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Israel’s Government issued an angry warning today that its ties with Britain were in jeopardy over a UK arrest warrant briefly issued against the Jewish state’s Opposition leader and former Foreign Minister.

It has emerged that a London court issued a warrant at the weekend, for alleged war crimes committed in last winter's Gaza offensive, and then rescinded it when it became clear that Tzipi Livni was not on British soil.

On the orders of the Israeli Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahi, the Israeli foreign ministry today summoned the British ambassador to receive a formal dressing down over the affront.

"We reject the court's cynical legal move against Opposition Chairwoman Tzipi Livni, which was initiated by radical elements," the Ministry said in a statement.

"Israel calls on the British government to fulfill, once and for all, its promises and prevent an abuse of the British legal system against Israel and its citizens by anti-Israel elements."

The statement warned that relations between Israel and Britain would be damaged unless the UK took quick action to put things right.

“If Israeli leaders cannot visit Britain in a proper and honorable manner, this will naturally serve as a real obstacle to Britain's desire to take an active part in the peace process in the Middle East," it said.

The Israeli Ambassador to London, Ron Prossor, also criticised the arrest warrant. "The current situation has become intolerable, it is time that it change," he said. "I am convinced that the British government will understand that it is time to react and not content itself with declarations."

Ms Livni’s office had insisted that the reason she cancelled a scheduled visit to a Jewish group in the United Kingdom was because of a scheduling clash. Speaking at a security conference today she avoided mentioning the warrant, but said that she was proud of her role in Operation Cast Lead, a devastating Israeli offensive against Gaza militants firing rockets into Israel. Some 1,400 Palestinians and 13 Israelis died during the three-week war.

An investigation by the United Nations Human Rights Council have accused both Israel and Hamas of war crimes and called for both sides to investigate the allegations or be referred to the International Criminal Court in The Hague. Israel vehemently rejected the inquiry and accused the UN committee of bias.

The Foreign Office said today that it was urgently assessing the implications of the warrant. "The UK is determined to do all it can to promote peace in the Middle East, and to be a strategic partner of Israel," a spokeswoman said. "To do this, Israel's leaders need to be able to come to the UK for talks with the British government. We are looking urgently at the implications of this case."

The warrant was just the latest attempt by pro-Palestinian groups to use British courts to seek the arrest of Israeli leaders whom they accuse of war crimes in the West Bank and Gaza Strip.

In October, Moshe Yaalon, the deputy Prime Minister, was forced to cancel a fundraising trip to London after lawyers warned he could be arrested in connection with a deadly attack he authorised as chief of staff. It killed a wanted Hamas militant chief, his wife and nine children in the Gaza Strip in 2002.

That incident came shortly after activists tried and failed to obtain a British warrant against Ehud Barak, the Defence Minister during the Gaza war who has retained his post under new the right-wing government.

And in 2005, retired general Doron Almog had to stay on a plane at Heathrow to avoid arrest after he learned a warrant had been issued against him for the demolition of scores of Palestinian homes by his Israeli forces on the Gaza border.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/u … 957495.ece

If a person has comminited a war crime, or has been accused of commiting a war crime; they should be tried FAIRLY in the court of law. Isreal's reaction is so typical, I'm suprised they didn't accuse the whole British govement of practising anti semitism; which would be so ironic.

Some members of the Isreali goverment have been accused of war crimes, and so has Hamas. If either steps a foot on British soil, they should be tried.

Lets keep this to the topic at hand.

Last edited by mafia996630 (2009-12-15 09:07:27)

Iconic Irony
Bare Back Rough Rider
+189|5562|San Angelo, TX
I agree, the Nazi's were terrible people.  They should be hunted down and executed on the spot with no trial.  Argentina is a pretty country but they suck when it comes to Nazi's. 

Did you know most people in Germany weren't Nazi's?  They just pretended to be so they weren't shot or kicked out of their homes.

EDIT:  I just remembered Sergeriver is from Argentina.   HMMMMmMMMMmmmmmm

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mafia996630
© 2009 Jeff Minard
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Iconic Irony wrote:

I agree, the Nazi's were terrible people.  They should be hunted down and executed on the spot with no trial.  Argentina is a pretty country but they suck when it comes to Nazi's. 

Did you know most people in Germany weren't Nazi's?  They just pretended to be so they weren't shot or kicked out of their homes.

EDIT:  I just remembered Sergeriver is from Argentina.   HMMMMmMMMMmmmmmm
I assume your response is in relation to the OP, I haven't figureed out how. Help me out as I don't speak retarded.

jk,jk. That insult was totally uncalled for.
Pug
UR father's brother's nephew's former roommate
+652|6829|Texas - Bigger than France
Holy crap - so they ALMOST issued a warrant and didn't?

