Sorry. Old habit.JohnG@lt wrote:
Spark, I like your thoughts but the bold is grating on the eyes
ThanksSpark wrote:
Sorry. Old habit.JohnG@lt wrote:
Spark, I like your thoughts but the bold is grating on the eyes
PS. To all the people that thought "OMG WHY DIDN'T HE DO THAT BEFORE" - maybe you shouldn't have been a sarcastic dickhead about it
None taken. I want a miltary that REMAINS on top of technology, R and D and threats to our nation and our allies. It is a time of war, shrinking the military would seem kinda counter productive to maintaining national security.JohnG@lt wrote:
No offense dude, but you seem to worship at the feet of Hannity. You'll probably deny it but I hear the exact same arguments typed here that I hear him spew on the radio. If I ever hear one more person claim that they want to shrink government without shrinking the military I'm going to scream.lowing wrote:
Never said that.JohnG@lt wrote:
But you want it expanded.
Ah OK, you don't need an armed militia - goodbye 2nd amendment.lowing wrote:
National security is a function of govt, not retirement or healthcare.
Nope, I said the lazy and and the parasites love liberalsim and benefit the most from its ideology. Are you really going to deny that?Spark wrote:
Are you actually suggesting you've never used the words "lazy" or "parasite" in conjunction with liberalism?lowing wrote:
Never mind the fact that I did not use the words lazyiness, or parasitic behavior in my explaination.Spark wrote:
Hey, don't ask me. I've always wondered that myself
To be honest, probably the best 'label' that approaches the original, full meaning of liberalism is libertarianism.
PS. I would take lowing's definition of liberalism with a grain of salt. It is very different to everyone else's and always stated with overt connotations of laziness and parasitic behaviour, which is simply wrong.
My memory isn't that bad
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I want a healthcare and education system that works. I see no evidence that a healthcare or education system that is not controlled at the highest level (I don't really care if individual hospitals/schools are privately run) by a government authority is viable. Yes that does mean some government subsidation - there is no way a country will have a modern workable healthcare system if basic medical treatments cost hundreds or thousands of dollars.
What I don't support is government incompetence.
I want the wars ended and the military shrunk. Keep up with the R&D but there is no need to keep such a large active duty military. I calculated it out once and it was costing in excess of $35M a year just to keep my battalion on active duty. Then, when coupled with pension benefits etc that $35M easily turns into $50M a year...lowing wrote:
None taken. I want a miltary that REMAINS on top of technology, R and D and threats to our nation and our allies. It is a time of war, shrinking the military would seem kinda counter productive to maintaining national security.JohnG@lt wrote:
No offense dude, but you seem to worship at the feet of Hannity. You'll probably deny it but I hear the exact same arguments typed here that I hear him spew on the radio. If I ever hear one more person claim that they want to shrink government without shrinking the military I'm going to scream.lowing wrote:
Never said that.
Healthcare does not.
the armed milita is the national guard and they are fighting a war right now.Dilbert_X wrote:
Ah OK, you don't need an armed militia - goodbye 2nd amendment.lowing wrote:
National security is a function of govt, not retirement or healthcare.
On healthcare best option:
Basic govt insurance available to all.
Private insurance available to anyone who wants to pay, and regulation to stop it being withdrawn arbitrarily.
Some public hospitals
Some private hospitals
Let the market take care of the rest.
No need for you to have a firearm then - hand them in plz.lowing wrote:
the armed milita is the national guard and they are fighting a war right now.
No one wants the wars to end more than those fighting it, you know that. However, since when do we decide that a war is over when it would also take the other party to decide the same thing. Heard from Al Qaeda lately?JohnG@lt wrote:
I want the wars ended and the military shrunk. Keep up with the R&D but there is no need to keep such a large active duty military. I calculated it out once and it was costing in excess of $35M a year just to keep my battalion on active duty. Then, when coupled with pension benefits etc that $35M easily turns into $50M a year...lowing wrote:
None taken. I want a miltary that REMAINS on top of technology, R and D and threats to our nation and our allies. It is a time of war, shrinking the military would seem kinda counter productive to maintaining national security.JohnG@lt wrote:
No offense dude, but you seem to worship at the feet of Hannity. You'll probably deny it but I hear the exact same arguments typed here that I hear him spew on the radio. If I ever hear one more person claim that they want to shrink government without shrinking the military I'm going to scream.
Healthcare does not.
You have no coherent argument regarding this discussion, anyway, I coulda swore I told you to play else where.Dilbert_X wrote:
No need for you to have a firearm then - hand them in plz.lowing wrote:
the armed milita is the national guard and they are fighting a war right now.
