BF2S Forums UK Universities Warn That They Face 'Meltdown'

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THANK YOU KEATING BRO YOU ARE EPIC.

If you raise fee's in universities you'll create a situation where only the rich will be able to afford education and the poor will not! Not good in my eyes as everyone is or should be entitled to an education if they so choose. Yes uni's are fooked at the moment but so is everyone else, it seems as if it is easier to cut money from the things that the U.K holds dear, NHS, School/Educational Establishments than for the government to admit that they have done a lot wrong recently. I mean come on look at all the people in the civil service, it takes 5 people to do 1 job at the moment, due to health and safety concerns and so fourth. Its a farce to be honest People need to work harder and bring more productivity to the UK in general, but I speak for few of us out here that do work hard.

artofsurvival wrote:

a lot of stuff...entitled...a lot of stuff

I think this is where the fundamental disagreement lies.

Forcing universities to up their prices until only the rich can afford it would be stupid. It would render the UK unable to compete in the future once the next generation retires. It make work in the US, but over here a lot of people cannot afford the 20/30,000k worth of debt they leave university with, so the amount of people who would pay 150,000k would be practically none. It's already at a point where people have to consider whether a degree is worth that amount of debt, but with US pricing it would create a serious drought on employees with higher education.

FEOS wrote:

ghettoperson wrote:

Forcing universities to up their prices until only the rich can afford it would be stupid. It would render the UK unable to compete in the future once the next generation retires. It make work in the US, but over here a lot of people cannot afford the 20/30,000k worth of debt they leave university with, so the amount of people who would pay 150,000k would be practically none. It's already at a point where people have to consider whether a degree is worth that amount of debt, but with US pricing it would create a serious drought on employees with higher education.

4k a year of personal expense for an education is considered excessive? Seriously? Considering you leave with a college degree and prospects for a good-paying profession afterward where you can rapidly pay off that rather pittance of a debt (more like an investment, tbh).

As Turq says WRT health care "it works elsewhere, so it must work here". It works here, so it must work there. I just think people don't want to assume personal risk for personal gain.

Bear in mind here tuition fees doesn't include accommodation like it does in the States, so it's more like 7.5k, not including food/books and the like. Which I think actually makes it fairly comparable to going to an in-state college ? But yes, to most people in the UK that's a lot of money, especially given the current jobs market. I have friends who one year on from graduating are still working in supermarkets.

At the end of the day, people are willing to go 30k into debt in order to get a better job, but 130k? In order to pay that off, you'd be wanting to get straight into a job paying 50k PA to make it worthwhile.

ghettoperson wrote:

FEOS wrote:

ghettoperson wrote:

Forcing universities to up their prices until only the rich can afford it would be stupid. It would render the UK unable to compete in the future once the next generation retires. It make work in the US, but over here a lot of people cannot afford the 20/30,000k worth of debt they leave university with, so the amount of people who would pay 150,000k would be practically none. It's already at a point where people have to consider whether a degree is worth that amount of debt, but with US pricing it would create a serious drought on employees with higher education.

4k a year of personal expense for an education is considered excessive? Seriously? Considering you leave with a college degree and prospects for a good-paying profession afterward where you can rapidly pay off that rather pittance of a debt (more like an investment, tbh).

As Turq says WRT health care "it works elsewhere, so it must work here". It works here, so it must work there. I just think people don't want to assume personal risk for personal gain.

Bear in mind here tuition fees doesn't include accommodation like it does in the States, so it's more like 7.5k, not including food/books and the like. Which I think actually makes it fairly comparable to going to an in-state college ? But yes, to most people in the UK that's a lot of money, especially given the current jobs market. I have friends who one year on from graduating are still working in supermarkets.

At the end of the day, people are willing to go 30k into debt in order to get a better job, but 130k? In order to pay that off, you'd be wanting to get straight into a job paying 50k PA to make it worthwhile.

tuition and dorms/food are separate fees.

JohnG@lt wrote:

ghettoperson wrote:

FEOS wrote:

4k a year of personal expense for an education is considered excessive? Seriously? Considering you leave with a college degree and prospects for a good-paying profession afterward where you can rapidly pay off that rather pittance of a debt (more like an investment, tbh).

As Turq says WRT health care "it works elsewhere, so it must work here". It works here, so it must work there. I just think people don't want to assume personal risk for personal gain.

Bear in mind here tuition fees doesn't include accommodation like it does in the States, so it's more like 7.5k, not including food/books and the like. Which I think actually makes it fairly comparable to going to an in-state college ? But yes, to most people in the UK that's a lot of money, especially given the current jobs market. I have friends who one year on from graduating are still working in supermarkets.

At the end of the day, people are willing to go 30k into debt in order to get a better job, but 130k? In order to pay that off, you'd be wanting to get straight into a job paying 50k PA to make it worthwhile.

tuition and dorms/food are separate fees.

Really? I'm pretty sure Princeton and places that are charging 45k include accommodation in that.

The UK is already screwed...I'll work in the city for a couple years and then I'm out of that melting pot.

I haven't read up, but it'll probably affect me, being not only international, but also a Non-EU student.

Oh well. We have sweet students loans over here (£25k/year ftw), so it's k.

ghettoperson wrote:

But state colleges get funding from the government don't they?

They do, but the vast majority of money they make comes from tuition.

Average College Prices 2009-10
Private four-year $26,273

Public four-year $7,020

lowing wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Instead of cutting back on education, the U.K. should cut back on pensions.

Of all the social safety nets out there, the one that never really makes sense in the long run is retirement.  Healthcare, education, and temporary help between jobs makes sense, but retirement is a personal responsibility.

I see, your retirement is YOUR responsibility, but your health care and your education is supposed to be MY responsibility? I loathe the day. As far as unemployment, that is insurance people who work pay for, they are owed that.

If it's any consolation lowing, you'll have a lot fewer people on welfare if you make it easier for them to get educated and stay healthy.

Think of it like this...  your choices are the following...

1) Let the market clear everything, but the resulting poverty leads to a lot of crime and a much more dangerous society to live in

2) Socialize education and healthcare, so that there are fewer people in poverty, and they tend to not cost as much from showing up in the ER as often

Like it or not, poverty will always exist, and as long as you live in a society, you'll have to pay somewhat for the mistakes of others.