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2009-12-03 01:06:35
Varegg
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lowing wrote:

Varegg wrote:

lowing wrote:


Sorry, if those beliefs and laws curtail freedoms and is intolerant of others, it counts, and does not belong in western society.
Soooo ... how does those believes and laws curtail your freedoms lowing?
I'm sorry, I didn't  know this was about "ME", I thought we were speaking about culture and society as a whole.

Now, speaking as a culture and society, are you still willing to ask that question?
Speak as yourself ... how does all this curtail your freedoms, you may split the question if you like ...

How does Islam curtail your freedoms?

How does immigration in general curtail your freedoms?

How does the spreading of Muslims all over the world curtail your freedoms?

Do you have less freedom now in comparison to lets say 10, 15 and 20 years ago?
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2009-12-03 01:19:27
lowing
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Varegg wrote:

lowing wrote:

Varegg wrote:


Soooo ... how does those believes and laws curtail your freedoms lowing?
I'm sorry, I didn't  know this was about "ME", I thought we were speaking about culture and society as a whole.

Now, speaking as a culture and society, are you still willing to ask that question?
Speak as yourself ... how does all this curtail your freedoms, you may split the question if you like ...

How does Islam curtail your freedoms?

How does immigration in general curtail your freedoms?

How does the spreading of Muslims all over the world curtail your freedoms?

Do you have less freedom now in comparison to lets say 10, 15 and 20 years ago?
By your refusal to speak on the whole of society I can only assume you already know the answer and it is not in favor of your argument

Speaking for myself however, I believe if gone unchecked, Islam will curtail my freedoms.

immigration does not curtail my freedoms, ILLEGAL immigration does, as does immigrants who come here to exploit rathr than contribute to our society.

I don't give a shit about all "over the world", I don't want it in my country, as apparently Switzerland does not want it in theirs, also the French are now recognizing what is happening and is taking action as well.

Yes, our society has grown to such entitlement and PC that even "Merry Christmas" is being outlawed in our own country.
2009-12-03 01:24:52
oug
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lowing wrote:

you would be correct if you can name any other relgious group in America allowed to have gay marriage. If you can't, well then, the law applies to ALL of us, not just gays, and not just Christians. No discrimination
Well yes it does apply to all, but it was made by christians according to christian "ethics" if you like. In that sense it doesn't cater for all. In the spirit of freedom etc I guess it wouldn't hurt to revise such laws. But anyway I don't even know how it got to this, the discussion was about Switzerland and Islam...
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2009-12-03 01:25:32
Varegg
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I didn't refuse to speak on the whole of society lowing, I asked you a few direct questions and you have only answered one of them ...
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2009-12-03 01:25:59
lowing
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oug wrote:

lowing wrote:

you would be correct if you can name any other relgious group in America allowed to have gay marriage. If you can't, well then, the law applies to ALL of us, not just gays, and not just Christians. No discrimination
Well yes it does apply to all, but it was made by christians according to christian "ethics" if you like. In that sense it doesn't cater for all. In the spirit of freedom etc I guess it wouldn't hurt to revise such laws. But anyway I don't even know how it got to this, the discussion was about Switzerland and Islam...
We are a Christian nation, you know that moving here, if you do not like it, do not move here. Our laws apply to ALL therefore are not discriminatory.
2009-12-03 01:27:01
lowing
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Varegg wrote:

I didn't refuse to speak on the whole of society lowing, I asked you a few direct questions and you have only answered one of them ...
Actually I answered every one of them, shall I go back and number them for you?
2009-12-03 01:28:02
Varegg
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lowing wrote:

Varegg wrote:

I didn't refuse to speak on the whole of society lowing, I asked you a few direct questions and you have only answered one of them ...
Actually I answered every one of them, shall I go back and number them for you?
Yes please
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2009-12-03 01:30:17
lowing
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Varegg wrote:

lowing wrote:

Varegg wrote:

I didn't refuse to speak on the whole of society lowing, I asked you a few direct questions and you have only answered one of them ...
Actually I answered every one of them, shall I go back and number them for you?
Yes please
1. Speaking for myself however, I believe if gone unchecked, Islam will curtail my freedoms.

2. immigration does not curtail my freedoms, ILLEGAL immigration does, as does immigrants who come here to exploit rathr than contribute to our society.

3. I don't give a shit about all "over the world", I don't want it in my country, as apparently Switzerland does not want it in theirs, also the French are now recognizing what is happening and is taking action as well.

