...because you are about to be paying for other peoples' abortions. Nelson lost my vote.
I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something. - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.
Cheaper than funding orphanages.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
Crime rate drops too.JohnG@lt wrote:
Cheaper than funding orphanages.
Unwanted babies make the best prostitutes later in life.
Sober enough to know what I'm doing, drunk enough to really enjoy doing it
Better a dead baby now than a criminal in the future.
because we all know they will turn into criminals
Statistically speaking, 3/4 of them will be.SEREMAKER wrote:
because we all know they will turn into criminals
Why would anyone want an abortion? Because they are unfit to raise a child due to bad relationships, age and economic issues. If you're thinking about an abortion, you will not be a fit parent anyway.
lolCybargs wrote:
If you're thinking about an abortion, you will not be a fit parent anyway.
Bullshit. Show me the statistic.Cybargs wrote:
Statistically speaking, 3/4 of them will be.SEREMAKER wrote:
because we all know they will turn into criminals
Why would anyone want an abortion? Because they are unfit to raise a child due to bad relationships, age and economic issues. If you're thinking about an abortion, you will not be a fit parent anyway.
I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something. - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.
I don't think I would trust a figure that says 'x% of babies that would have been aborted have grown into criminals.' since that sounds like total bullshit and the methods for data collection probably wouldn't be much better. Do they ask the mothers if they think, later on, that they should have had an abortion? There are obvious problems with that.DBBrinson1 wrote:
Bullshit. Show me the statistic.Cybargs wrote:
Statistically speaking, 3/4 of them will be.SEREMAKER wrote:
because we all know they will turn into criminals
Why would anyone want an abortion? Because they are unfit to raise a child due to bad relationships, age and economic issues. If you're thinking about an abortion, you will not be a fit parent anyway.
Legislating morality is more expensive... not to mention socialist too.
Saying no because you don't like paying the taxes is being a fiscal conservative, but saying no because of moral objection well that makes you a socialist. And I guess that's the internal dirty handshake in the GOP between conservatives and socialists.
Saying no because you don't like paying the taxes is being a fiscal conservative, but saying no because of moral objection well that makes you a socialist. And I guess that's the internal dirty handshake in the GOP between conservatives and socialists.
I don't get how the same person that is against capital punishment can be all for killing unborn babies. Sounds ass backwards to me.
and, the inverse too - how if someone's against abortion, how they can be for capital punishment.CC-Marley wrote:
I don't get how the same person that is against capital punishment can be all for killing unborn babies. Sounds ass backwards to me.
The baby did nothing except come into existence. A criminal on death row? There is a difference.burnzz wrote:
and, the inverse too - how if someone's against abortion, how they can be for capital punishment.CC-Marley wrote:
I don't get how the same person that is against capital punishment can be all for killing unborn babies. Sounds ass backwards to me.
I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something. - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.
Welcome to EuropeCC-Marley wrote:
I don't get how the same person that is against capital punishment can be all for killing unborn babies. Sounds ass backwards to me.
there is a difference in the lives involved - fetus, < nine months, criminal > nine months +.DBBrinson1 wrote:
The baby did nothing except come into existence. A criminal on death row? There is a difference.
what i'm saying is a death sentence carried out by other people is still a death sentence carried out by other people.
btw, i'm for capital punishment.
Except the fetus isn't really a baby yet. If the fetus can't survive outside the womb, is it really 'alive'?DBBrinson1 wrote:
The baby did nothing except come into existence. A criminal on death row? There is a difference.burnzz wrote:
and, the inverse too - how if someone's against abortion, how they can be for capital punishment.CC-Marley wrote:
I don't get how the same person that is against capital punishment can be all for killing unborn babies. Sounds ass backwards to me.
Go Toenails
when does existence start for a fetus?DBBrinson1 wrote:
The baby did nothing except come into existence. A criminal on death row? There is a difference.burnzz wrote:
and, the inverse too - how if someone's against abortion, how they can be for capital punishment.CC-Marley wrote:
I don't get how the same person that is against capital punishment can be all for killing unborn babies. Sounds ass backwards to me.
