I am a libertarian.Uzique wrote:
he-ey you've come full circle then john back to our discussion on how enlightened europe is.
european renaissance <-> philosophical humanism --> german enlightenment.
you're totally one of us liberal-douche socialists
ME THREE PAGES AGO wrote:
politically im well-educated enough to defend my views against your obtuse generalisations, thanks very much. if i have any political leanings i would say i very loosely see merits in libertarianism as an ideological and ideal system, though with no practical prospect of implementation.
I know, I remember reading it. The only time libertarian ideals have ever been implemented successfully was shortly after the American Revolution. Then it became corrupted by statism.Uzique wrote:
ME THREE PAGES AGO wrote:
politically im well-educated enough to defend my views against your obtuse generalisations, thanks very much. if i have any political leanings i would say i very loosely see merits in libertarianism as an ideological and ideal system, though with no practical prospect of implementation.
Ok! And you are sure?cl4u53w1t2 wrote:
notBeduin wrote:
I could spam this thread with many pics of huge churches in middle east
and some synagogues too
well...cl4u53w1t2 wrote:
2. lol at erdogan and other leaders of muslim countries calling the swiss fascists and racists. christians aren't even allowed to build small churches in countries like turkey etc., not to speak of saudi-arabia, iran etc.
and...Time Magazine reports that negotiations are currently underway between the government of Saudi Arabia and the Vatican, about the possibility of opening the first Christian church in the Kingdom.
John touched upon it in reply #99, but I'll proceed as well.Uzique wrote:
please explain to me how atheism is a 'religion'. please formally define 'religion' in your terms first, though, to avoid any confusion.
Why exactly would thoughts of the universes formation require me to think of religion? The only time religion ever enters my mind is when topics like this pop up. I don't walk around all day being thankful that I don't believe in god or really give it any thought at all. Why would I waste my time pondering the creation of the universe when it's something that can't be proven? Why is a lack of religion in ones life so foreign to the devout? Why must it be replaced by something else? It's not, at least it's not for me.DesertFox- wrote:
A ban upon religion would only leave the areligious folk unaffected, but to become areligious seems nigh impossible to me (using the aforementioned definition, mind you) unless one by some extraordinary means avoids thought about the nature of life/the universe/creation, etc.
Of course the arguments are pointless. I know of no one that had their mind changed in a religious debate. 99% of them are just rehashed and repackaged arguments centering around some central theme. They're even more pointless because neither side can prove the other wrong.DesertFox- wrote:
Atheism or theism alone just makes up a small part of what the entity known as "religion" is. One can spend his time arguing that there is or is not a god, but that's pointless and doesn't matter in the end, since you're living your life with what you believe anyway.
I'm sorry man, but atheism doesn't resemble a religion at all. It's just a lack of faith that there is a supreme being, that's all that binds atheists together in any way. If you're using that super weak bond as the basis for calling it a religion then so be it, but it's notDesertFox- wrote:
Organized religions are quite strange as well, since no two people believe the exact same thing to the exact extent, so there's really just a shit-ton of personalized religions and these people group together based on similar beliefs (i.e. existence of a deity). However, atheism really has no center (and why should it? there's no deity/founder from whom the system is based around/was created) and it's just like the others in that it is really an unorganized mass of humanity sharing a few beliefs. Thought Train derailed right about here...
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... what. i think you're the one in the wrong here with your definitionDesertFox- wrote:
Some people see atheism as a lack of religion, but I personally don't, but I see where that comes from, because the word religion such a narrow defintition among the general public. To an atheist, a "religious" person is anyone who is not an atheist because all those other things are "the religions". A lot of atheists don't want to be associated with a religion either (don't forget the old 'religion is for weak-minded' saying), so no matter what, you'll never agree with what I say.
Don't waste your breath...Uzique wrote:
... what. i think you're the one in the wrong here with your definitionDesertFox- wrote:
Some people see atheism as a lack of religion, but I personally don't, but I see where that comes from, because the word religion such a narrow defintition among the general public. To an atheist, a "religious" person is anyone who is not an atheist because all those other things are "the religions". A lot of atheists don't want to be associated with a religion either (don't forget the old 'religion is for weak-minded' saying), so no matter what, you'll never agree with what I say.
that's quite some definition of "atheism" you got thereDesertFox- wrote:
Some people see atheism as a lack of religion, but I personally don't, but I see where that comes from, because the word religion such a narrow defintition among the general public. To an atheist, a "religious" person is anyone who is not an atheist because all those other things are "the religions". A lot of atheists don't want to be associated with a religion either (don't forget the old 'religion is for weak-minded' saying), so no matter what, you'll never agree with what I say.