4. Yes, our society has grown to such entitlement and PC that even "Merry Christmas" is being outlawed in our own country.

in sync with each question you asked.
2009-12-03 01:33:36
DonFck
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lowing wrote:

oug wrote:

lowing wrote:

you would be correct if you can name any other relgious group in America allowed to have gay marriage. If you can't, well then, the law applies to ALL of us, not just gays, and not just Christians. No discrimination
Well yes it does apply to all, but it was made by christians according to christian "ethics" if you like. In that sense it doesn't cater for all. In the spirit of freedom etc I guess it wouldn't hurt to revise such laws. But anyway I don't even know how it got to this, the discussion was about Switzerland and Islam...
We are a Christian nation, you know that moving here, if you do not like it, do not move here. Our laws apply to ALL therefore are not discriminatory.

First Amendment wrote:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
I thought the U.S. is a secular nation, regardless of "one nation, under God". Actually, that God may as well be Allah to those U.S. citizens who are Islamic.
I need around tree fiddy.
2009-12-03 01:36:09
oug
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lowing wrote:

oug wrote:

lowing wrote:

you would be correct if you can name any other relgious group in America allowed to have gay marriage. If you can't, well then, the law applies to ALL of us, not just gays, and not just Christians. No discrimination
Well yes it does apply to all, but it was made by christians according to christian "ethics" if you like. In that sense it doesn't cater for all. In the spirit of freedom etc I guess it wouldn't hurt to revise such laws. But anyway I don't even know how it got to this, the discussion was about Switzerland and Islam...
We are a Christian nation, you know that moving here, if you do not like it, do not move here. Our laws apply to ALL therefore are not discriminatory.
No, you're not. That's the thing. And neither is Greece for example but there still is discrimination against other religions because everyone happens to be Christian.
The key is to be able to make the differentiation between what the people believe and the position of the government and the state.

And on a general note, yes Islam is backwards in many ways. Frankly it's fucked up if you ask me, maybe even more than Christianity. But that has nothing to do with how the state should deal with it. All religions are equal in that respect. So either ban minarets and churches alike or do nothing. Measures against one religion alone are discriminatory in nature and proof of a racist mindset. It will only make things worse in terms of tension between the communities.
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2009-12-03 01:38:12
lowing
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DonFck wrote:

lowing wrote:

oug wrote:


Well yes it does apply to all, but it was made by christians according to christian "ethics" if you like. In that sense it doesn't cater for all. In the spirit of freedom etc I guess it wouldn't hurt to revise such laws. But anyway I don't even know how it got to this, the discussion was about Switzerland and Islam...
We are a Christian nation, you know that moving here, if you do not like it, do not move here. Our laws apply to ALL therefore are not discriminatory.

First Amendment wrote:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
I thought the U.S. is a secular nation, regardless of "one nation, under God". Actually, that God may as well be Allah to those U.S. citizens who are Islamic.
Our society is Christian, our govt. is based on Christian values. It allows other religions. Islam, abridges free speech. It goes against established laws. OUR laws.
2009-12-03 01:38:48
Varegg
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lowing wrote:

Varegg wrote:

lowing wrote:


Actually I answered every one of them, shall I go back and number them for you?
Yes please
1. Speaking for myself however, I believe if gone unchecked, Islam will curtail my freedoms.

2. immigration does not curtail my freedoms, ILLEGAL immigration does, as does immigrants who come here to exploit rathr than contribute to our society.

3. I don't give a shit about all "over the world", I don't want it in my country, as apparently Switzerland does not want it in theirs, also the French are now recognizing what is happening and is taking action as well.

4. Yes, our society has grown to such entitlement and PC that even "Merry Christmas" is being outlawed in our own country.

in sync with each question you asked.
Thank you ...

1. I'm happy to see that Islam doesn't curtail any of your freedoms ... yet that is ...

2. This problem is found all over the world so I'm happy to see you are open for all kinds of legal immigrants ...

3. That is the topic we are mainly discussing ...

4. Why is that? ... you mean your freedom of wishing your neighbour "Merry Christmas" has been taken away from you? ... by who?
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2009-12-03 01:40:16
lowing
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oug wrote:

lowing wrote:

oug wrote:

Well yes it does apply to all, but it was made by christians according to christian "ethics" if you like. In that sense it doesn't cater for all. In the spirit of freedom etc I guess it wouldn't hurt to revise such laws. But anyway I don't even know how it got to this, the discussion was about Switzerland and Islam...
We are a Christian nation, you know that moving here, if you do not like it, do not move here. Our laws apply to ALL therefore are not discriminatory.
No, you're not. That's the thing. And neither is Greece for example but there still is discrimination against other religions because everyone happens to be Christian.
The key is to be able to make the differentiation between what the people believe and the position of the government and the state.