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No, the problem is you can't think even half a step ahead.lowing wrote:
You have no coherent argument regarding this discussion anyway, I coulda swore I told you to play else where.
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I really don't give a shit what they think.lowing wrote:
Nope, I said the lazy and and the parasites love liberalsim and benefit the most from its ideology. Are you really going to deny that?Spark wrote:
Are you actually suggesting you've never used the words "lazy" or "parasite" in conjunction with liberalism?lowing wrote:
Never mind the fact that I did not use the words lazyiness, or parasitic behavior in my explaination.
My memory isn't that bad
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I want a healthcare and education system that works. I see no evidence that a healthcare or education system that is not controlled at the highest level (I don't really care if individual hospitals/schools are privately run) by a government authority is viable. Yes that does mean some government subsidation - there is no way a country will have a modern workable healthcare system if basic medical treatments cost hundreds or thousands of dollars.
What I don't support is government incompetence.
How on earth does "the government runs healthcare" equate to "the government controls my life"I agree, however that is why I do not want govt. controlling my life. take medicare for example, this govt. controlling only those that are 65 and older, what percentage of the population is that? 15 20 percent? and they have fucked that up royally.
There are plenty of examples of governments doing what they're supposed to be doing dude. Plenty. Just because they don't get reported - who cares about a government program that runs quietly and does what it's supposed to do?Also look at the mail system. Private buisiness is blowing htem out of the water as well. What is it that gives you faith in govt. when no examples of competency exists to support your opinion?
What have I said that is extreme? Is personal responsibility some how too fuckin' extreme for you?Dilbert_X wrote:
No, the problem is you can't think even half a step ahead.lowing wrote:
You have no coherent argument regarding this discussion anyway, I coulda swore I told you to play else where.
You come out with an extreme and nonsensical strategy or opinion, and can't see where it leads.
When the fallacy is laid out for you you resort to the lame responses you ridicule libruls for.
I'll play where I like kthx.
The idea that healthcare is solely a personal responsibility and anyone who says different is the spawn of Stalin.lowing wrote:
What have I said that is extreme? Is personal responsibility some how too fuckin' extreme for you?
1. Never said you were supposed to care what they think. I said they benefit the most from liberal ideology and you know it.Spark wrote:
I really don't give a shit what they think.lowing wrote:
Nope, I said the lazy and and the parasites love liberalsim and benefit the most from its ideology. Are you really going to deny that?Spark wrote:
Are you actually suggesting you've never used the words "lazy" or "parasite" in conjunction with liberalism?
My memory isn't that bad
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I want a healthcare and education system that works. I see no evidence that a healthcare or education system that is not controlled at the highest level (I don't really care if individual hospitals/schools are privately run) by a government authority is viable. Yes that does mean some government subsidation - there is no way a country will have a modern workable healthcare system if basic medical treatments cost hundreds or thousands of dollars.
What I don't support is government incompetence.How on earth does "the government runs healthcare" equate to "the government controls my life"I agree, however that is why I do not want govt. controlling my life. take medicare for example, this govt. controlling only those that are 65 and older, what percentage of the population is that? 15 20 percent? and they have fucked that up royally.There are plenty of examples of governments doing what they're supposed to be doing dude. Plenty. Just because they don't get reported - who cares about a government program that runs quietly and does what it's supposed to do?Also look at the mail system. Private buisiness is blowing htem out of the water as well. What is it that gives you faith in govt. when no examples of competency exists to support your opinion?
I agree health care needs reforming. My position is, this. GOVT. is anything but the right answer.Dilbert_X wrote:
The idea that healthcare is solely a personal responsibility and anyone who says different is the spawn of Stalin.lowing wrote:
What have I said that is extreme? Is personal responsibility some how too fuckin' extreme for you?
I see no bullshit in my posts. Keep trying.
nepotism? what the fuck does that have to with?Dilbert_X wrote:
Name a commercical project not plagued with fraud, nepotism and inefficiency.
yeah oklowing wrote:
1. Never said you were supposed to care what they think. I said they benefit the most from liberal ideology and you know it.Spark wrote:
I really don't give a shit what they think.lowing wrote:
Nope, I said the lazy and and the parasites love liberalsim and benefit the most from its ideology. Are you really going to deny that?How on earth does "the government runs healthcare" equate to "the government controls my life"I agree, however that is why I do not want govt. controlling my life. take medicare for example, this govt. controlling only those that are 65 and older, what percentage of the population is that? 15 20 percent? and they have fucked that up royally.There are plenty of examples of governments doing what they're supposed to be doing dude. Plenty. Just because they don't get reported - who cares about a government program that runs quietly and does what it's supposed to do?Also look at the mail system. Private buisiness is blowing htem out of the water as well. What is it that gives you faith in govt. when no examples of competency exists to support your opinion?
