Thought it might be interesting to read your opinions on this.
I'ma start it off in my usual hostile fashion by putting up a post I made elsewhere.
I know we have a number of christian and other religious folk on here, I'm interested in sharing opinions.
Paper, scissors, ROCK!
I'ma start it off in my usual hostile fashion by putting up a post I made elsewhere.
This comes from here: http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/sh … t=abortionme wrote:
The abortion debate has passed into farce.
6000 children die each fucking day from lack of access to fresh water and you sit here discussing an individuals decision to terminate a single fucking foetus? This is a sickening effect of moral isolationism.
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Is it that we are blinded by our own media and it's lack of coverage or do we really not comprehend the fact that children die everyday from something so utterly banal?
Why does this debate cause such strong emotion in people? Protection of infants is one of the three essential underpinnings of any society (the other two being truth-telling and the banning of murder), so this is partly why, as a society we feel such outrage when a child is harmed, because this is a fundamental violation of what should be. However it does not follow that we can form such an emotional attachment to a foetus in a woman's womb. This child was unplanned, obviously unwanted, how is it an addition to our society? How does this affect our capacity to exist? Were someone into post term-abortion (something which I advocate regularly in the pit) then there is a problem, this is murder of a sentient creature.
How on earth is it up to you to dictate to a women what she will do with her child? How can we legislate against individual choice? This is what you are doing. You have NO right to tell a women 'you must bear the child, for the rest of your life'.
What if she's an incapable mother? A drug addict, a prostitute. What if she's a really nice person but just doesn't want a child? None of these mothers are going to give their child the attention, nourishment and upbringing that will be essential for it to operate in society. Would you farm out the children to be adopted? Where will you find these people in the immense volumes required? If you do find them, why aren't they having their own? Impotency incidence does not match the occurence of abortion.
So, because she had unprotected sex she should bear the responsibilities of her actions? Stop trotting out the same mindless aphorisms we were all subjected to in sex ed. For one broken condom or one night of sexual congress you would commit this person to 18 years of parental responsibility? Let's forget the fact that this person is not responsible enough to use a condom; we are not this harsh with murderers. The scale of punishment that you ascribe to this is akin to hanging someone for not paying a parking ticket. Your logic is flawed.
Will you tell me now it's immoral and it's murder? Bugger off to the third world and see what blood our indifference there has shed. The double standard here practically screams 'wake the fuck up'.
And where is the male in all this? Do those of you against abortion see no responsibility for the male? When debating abortion I often get the sense that these so called 'pro-lifers' have absolved the male of fault, or at least assigned a diminished responsibility. So often it is vilification of the mother that sits at the head of your outrage.
---as to the case stated at the start of the thread, there is no logical problem here, merely an affect of law. To 'throw the book at him' so to speak. It is more an additional punishment for his crime than a comment on the potentiality of the foetus.
(And I've left many open points so as to encourage debate, so don't think to zing me unless you've really thought about it and have an entirely new angle to discuss)
I know we have a number of christian and other religious folk on here, I'm interested in sharing opinions.
Paper, scissors, ROCK!