't mind discussion of it, I'm just saying, get a grip.

Same goes for you.   YOU could start discussing it then instead of insulting everyone?

So far, you are congratulating yourself on opening up a thread and trolling anyone who responds.

Edit: ahh, the above is a start

I have got a grip, thanks. I posted it cos I thought it would be interesting. People were saying it's a biased news report etc. I argued it's not biased. Does trolling = disagreeing in your book or wot?

I'm not congratulating myself at all. No-one needs to respond if they don't want to, and I couldn't care less. Same goes for you and Mr. 'QFT' there. As for galt, he gives as good as he gets. My last response was merely pointing out that he's not so brilliant as he thinks he is, at least when it comes to spelling. Regular internet forum rules apply, i.e. you don't like it, you don't need to post.

Last edited by ruisleipa (2010-01-13 11:00:43)

Why's that? I'm perfectly happy letting other debate it. I only said anything when people were saying it was a biased report. IMO it's not biased, it's a fair and accurate piece of journalism. Whether the report on which it is based is accurate or not is another thing.

If you want my opinion about consumerism, and I'm so flattered that you ask, then of course we should consume less, it's blatantly obvious. And if it is true, as seems to be the case, that Americans consume more of just about everything (or if not the most, then they're certainly one of the major consumer groups) in the world, then Americans should drastically reduce their consumer habits too.

Otherwsie, yeah, we're all fucked.

OK?

Can you be more specific about Nokia?

Cell phones are one of the leading causes of e-waste, and has one, if not the largest, marketshares of cell phone sales in the world, and in the US.

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

What exactly are the problems stated in the article, besides the need for alternative energy (hurr durr)? "Consumption" is not a problem. Mass consumption in certain circumstances can lead to problems, but the article just leveraged the negative and frankly somewhat anti-American connotation of the word to manage to say absolutely nothing.

It's obviously sensationalistic for a reason, but beyond that, I'm not sure the average American consumes 185 lbs of products daily.  If that was true, wtf economy?