BF2S Forums SEALs Face Assault Charges for Capturing Most-Wanted Terrorist

Dilbert_X wrote:

But their failures are pretty spectacular.
Bin Laden lost.
No WMDs.
Guantanamo a joke.

I'm sure some of the successes are pretty spectacular.

We broke the German and Japanese codes during WW-2
We never had a global thermonuclear war
We never had a nuke go off in a terrorist attack
We've caught many AQ leadership personnel (and a few Iranian Quds forces senior leadership in Iraq)
We found Bin Laden, and had him surrounded for long enough that we was making radio broadcasts, apologizing to his followers for 'failing them.'
(Then we screwed up royally, by letting an Afghani warlord 'negotiate' his surrender.  Funny.. apparently 'negotiate' and 'facilitate' must share the same root word in Dari)
Recipes for Coke, Pepsi, and Colonel Sander's 11 Secret Herbs & Spices haven't seen the light of day.
Most small US children still believe in the Tooth Fairy, Santa Claus, and the Easter Bunny.

Hell, they figured out where the guy in the OP was.
I'm pretty sure he wasn't standing on the corner of Ali Baba strasse & IED Alley, looking for the first cab to Guantanamo he could find.

All in all, the various western intelligence agencies have done a remarkable job maintaining the status quo for the last 65 years.
(Whether or not that is a good thing, depends on your perspective, of course).

To be fair, we've also had our fair share of world-class 'cock ups'.  Many instigated by that pile of prissy Georgetown educated, politically connected, trust-fund tard, frat boys playing James Bond, reverse-Midas-touch, culturally tone deaf, Cowboys gone wild apeshit... commonly known as the Culinary Institute of America.  Our reputation in the middle east is littered with them.
(okay, okay.. sometime they get it right too.  More often than any of us know, I'm sure)

Mekstizzle wrote:

Wait, the title is wrong. They aren't being charged for capturing terrorists, they're being charged for beating one up whilst he was in custody. Those two are very different things, the first one would be much more of a "WTF", the second, well, it's gay, but not so gay.

Of course they're not being charged for capturing a terrorist, do you know how bullshit that would be. I don't know where people get this shit from.

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Flaming_Maniac wrote:

I am trying to understand what kind of superior would take action against soldiers that forcefully detained the guy on the wanted poster, brought him back with a bloody lip and, oh, alive, and then when asked about the bloody lip they said "uhhh...yeah that wasn't us."

It's like lying about what you ate for dinner. It is so insanely minor I don't understand why anyone cares.

the superior is probably just covering their ass tbh

rdx-fx wrote:

Sometimes you let the natives lead the irregular forces, who are fasting for ramadan, don't have NVGs, and flat out refuse to work at night... you let them lead the nighttime capture of the most wanted man in the world, and it doesn't work

That and failing to place mines, troops or surveillance on his most obvious escape route.

I was offhandedly throwing insults at the CIA.

OIC

Varegg wrote:

About the Seals I doubt they will be punished, my guesstimate based on similar cases worst case scenario is a dishonorable discharge ...

I'm guessing that to a "hardcore" SEAL that might be almost as bad as death

Hence why I called it "worst case" ... my initial statement was I doubt they will be punished at all ...

Dilbert_X wrote:

Seals are badass.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wbVIgVi … re=related

This shit is like so serious
But anyway, I think that should be a general pardon. Unless they didn't deny it, his supposed evidence could be from anything. Besides, they deserve to give him a nice shot to the face. They captured the fucker after all

JohnG@lt wrote:

Varegg wrote:

About the Seals I doubt they will be punished, my guesstimate based on similar cases worst case scenario is a dishonorable discharge ...

Worst case is damn harsh. A dishonorable discharge makes you a felon. Can't vote, can't own a gun, have to put it on every single job application etc.

You can't vote ever? That shits wack.

rdx-fx wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

But their failures are pretty spectacular.
Bin Laden lost.

We found Bin Laden, and had him surrounded for long enough that we was making radio broadcasts, apologizing to his followers for 'failing them.'
(Then we screwed up royally, by letting an Afghani warlord 'negotiate' his surrender.  Funny.. apparently 'negotiate' and 'facilitate' must share the same root word in Dari)

From everything I've heard, the British found Bin Laden, had the opportunity to capture him and were asked to stand down by US forces so they could capture him themselves (quite possibly this was due to the fact the British government had made very clear that if they captured him he would not be released into US custody unless guarantees were made he would not face the death penalty).

This is often used by conspiracy theorists as evidence the US don't want him caught - personally I think it was all just a big screw up.

rdx-fx wrote:

All of it covered in a variety of books, (regardless of NDA's signed by the authors).  The book Kill Bin Laden by 'Dalton Fury' (pseudonym) focuses on that incident rather specifically, as he was the US commander of the operation.

So what is the true story?
If the British had captured him its hard to say if he would have been handed over to the US, more likley the ICC.