Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|6962|Canberra, AUS

Harmor wrote:

Hurricane2k9 wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

at Bailed-Out Companies
this.

Part of the whole accepting tons of free money from the government deal was letting the government have a fair bit of control over your company.
Money with strings apparently.  I bet these and other companies aren't going to be asking for any more bailout money ever again...
So... er... you don't want the government to give money to these companies but then you're fine if said money is given without conditions?

Get real.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
nickb64
formerly from OC (it's EXACTLY like on tv)[truth]
+77|5898|Greatest Nation on Earth(USA)

Dilbert_X wrote:

it would have been a whole lot worse if he had done nothing.
o rly???


https://patriotroom.com/images/upload/obama_jobs.JPG
Red dots are actual unemployment figures, not the stuff made up by Team Obama...
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6888|132 and Bush

nickb64 wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

it would have been a whole lot worse if he had done nothing.
o rly???


http://patriotroom.com/images/upload/obama_jobs.JPG
Red dots are actual unemployment figures, not the stuff made up by Team Obama...
Why should I believe those red dots? The only thing that matters in determining the trend is the consistency by which you measure. Obama does not release unemployment figures.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|6962|Canberra, AUS
So that means everyone's predictions were wrong. Not evidence that the stimulus has made things worse (which it can't)

I think you'll find a lot of evidence, though, that the stimulus has been a major positive impact. (besides - why is your stimulus so special that it is hte only stimulus that doesn't work?)

Ward Nye, president and COO of Martin Marietta Materials, testified before the U.S. House of Representatives Committee on Transportation and Infrastructure regarding the status of the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act (ARRA). His testimony, on behalf of the National Stone, Sand & Gravel Association, was to present the aggregate industry's perspective on ARRA and to discuss its impact on the industry.

Nye testified that, despite a 27-percent decrease in aggregate production in the first six months of 2009, there was evidence to suggest that ARRA funds helped maintain the market and prevented significant erosion of the workforce in the transportation construction market of the aggregates industry. The stimulus funds' positive impact may be muted by state and local government budget difficulties.
State officials around the U.S. had an ambitious deadline to meet on Saturday-the first comprehensive report on how stimulus money is affecting the nation. Early estimates are showing that federal stimulus money has created or preserved 11,800 jobs in Minnesota. When you add in jobs that were indirectly created by stimulus funds, over 20,000 total jobs were created or saved.

For Minnesota, the stimulus money could not have come at a better time. Management and Budget Commissioner Tom Hanson said that the biggest impact for Minnesota has come from money that offset state budget cuts from the summer, according toMPR. The cuts and unallotment have meant that cities in Minnesota must examine their budgets with a fine-tooth comb, often at the expense of teachers and public safety officials. Of the 11,800 created or saved, the report estimates that 5,900 were education jobs and 1,200 public safety jobs. These are nurses, counselors, teachers, firefighters, and policemen who, without the stimulus funds, would have found themselves needing to apply for unemployment benefits thanks to reckless budget cuts.
In any case.

Australia's economy would return to trend growth in 2011-12, Dr Henry said, with the IMF forecast of seven per cent unemployment a reasonable figure.

The government's May budget forecast unemployment to hit a peak of 8.5 per cent in 2010-11, and a real contraction in gross domestic product growth of 0.5 per cent for 2009-10.

Dr Henry warned a further 100,000 jobs could be lost if the government's planned stimulus spending is scrapped, saying that withdrawing the stimulus more quickly than scheduled could "risk stalling the economy and causing a steeper rise in the unemployment rate".

"If all the stimulus scheduled to impact in 2010/11 was cancelled, that would mean a further detraction of 1.5 per cent from GDP (gross domestic product) growth and the loss of up to an additional 100,000 (jobs)," he said.