And know there's a whole bunch of people talking about it?

Totally newsworthy.

mafia996630 wrote:

If a person has comminted a war crime, or has been accused of commiting a war crime; they should be tried FAIRLY in the court of law.
Holy crap - so the UK courts have jurisdiction over international law?

Holy crap - so if I accuse you, you are going to trial right?
Iconic Irony
Bare Back Rough Rider
+189|5562|San Angelo, TX

mafia996630 wrote:

Iconic Irony wrote:

I agree, the Nazi's were terrible people.  They should be hunted down and executed on the spot with no trial.  Argentina is a pretty country but they suck when it comes to Nazi's. 

Did you know most people in Germany weren't Nazi's?  They just pretended to be so they weren't shot or kicked out of their homes.

EDIT:  I just remembered Sergeriver is from Argentina.   HMMMMmMMMMmmmmmm
I assume your response is in relation to the OP, I haven't figureed out how. Help me out as I don't speak retarded.

jk,jk. That insult was totally uncalled for.
Douba mama joo bah duntty plah yousep nigra doopie lah mahtna zapp plop.

There.  I insulted you in retard, shame you can't read it.
mafia996630
© 2009 Jeff Minard
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Pug wrote:

Holy crap - so they ALMOST issued a warrant and didn't?

And know there's a whole bunch of people talking about it?

Totally newsworthy.

mafia996630 wrote:

If a person has committed a war crime, or has been accused of committing a war crime; they should be tried FAIRLY in the court of law.
Holy crap - so the UK courts have jurisdiction over international law?

Holy crap - so if I accuse you, you are going to trial right?
I'm not sure if you can't read but the article says, "UK arrest warrant briefly issued against the Jewish state’s Opposition leader and former Foreign Minister", i.e It was issued but then retracted because she was not in the country.

Techinally, the UN accused them of war crimes.

Your accustions have no subtance. Also who are you to accuse me ?



Holy crap - Know please stop posting(seewhatididther)

Last edited by mafia996630 (2009-12-15 09:40:35)

Iconic Irony
Bare Back Rough Rider
+189|5562|San Angelo, TX

mafia996630 wrote:

Your accustions have no subtance. Also who are you to accuse me ?
Stop making racist comments and he won't have a reason to accuse you.
mafia996630
© 2009 Jeff Minard
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Iconic Irony wrote:

mafia996630 wrote:

Your accustions have no subtance. Also who are you to accuse me ?
Stop making racist comments and he won't have a reason to accuse you.
I am so lost. What are you talking about ? What racist comments have I made ?
Iconic Irony
Bare Back Rough Rider
+189|5562|San Angelo, TX

mafia996630 wrote:

Iconic Irony wrote:

mafia996630 wrote:

Your accustions have no subtance. Also who are you to accuse me ?
Stop making racist comments and he won't have a reason to accuse you.
I am so lost. What are you talking about ? What racist comments have I made ?
Look man, I'm not here to discuss civil rights and your lack-there-of, we are here to discuss genocide.

Back on topic:

Solbadon Michelob probably had the worst genocide of the last 80 years, there in Albania.  Do you think that his being executed in the palace courtyard was justified or should he have been allowed to continue a bit longer?
Pug
UR father's brother's nephew's former roommate
+652|6829|Texas - Bigger than France

mafia996630 wrote:

Pug wrote:

Holy crap - so they ALMOST issued a warrant and didn't?

And know there's a whole bunch of people talking about it?

Totally newsworthy.

mafia996630 wrote:

If a person has committed a war crime, or has been accused of committing a war crime; they should be tried FAIRLY in the court of law.
Holy crap - so the UK courts have jurisdiction over international law?

Holy crap - so if I accuse you, you are going to trial right?
I'm not sure if you can't read but the article says, "UK arrest warrant briefly issued against the Jewish state’s Opposition leader and former Foreign Minister", i.e It was issued but then retracted because she was not in the country.

Techinally, the UN accused them of war crimes.

Your accustions have no subtance. Also who are you to accuse me ?



Holy crap - Know please stop posting(seewhatididther)
Sure I'll stop as soon as you answer the question about jurisdiction.
Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|6908|London, England

Pug wrote:

mafia996630 wrote:

Pug wrote:

Holy crap - so they ALMOST issued a warrant and didn't?

And know there's a whole bunch of people talking about it?

Totally newsworthy.


Holy crap - so the UK courts have jurisdiction over international law?

Holy crap - so if I accuse you, you are going to trial right?
I'm not sure if you can't read but the article says, "UK arrest warrant briefly issued against the Jewish state’s Opposition leader and former Foreign Minister", i.e It was issued but then retracted because she was not in the country.