The US economy is a giant Ponzi scheme. And 'to big to fail' is code speak for 'niahnahniahniahnah 99 percenters'
In capital punishment its the state that is doing the killing, which is really a mob individuals ganging up on another individual. Life in prison with no parole achieves the same thing, with one huge exception, exhonerations mean something when the guy is still alive.CC-Marley wrote:
I don't get how the same person that is against capital punishment can be all for killing unborn babies. Sounds ass backwards to me.
As for abortions, same rationale, stopping a woman from making a choice as a individual is just a group of individuals ganging up on another individual and enforcing their moral will on that person. And as for the unborn, well if its viable then it may have the ability to grow into an individual and it should be given that chance. But if its not viable then its not possible to act as an individual and no amount of morality play can change that fact.
Anyway, in a nutshell, a group of individuals ganging on another individual to enforce their moral will on that person is the root of socialism.
The way I see it you have
1. pro death penalty/ pro life based on the bible
2. pro individual as based on the constitution
I choose liberty and I just have to accept that other people are not going to make the same choices as I make. Afterall why should I declare myself free while at the same time actively trying enforce my will on others, "I have my religious freedom and the first thing I'm going to do is force everyone else to follow my moral teachings," now to me that's what is really assbackwards. I just tell myself its none of my business and I live my own life.
All this uproar about taxes involving abortion should also include the fact that it costs taxpayers a lot more money to pay for the upkeep of orphanages and for families on welfare than it does to pay for an abortion.
So, make up your minds pro-life taxpayers. Is this really an issue of cost or of morals?
If it's cost, then support abortion, because it's cheaper.
If it's morals, then support social programs.
You can't have it both ways.
So, make up your minds pro-life taxpayers. Is this really an issue of cost or of morals?
If it's cost, then support abortion, because it's cheaper.
If it's morals, then support social programs.
You can't have it both ways.
pro life people are also paying tax for loads of things that bring about death other than abortions, don't pick and choose your silly little moral values based on your political affiliations, you people are all terrible.
It's me paying for somebody's abortion that I have a problem with. Killing babies due to it being an inconvenience to Mommy is disgusting. I don't want to pay for that.Turquoise wrote:
All this uproar about taxes involving abortion should also include the fact that it costs taxpayers a lot more money to pay for the upkeep of orphanages and for families on welfare than it does to pay for an abortion.
So, make up your minds pro-life taxpayers. Is this really an issue of cost or of morals?
If it's cost, then support abortion, because it's cheaper.
If it's morals, then support social programs.
You can't have it both ways.
such as? And terrible? You're judging me because I don't want to pay for someone's abortion? Rich.Mekstizzle wrote:
pro life people are also paying tax for loads of things that bring about death other than abortions, don't pick and choose your silly little moral values based on your political affiliations, you people are all terrible.
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I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something. - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.
You willing to personally adopt their offspring then or pay for the upkeep of orphanages? Frankly, the kids that would come out of a home where the parents would've aborted their kid if they could afford it, don't really have a happy future ahead of them. Who has abortions? Poor people mostly, or people who would become poor if they had a kid. What do kids of poor parents generally grow up to be? Poor people themselves.DBBrinson1 wrote:
It's me paying for somebody's abortion that I have a problem with. Killing babies due to it being an inconvenience to Mommy is disgusting. I don't want to pay for that.Turquoise wrote:
All this uproar about taxes involving abortion should also include the fact that it costs taxpayers a lot more money to pay for the upkeep of orphanages and for families on welfare than it does to pay for an abortion.
So, make up your minds pro-life taxpayers. Is this really an issue of cost or of morals?
If it's cost, then support abortion, because it's cheaper.
If it's morals, then support social programs.
You can't have it both ways.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
I don't want to pay for farm subsidies and defense contractors among other things. I feel ya in that regard. Maybe we should all go Henry David Thoreau style and practice some civil disobedience. Have fun in the jail cell!
Seriously though, This is a good read, some apt points for today's world.
Seriously though, This is a good read, some apt points for today's world.