The way the stimulus was planned meant that its winding back was already likely to detract 1.5 per cent from GDP.
This in an economy which was already relatively stable and secure. What impact do you think cutting the stimulus will have on an economy without that luxury?
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6888|132 and Bush

"No doubt" US economy grew in Q3
"There's really no doubt that the third quarter registered growth, and growth at a nontrivial rate, and every expectation that the fourth quarter will do the same," Summers said.
http://www.reuters.com/article/Washingt … GL20091021

Bush and Obama both promoted stimulus packages.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|6962|Canberra, AUS
I think the oh noes debt brigade are completely off the tree. Yes, too much debt can be a bad thing if it is badly targeted debt. You're in a fucking recession, you don't think there'll be some consequences of your actions to get it out? Or do you prefer incompetence?
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
13rin
Member
+977|6766

nickb64 wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

it would have been a whole lot worse if he had done nothing.
o rly???


http://patriotroom.com/images/upload/obama_jobs.JPG
Red dots are actual unemployment figures, not the stuff made up by Team Obama...
When you lay it out like that.... I'm onboard.  Go Team Obama!
I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something.  - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.
Flaming_Maniac
prince of insufficient light
+2,490|6994|67.222.138.85

ATG wrote:

So basically, I am conflicted, hate everything, and don't know why any more.
lol

Red Forman wrote:

i actually like this from obama.  whats your issue atg?
AussieReaper
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
+5,761|6440|what

Spark wrote:

I think the oh noes debt brigade are completely off the tree. Yes, too much debt can be a bad thing if it is badly targeted debt. You're in a fucking recession, you don't think there'll be some consequences of your actions to get it out? Or do you prefer incompetence?
That's how we get out of our mini recession. Spent the whole budget surplus in infrastructure, stimulus plans, etc. Even if you go into debt it's enough to grow GDP and bring in some revenue. And those who cry "but we're now paying off this debt for years!" we're given better infrastructure we would have had to pay for eventually, and can take advantage of it now.
https://i.imgur.com/maVpUMN.png
Bevo
Nah
+718|6808|Austin, Texas
I have no issues with this.

I do have issues with the government spending our money on private companies that are by no means necessary to uphold. Oh noes, GM! The only car dealer in america!
Catbox
forgiveness
+505|7003
Does anyone think the companies and executives wont find away around the salary cap...lol   
and how many executives will just roll out and go to a private company or an overseas company.
Wall St and the White House are in bed together and shagging away...

Last edited by [TUF]Catbox (2009-10-21 19:10:36)

Love is the answer
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6816|Global Command

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

ATG wrote:

So basically, I am conflicted, hate everything, and don't know why any more.
lol

Red Forman wrote:

i actually like this from obama.  whats your issue atg?
General mistrust of the government and central bankers.

Chicken shit change; come out and say you are owned, you are our bitches, your efforts are a product we harvest for our own interests.

But, also Spark makes some good points.
Harmor
Error_Name_Not_Found
+605|6835|San Diego, CA, USA

Spark wrote:

Harmor wrote:

Hurricane2k9 wrote:


this.

Part of the whole accepting tons of free money from the government deal was letting the government have a fair bit of control over your company.
Money with strings apparently.  I bet these and other companies aren't going to be asking for any more bailout money ever again...
So... er... you don't want the government to give money to these companies but then you're fine if said money is given without conditions?

Get real.
No.  I didn't think money should had been given in the first place.  I'm embarrassed to admit this but I'm a little gitty to learn that they are now getting f*cked by the government - thinking they were taking the government for a ride.

Obama isn't a n00bish as he looks.
Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|6962|Canberra, AUS
Well maybe next time they won't be such fuckwits to have to ask for government money to stay afloat, eh?
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6816|Global Command
I suspect some companies have been set up; " act like douches, break your company so we can declare a financial crysis, we'll make it all good and pass some legislation we like and bail you out. "

I like the old style of intervention where the gov broke up ma Bell.
Now, the government helps these fuckwads become too big too fail at the expense of everyone, knowing all the time that the end result would be a take over of entire industries.

Slice it anyway you like it. The government is in an insane powergrab. They are either incompetent or corrupt in everything they have ever done in the last 150 years, and whatever they have a hand in shall become ruined and unrecognizable.

Nope, there is no way to spice up shit enough to have it taste good.

This war againbst fox is one example of them doing and saying things they know go against the grain of our fabric.
They facilitate the banks taking millions of properties so they can take a stake in the companies. But, notice who is being empowered here; the federal reserve. The fed is in charge and nobama is a used car salesman.
Mitch
16 more years
+877|6812|South Florida

ATG wrote:

Can I tell Obama to suck mine?

Or would the swat teams come kicking in the door?

























Ask yourself; who has caused more terror and hardship in your life; Osama or our own governments?
say it while the first amendment is still valid.

fuck, say it before the constitution is completely abolished as a whole and replaced with either north american union rewritten version or some UN treaty bullshitt
15 more years! 15 more years!
Red Forman
Banned
+402|5687
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