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Triangle, Pentagon or Hexagon

Triangle0%0% - 0
Pentagon14%14% - 1
Hexagon85%85% - 6
Total: 7
Dilbert_X
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AMONG the army huts clustered on the bleak, windswept outskirts of Kabul is the Counterinsurgency Training Centre, Afghanistan. It is where 50-year-old US special forces colonel John F. Agoglia devises strategy and tactics to deal with a worsening Taliban crisis that by some estimates has put about half of the country at risk of insurgent attack.

"We've done some stupid shit. We focused on terrorism, not governance, and probably realised that about three years ago," the blunt Brooklyn-born officer says.

Depending on who you speak to, the conflict in Afghanistan is an equilateral triangle where war fighting is just one facet of counter-insurgency that is equally dependent on economic development and governance to achieve desired outcomes.

Some command purists - especially the British - dispute triangular theory. They say the correct shape is a pentagon because two other variables - narcotics and Pakistan - also need to be considered.

The final shape emerging last week around the International Security Assistance Force headquarters was a hexagon following general agreement on the use of a new buzzword, partnering.

By its nature counter-insurgency warfare tends to be protracted - the average conflict lasts about 15 years. Victory or defeat has usually been determined by the time eight years have elapsed , which is how long the war in Afghanistan has been running.

"Right now we're on the cusp but it is starting to shift. We can pull this off, but it will require a massive shift in how we think," says Texan academic Terry Tucker, a veteran counter-insurgency expert and former US army officer.
His colleague Agoglia says ISAF wasted years mistakenly believing Afghanistan was a strictly counter-terrorism mission.
Agoglia believes much can be achieved within 18 months.

Not all Taliban insurgents are diehard fanatics; the surge will separate the moderates who can be won over with the right support, he says. Those who continue to resist will be hunted down and killed, Agoglia insists.

The recent alarming increase in support for the insurgents owes much to the inability of the Karzai government to deliver economic development and justice to vulnerable regions including two key southern provinces, Kandahar and Helmand, unsurprisingly both centres of a thriving multi-million-dollar opium industry.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/fe … 5811132052

And why has it taken eight years to figure it out?
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It sounds simple. But an attempt to visualize the strategy reveals how immensely complicated it is for U.S. forces to accomplish.

Below is the military’s schematic, a map of the counter insurgency strategy, that shows what U.S. troops hope to accomplish in Afghanistan.
https://img14.imageshack.us/img14/5705/091203engelbig9ao.jpg
This unclassified document from the Office of the Joint Chiefs of Staff shows the U.S. military’s plan for “Afghanistan Stability/COIN Dynamics – Security.”
Source

Hope this helps.
https://i.imgur.com/maVpUMN.png
FEOS
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Aussie's graphic would point to a hexagon overall.

I think the number of facets you must deal with is dependent upon the level at which you operate. The Col in the OP may very well only have to deal with three at the tactical level. At a higher level (operational), there are more to deal with. At the strategic level, even more. That is due to certain facets simply being beyond the scope of the tactical level operator or commander.
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FEOS wrote:

Aussie's graphic would point to a hexagon overall.

I think the number of facets you must deal with is dependent upon the level at which you operate. The Col in the OP may very well only have to deal with three at the tactical level. At a higher level (operational), there are more to deal with. At the strategic level, even more. That is due to certain facets simply being beyond the scope of the tactical level operator or commander.
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Dilbert_X
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AussieReaper wrote:

It sounds simple. But an attempt to visualize the strategy reveals how immensely complicated it is for U.S. forces to accomplish.

Below is the military’s schematic, a map of the counter insurgency strategy, that shows what U.S. troops hope to accomplish in Afghanistan.
https://img14.imageshack.us/img14/5705/091203engelbig9ao.jpg
This unclassified document from the Office of the Joint Chiefs of Staff shows the U.S. military’s plan for “Afghanistan Stability/COIN Dynamics – Security.”
Source

Hope this helps.
Yes, that helps a lot, thanks....

Last edited by Dilbert_X (2009-12-17 06:10:47)

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CapnNismo wrote:

FEOS wrote:

Aussie's graphic would point to a hexagon overall.

I think the number of facets you must deal with is dependent upon the level at which you operate. The Col in the OP may very well only have to deal with three at the tactical level. At a higher level (operational), there are more to deal with. At the strategic level, even more. That is due to certain facets simply being beyond the scope of the tactical level operator or commander.
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But the lower levels need to at least be aware of the overall plan, if there is one.
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I think the document looks like a hairball myself.
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Don't worry, the Powerpoint Warriors will win the battle.
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FEOS
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Dilbert_X wrote:

CapnNismo wrote:

FEOS wrote:

Aussie's graphic would point to a hexagon overall.

I think the number of facets you must deal with is dependent upon the level at which you operate. The Col in the OP may very well only have to deal with three at the tactical level. At a higher level (operational), there are more to deal with. At the strategic level, even more. That is due to certain facets simply being beyond the scope of the tactical level operator or commander.
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But the lower levels need to at least be aware of the overall plan, if there is one.
Define what you mean by "be aware of".

The "lower levels" need to understand what they have to accomplish--which seldom (if ever) involves them having awareness of the overall plan. Their leadership has to understand how their tasking fits into the next level to ensure they can adapt to still meet the intent should the plan go to shit.
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Their leadership has to understand how their tasking fits into the next level to ensure they can adapt to still meet the intent should the plan go to shit.
Thats what I mean.
Actually it generally helps if everyone involved understands the overall plan, not just the next tier, that way they can make sensible decisions if they need to adapt their plan.
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FEOS
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Dilbert_X wrote:

Their leadership has to understand how their tasking fits into the next level to ensure they can adapt to still meet the intent should the plan go to shit.
Thats what I mean.
Actually it generally helps if everyone involved understands the overall plan, not just the next tier, that way they can make sensible decisions if they need to adapt their plan.
In an ideal world, that would be fine.

However, we don't live in an ideal world. In the real world, your approach produces the phenomenon known as "helmet fires". That's why plans are segmented so that people can deal with the pieces they need to deal with.
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It's hard to answer this question, because I don't know what shape a clusterfuck is.
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Turquoise wrote:

It's hard to answer this question, because I don't know what shape a clusterfuck is.
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Hexagon, as it reminds me of carbon rings which in turn remind me to study chem.

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