Techinally, the UN accused them of war crimes.

Your accustions have no subtance. Also who are you to accuse me ?



Holy crap - Know please stop posting(seewhatididther)
Sure I'll stop as soon as you answer the question about jurisdiction.
I think a country is within its rights to issue warrants regarding people on its own territory, just that they withdrew it because that person wasn't. Doesn't really have to do anything with international law.

Although it is rich that the UK Government is talking about arresting people for war crimes...
mafia996630
© 2009 Jeff Minard
+319|7050|d

Mekstizzle wrote:

Pug wrote:

mafia996630 wrote:

I'm not sure if you can't read but the article says, "UK arrest warrant briefly issued against the Jewish state’s Opposition leader and former Foreign Minister", i.e It was issued but then retracted because she was not in the country.

Techinally, the UN accused them of war crimes.

Your accustions have no subtance. Also who are you to accuse me ?



Holy crap - Know please stop posting(seewhatididther)
Sure I'll stop as soon as you answer the question about jurisdiction.
I think a country is within its rights to issue warrants regarding people on its own territory, just that they withdrew it because that person wasn't. Doesn't really have to do anything with international law.

Although it is rich that the UK Government is talking about arresting people for war crimes...
That's what I would have said. Its not like the UK has put out a 25 million dollar reward and then invaded two countries to find them.

Last edited by mafia996630 (2009-12-15 11:16:09)

mafia996630
© 2009 Jeff Minard
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Iconic Irony wrote:

mafia996630 wrote:

Iconic Irony wrote:


Stop making racist comments and he won't have a reason to accuse you.
I am so lost. What are you talking about ? What racist comments have I made ?
Look man, I'm not here to discuss civil rights and your lack-there-of, we are here to discuss genocide.

Back on topic:

Solbadon Michelob probably had the worst genocide of the last 80 years, there in Albania.  Do you think that his being executed in the palace courtyard was justified or should he have been allowed to continue a bit longer?
Try to stick to the topic at hand. Open another thread if that means so much to you.
Iconic Irony
Bare Back Rough Rider
+189|5562|San Angelo, TX

mafia996630 wrote:

Iconic Irony wrote:

mafia996630 wrote:


I am so lost. What are you talking about ? What racist comments have I made ?
Look man, I'm not here to discuss civil rights and your lack-there-of, we are here to discuss genocide.

Back on topic:

Solbadon Michelob probably had the worst genocide of the last 80 years, there in Albania.  Do you think that his being executed in the palace courtyard was justified or should he have been allowed to continue a bit longer?
Try to stick to the topic at hand. Open another thread if that means so much to you.
Don't change the subject just because you can't give a good rebuttal to a serious statement.  You're the one who started this genocide thing, now finish it.
Pug
UR father's brother's nephew's former roommate
+652|6829|Texas - Bigger than France

mafia996630 wrote:

Mekstizzle wrote:

Pug wrote:


Sure I'll stop as soon as you answer the question about jurisdiction.
I think a country is within its rights to issue warrants regarding people on its own territory, just that they withdrew it because that person wasn't. Doesn't really have to do anything with international law.

Although it is rich that the UK Government is talking about arresting people for war crimes...
That's what I would have said. Its not like the UK has put out a 25 million dollar reward and then invaded two countries to find them.
Right, I'm not arguing about an arrest warrant.  I'm asking whether the UK has the jurisdiction to take someone to trial based on the facts presented.  (honestly don't know)

I don't think so...which might be right or wrong...but if I'm right, was there enough substance to write an article?

And re: $25m reward...to quote someone: let's stick to the topic at hand...unless of course you want to open this up more...
mafia996630
© 2009 Jeff Minard
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Pug wrote:

mafia996630 wrote:

Mekstizzle wrote:


I think a country is within its rights to issue warrants regarding people on its own territory, just that they withdrew it because that person wasn't. Doesn't really have to do anything with international law.

Although it is rich that the UK Government is talking about arresting people for war crimes...
That's what I would have said. Its not like the UK has put out a 25 million dollar reward and then invaded two countries to find them.
Right, I'm not arguing about an arrest warrant.  I'm asking whether the UK has the jurisdiction to take someone to trial based on the facts presented.  (honestly don't know)

I don't think so...which might be right or wrong...but if I'm right, was there enough substance to write an article?

And re: $25m reward...to quote someone: let's stick to the topic at hand...unless of course you want to open this up more...
That something for the UK courts to decide, if they believe a person should stand trial,they are in their right to arrest him. If for example, the person is another country, then it would get a bit difficult.

Fair point on the last.
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
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Iconic Irony wrote:

mafia996630 wrote:

Iconic Irony wrote:


Look man, I'm not here to discuss civil rights and your lack-there-of, we are here to discuss genocide.