Beduin wrote:
Ok! And you are sure?cl4u53w1t2 wrote:
notBeduin wrote:
I could spam this thread with many pics of huge churches in middle east
and some synagogues too
yes. and the few that exist have been built hundreds of years agowell...cl4u53w1t2 wrote:
2. lol at erdogan and other leaders of muslim countries calling the swiss fascists and racists. christians aren't even allowed to build small churches in countries like turkey etc., not to speak of saudi-arabia, iran etc.churches in saudi-arabia: 0 (maybe 1 in a few years)Time Magazine reports that negotiations are currently underway between the government of Saudi Arabia and the Vatican, about the possibility of opening the first Christian church in the Kingdom.
mosques in the uk: 1500
and...
awesome link
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was it really necessary to post this again just to write 'awesome link'?cl4u53w1t2 wrote:
Beduin wrote:
Ok! And you are sure?cl4u53w1t2 wrote:
not
yes. and the few that exist have been built hundreds of years agowell...cl4u53w1t2 wrote:
2. lol at erdogan and other leaders of muslim countries calling the swiss fascists and racists. christians aren't even allowed to build small churches in countries like turkey etc., not to speak of saudi-arabia, iran etc.churches in saudi-arabia: 0 (maybe 1 in a few years)Time Magazine reports that negotiations are currently underway between the government of Saudi Arabia and the Vatican, about the possibility of opening the first Christian church in the Kingdom.
mosques in the uk: 1500
and...
awesome link
He fails at quotes. He put his responses inside.Spark wrote:
was it really necessary to post this again just to write 'awesome link'?
or do you doubt his reading capabilities?
Was it really necessary for you to point this out ?Spark wrote:
was it really necessary to post this again just to write 'awesome link'?cl4u53w1t2 wrote:
Beduin wrote:
Ok! And you are sure?cl4u53w1t2 wrote:
not
yes. and the few that exist have been built hundreds of years agowell...cl4u53w1t2 wrote:
2. lol at erdogan and other leaders of muslim countries calling the swiss fascists and racists. christians aren't even allowed to build small churches in countries like turkey etc., not to speak of saudi-arabia, iran etc.
churches in saudi-arabia: 0 (maybe 1 in a few years)
mosques in the uk: 1500
and...
awesome link
or do you doubt his reading capabilities?
well yes i do. hmph.mafia996630 wrote:
Was it really necessary for you to point this out ?Spark wrote:
was it really necessary to post this again just to write 'awesome link'?cl4u53w1t2 wrote:
or do you doubt his reading capabilities?
or do you doubt his logical capabilities ?
Solid effort, that.JohnG@lt wrote:
He fails at quotes. He put his responses inside.Spark wrote:
was it really necessary to post this again just to write 'awesome link'?
or do you doubt his reading capabilities?
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You support freedom of speech. Do you think that should include freedom of religion?DBBrinson1 wrote:
Quick question... Where are the droves of "OMG it's their country! Stay out of it! Mind your own business?"
Righto .That's what I thought... So, when is the US going in to put an end to it? Won't the big O weigh in? After all...AussieReaper wrote:
You support freedom of speech. Do you think that should include freedom of religion?DBBrinson1 wrote:
Quick question... Where are the droves of "OMG it's their country! Stay out of it! Mind your own business?"
The banning of minarets is nothing but an attack on a religion.
You sound like you're 12 years old.DBBrinson1 wrote:
Righto .That's what I thought... So, when is the US going in to put an end to it? Won't the big O weigh in? After all...AussieReaper wrote:
You support freedom of speech. Do you think that should include freedom of religion?DBBrinson1 wrote:
Quick question... Where are the droves of "OMG it's their country! Stay out of it! Mind your own business?"
The banning of minarets is nothing but an attack on a religion.
Nah, What the Swiss are doing, as much as fanatical Muslims religions piss me off, believe what you want. You're free to prove yourself a fool anytime -just stay the fuck away from me. Right?
That's not the definition of atheism. The definition of atheism is, via semantics, the lack of belief in a deity. In my view, all of you view religion as too narrow of a concept when it is actually extremely broad.Spark wrote:
that's quite some definition of "atheism" you got thereDesertFox- wrote:
Some people see atheism as a lack of religion, but I personally don't, but I see where that comes from, because the word religion such a narrow defintition among the general public. To an atheist, a "religious" person is anyone who is not an atheist because all those other things are "the religions". A lot of atheists don't want to be associated with a religion either (don't forget the old 'religion is for weak-minded' saying), so no matter what, you'll never agree with what I say.
Which definition, the one of religion?Uzique wrote:
... what. i think you're the one in the wrong here with your definitionDesertFox- wrote:
Some people see atheism as a lack of religion, but I personally don't, but I see where that comes from, because the word religion such a narrow defintition among the general public. To an atheist, a "religious" person is anyone who is not an atheist because all those other things are "the religions". A lot of atheists don't want to be associated with a religion either (don't forget the old 'religion is for weak-minded' saying), so no matter what, you'll never agree with what I say.
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There are rational reasons, it changes the architecture of an area and I guess the vast majority don't want to listen to the moslem call to prayer.Uzique wrote:
There is no rational reason to ban minarets. It's a reactionary movement based solely on feelings and not rational thought.