And on a general note, yes Islam is backwards in many ways. Frankly it's fucked up if you ask me, maybe even more than Christianity. But that has nothing to do with how the state should deal with it. All religions are equal in that respect. So either ban minarets and churches alike or do nothing. Measures against one religion alone are discriminatory in nature and proof of a racist mindset. It will only make things worse in terms of tension between the communities.
Tell it to Switzerland not me, if a people of a country do not want something, who says it should be forced upon them. Don't move there if you do not like it.

Extreme circumstances calls for extreme measures, Islam is extreme and so is the action taken against it.

and no, not all relgions are equal, some, more than others, interfere with the individual expression and rights and are intolerant.

Last edited by lowing (2009-12-03 01:54:02)

2009-12-03 01:46:50
lowing
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Varegg wrote:

lowing wrote:

Varegg wrote:

Yes please
1. Speaking for myself however, I believe if gone unchecked, Islam will curtail my freedoms.

2. immigration does not curtail my freedoms, ILLEGAL immigration does, as does immigrants who come here to exploit rathr than contribute to our society.

3. I don't give a shit about all "over the world", I don't want it in my country, as apparently Switzerland does not want it in theirs, also the French are now recognizing what is happening and is taking action as well.

4. Yes, our society has grown to such entitlement and PC that even "Merry Christmas" is being outlawed in our own country.

in sync with each question you asked.
Thank you ...

1. I'm happy to see that Islam doesn't curtail any of your freedoms ... yet that is ...

2. This problem is found all over the world so I'm happy to see you are open for all kinds of legal immigrants ...

3. That is the topic we are mainly discussing ...

4. Why is that? ... you mean your freedom of wishing your neighbour "Merry Christmas" has been taken away from you? ... by who?
1. yet is right. thank you for acknowledging the threat

2.Got no problem with legal immigration as long as you come here and adapt to us instead of expecting us to adapt to you.

3. Yup and yer point?

4. http://www.firefighternation.com/forum/ … ordered-to

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christmas_controversy

Why you ask? Liberal PC that is why

Last edited by lowing (2009-12-03 01:48:00)

2009-12-03 01:59:26
Varegg
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1. Never said I didn't express concerns about Islam, but I hardly see it as a threat in general ...

2. Almost 100% of legal immigrants does just that, blend in ... doesn't matter what their origin is ... some cultures use a longer amount of time but eventually they all blend in ...

3. No point, I only refer to the 9+ pages of the topic ...

4. I would have left the sign hanging there tbh ...
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2009-12-03 04:38:33
lowing
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Varegg wrote:

1. Never said I didn't express concerns about Islam, but I hardly see it as a threat in general ...

2. Almost 100% of legal immigrants does just that, blend in ... doesn't matter what their origin is ... some cultures use a longer amount of time but eventually they all blend in ...

3. No point, I only refer to the 9+ pages of the topic ...

4. I would have left the sign hanging there tbh ...
1 Really? Then what "concerns" could you have if not a threat to western society?

2. adapt is fine, but in our age of entitlement, speaking the language some how is no longer viewed as a requirment or necessity. We are supposed to add their language to our products and services. that is not blending in, and it certainly is not close to 100%

4. Well apparently it is the offended minority that is expected to get the attention, who cares about the offense given by taking away something like our holiday greetings? A tip of the ice berg compared to the PC agenda that I fear is coming.

I don't give a shit what offends anyone in our country. If you do not like it, do not move here.
2009-12-03 04:40:08
DonFck
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lowing wrote:

I don't give a shit what offends anyone in our country. If you do not like it, do not move here.
You seem clearly offended by what is going on in your country. Maybe you should move out.
I need around tree fiddy.
2009-12-03 04:44:45
lowing
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DonFck wrote:

lowing wrote:

I don't give a shit what offends anyone in our country. If you do not like it, do not move here.
You seem clearly offended by what is going on in your country. Maybe you should move out.
I know you are just being a smart ass, so I will let it go.

By the way, were you gunna post articles about how great Islam was, so I can use them against you or not?

Last edited by lowing (2009-12-03 04:46:37)

2009-12-03 06:55:25
Jay
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DonFck wrote:

lowing wrote:

oug wrote:


Well yes it does apply to all, but it was made by christians according to christian "ethics" if you like. In that sense it doesn't cater for all. In the spirit of freedom etc I guess it wouldn't hurt to revise such laws. But anyway I don't even know how it got to this, the discussion was about Switzerland and Islam...
We are a Christian nation, you know that moving here, if you do not like it, do not move here. Our laws apply to ALL therefore are not discriminatory.

First Amendment wrote:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
I thought the U.S. is a secular nation, regardless of "one nation, under God". Actually, that God may as well be Allah to those U.S. citizens who are Islamic.
The official religion of the US Govt is Secular Humanism.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

 

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