Back on topic:

Solbadon Michelob probably had the worst genocide of the last 80 years, there in Albania.  Do you think that his being executed in the palace courtyard was justified or should he have been allowed to continue a bit longer?
Try to stick to the topic at hand. Open another thread if that means so much to you.
Don't change the subject just because you can't give a good rebuttal to a serious statement.  You're the one who started this genocide thing, now finish it.
When did he say anything about genocide?

So far as I can see, you started the whole genocide thing.
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|6868|SE London

Pug wrote:

mafia996630 wrote:

Mekstizzle wrote:


I think a country is within its rights to issue warrants regarding people on its own territory, just that they withdrew it because that person wasn't. Doesn't really have to do anything with international law.

Although it is rich that the UK Government is talking about arresting people for war crimes...
That's what I would have said. Its not like the UK has put out a 25 million dollar reward and then invaded two countries to find them.
Right, I'm not arguing about an arrest warrant.  I'm asking whether the UK has the jurisdiction to take someone to trial based on the facts presented.  (honestly don't know)
The UN say there is a case for war crimes against certain individuals in Israel and Palestine from the last big Gaza conflict. Livni is the one with the highest profile.

States are encouraged to arrest individuals wanted for war crimes.

I don't think they could legitimately be tried by the UK though - but I don't know.
Iconic Irony
Bare Back Rough Rider
+189|5562|San Angelo, TX

Bertster7 wrote:

Pug wrote:

mafia996630 wrote:


That's what I would have said. Its not like the UK has put out a 25 million dollar reward and then invaded two countries to find them.
Right, I'm not arguing about an arrest warrant.  I'm asking whether the UK has the jurisdiction to take someone to trial based on the facts presented.  (honestly don't know)
The UN say there is a case for war crimes against certain individuals in Israel and Palestine from the last big Gaza conflict. Livni is the one with the highest profile.

States are encouraged to arrest individuals wanted for war crimes.

I don't think they could legitimately be tried by the UK though - but I don't know.
Could you please stay on topic, thank you.

Do you think that Solbadon Michelob would have been arrested for genocide if he had visited Germany?  Probably not, he broke no German rules.  What if he had visited Germany in 1939?  Probably because Germans were genociding people and he was a person who wasn't a German so he probably would had gotten genocided.

(can genocide be used as a verb?  genocided?  I think so.)
Beduin
Compensation of Reactive Power in the grid
+510|6037|شمال
“If Israeli leaders cannot visit Britain in a proper and honorable manner, this will naturally serve as a real obstacle to Britain's desire to take an active part in the peace process in the Middle East," it said.
lol...what peace process?

The arrest warrant should have been valid in the entire EU.
الشعب يريد اسقاط النظام
...show me the schematic
konfusion
mostly afk
+480|6836|CH/BR - in UK

Pug wrote:

Holy crap - so they ALMOST issued a warrant and didn't?

And know there's a whole bunch of people talking about it?

Totally newsworthy.

mafia996630 wrote:

If a person has comminted a war crime, or has been accused of commiting a war crime; they should be tried FAIRLY in the court of law.
Holy crap - so the UK courts have jurisdiction over international law?

Holy crap - so if I accuse you, you are going to trial right?
Extra, extra, read all about it:
Israel wastes everyone's time by complaining about 'almost'

He's probably guilty of something, if the wimpy UN thinks so. The problem here is only technicality, not whether or not it happened. And Israel's reacting like a spoiled brat who didn't get the toy he wanted for Christmas. Jesus, they're handed everything, and the moment something doesn't go their way, they have a hissy fit.

edit:
Is Iconic Irony aspiring to be Glen Beck by putting words in people's mouths, and making no sense whatsoever with calls to get back on topic where the topic is already being discussed..?

-kon

Last edited by konfusion (2009-12-15 15:54:43)

FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6697|'Murka

Since when do the UK courts have jurisdiction over issues that occur in the Levant?
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein

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ghettoperson
Member
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FEOS wrote:

Since when do the UK courts have jurisdiction over issues that occur in the Levant?
Are you suggesting that US courts have no jurisdiction over all those Gitmo inmates you keep trying?
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6697|'Murka

ghettoperson wrote:

FEOS wrote:

Since when do the UK courts have jurisdiction over issues that occur in the Levant?
Are you suggesting that US courts have no jurisdiction over all those Gitmo inmates you keep trying?
In that they are associated (allegedly) with Al Qaeda--the organization that attacked the US on 9/11/2001, yes.

Is the UK government somehow linked with either Hezbollah or Hamas?
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein

Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6816|Global Command
Didn't the bad toothed brittish kill some cannucks with a wayward bomb?

Arrest them.

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