The government does not 'intefere' in education, it runs education. It sets the cirriculum that the students learn. It provides the funding that allows schools to run at a cost which is affordable.2. It isn't JUST healthcare, I also mentioned retirement, education, industry. If you can not see how govt. interfering in these things is not going to give them control while taking it away from you, then you are their perfect little liberal. The kind of person they love.
In my judgement, there is only one consideration: whether it works or not.3. Really? like what. name a few govt. programs that are not plagued with cost overruns, bureaucracy, fraud waste and abuse.
What you quoted from me there and what you said are not the same.lowing wrote:
"some people may not be mentally healthy or physically healthy enough". <------- Yeah, ya are.RoosterCantrell wrote:
No im not.lowing wrote:
You are speaking of people that can not take responsibility for themselves because of their age or their disability. I am speaking of ALL others.
Or, doing it your waylowing wrote:
Nope, I said the lazy and and the parasites love liberalsim and benefit the most from its ideology. Are you really going to deny that?
So, lowing, are you saying you love liberalism and benefit the most from its ideology???? I think you are.....lowing wrote:
Nope, I said the lazy and and the parasites love liberalism and benefit the most from its ideology. Are you really going to deny that?
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1. don't blame yaSpark wrote:
yeah oklowing wrote:
1. Never said you were supposed to care what they think. I said they benefit the most from liberal ideology and you know it.Spark wrote:
I really don't give a shit what they think.lowing wrote:
Nope, I said the lazy and and the parasites love liberalsim and benefit the most from its ideology. Are you really going to deny that?How on earth does "the government runs healthcare" equate to "the government controls my life"I agree, however that is why I do not want govt. controlling my life. take medicare for example, this govt. controlling only those that are 65 and older, what percentage of the population is that? 15 20 percent? and they have fucked that up royally.
There are plenty of examples of governments doing what they're supposed to be doing dude. Plenty. Just because they don't get reported - who cares about a government program that runs quietly and does what it's supposed to do?
let's get back to things that are actually relevant.The government does not 'intefere' in education, it runs education. It sets the cirriculum that the students learn. It provides the funding that allows schools to run at a cost which is affordable.2. It isn't JUST healthcare, I also mentioned retirement, education, industry. If you can not see how govt. interfering in these things is not going to give them control while taking it away from you, then you are their perfect little liberal. The kind of person they love.In my judgement, there is only one consideration: whether it works or not.3. Really? like what. name a few govt. programs that are not plagued with cost overruns, bureaucracy, fraud waste and abuse.
http://www.economicstimulusplan.gov.au/ … fault.aspx works. Basically wiped all traces of a recession from the economic landscape in this country.
http://www.environment.gov.au/settlemen … index.html $8000 solar panel rebate. Probably the main reason for the massive growth in the solar panel industry between 2007-2008.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clean_Air_Act made city air breathable again. And removed artificial cooling as a local weather phenomenon. Also cut down on acid rain.
There are a whole lot of RnD projects all over the place that would not exist without government funding.
you are speaking in circles, and I believe purposely confusing the issue and now you make no sense whatsoever.RoosterCantrell wrote:
What you quoted from me there and what you said are not the same.lowing wrote:
"some people may not be mentally healthy or physically healthy enough". <------- Yeah, ya are.RoosterCantrell wrote:
No im not.
I am speaking about people with problems or situations, you said "Who can't take responsibility" as if they are dodging responsibility. That's where I said "no".
After all I said, I am pretty clear on that. I try to give examples and situations, but it seems to have come back to that old stereotype. slicing and picking is easy. it's the WHOLE post or paragraph that is important. You're cutting out key aspects that better explain my idea.Or, doing it your waylowing wrote:
Nope, I said the lazy and and the parasites love liberalsim and benefit the most from its ideology. Are you really going to deny that?So, lowing, are you saying you love liberalism and benefit the most from its ideology???? I think you are.....lowing wrote:
Nope, I said the lazy and and the parasites love liberalism and benefit the most from its ideology. Are you really going to deny that?
Um... all those programs are government operated, government funded, government organised by legislation. I don't see what you're getting at here.lowing wrote:
3. Yes govt. funded. NOT govt. organized and operated. The fuckin' road work is govt. funded. that does not mean it is govt. runs it they take the lowest bidder.
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