can't say i particular care for IDF soldiers tbh. can't say i particular care for Hamas either.Red Forman wrote:
well when i say i think some of you smile when israeli soldiers die you would get your panties in a wad.m3thod wrote:
troof hurts.Red Forman wrote:
why do you guys get so fucking personal
The irony here is too perfect.CameronPoe wrote:
Most Europeans facepalmed when they heard Obama got the Nobel Peace Prize ftr. Prize for what? Managing two wars instead of three??? Just goes to show how much a lot of people on here know about European sentiment - fuck all to be precise. Nice generalisations though. It's like assuming all Americans are bible belt inbred rednecks.
1. none the less, do not try and use this a point of hatred for Bush. The economy has got nothing to do with it.CameronPoe wrote:
Because hindsight on the economy makes us love him so much more than we originally did....lowing wrote:
You hated BUsh long before the collapse the glogal econamy was even forseen or cared about. 8 years of Bush and the economy collapsed 3 months before he left. SO you can stow that bullshit.It took the US two weeks to topple a 'real and present danger' that was quite evidently anything but. It was fucking horseshit - all to do with oil, strategic advantage and regional power-playing - all morally wrong reasons to go to war. It was dressed up with lies, hypocrisy, shoddy intel and the pretence that it was done for the Iraqis - who largely deeply resent the US intervention and continued presence. Iraq is not a fucking free nation by any stretch of the imagination you delusional fool. FACT. You feign concern for Iraqis when you utterly despise muslims from the bottom of your dirty soul. Give me a fucking break.lowing wrote:
Diplomicy wa tried for 10 years before came to power regarding Iraq, diplomatic efforts were failed and you know it. Europe is only pissed off because they lost a bedfellow when Saddam was removed.
Since when is removing a tyranical dictator and his sons and freeing a nation doing nothing? As far as the "detainees", I agree they shoulda died on the battlefield instead of being recirculated into combat.He took a side, thereby becoming a hypocrite with no principles and no sense of justice. FACT. The creation of Israel turned Palestinians into what the Jews had been, dispossessed wanderers or oppressed subjects. But of course Bush couldn't play fair now could he. He had to announce that he would turn a blind eye to further transgressions of the Geneva Convention on the part of Israel (settlements).lowing wrote:
He didn't take a double standard he took a side, the correct one I might add, Israel is here tostay, ( oh and he didn't created it) any effort to now destroy it is hostile.Oh yeah, things were so anarchic everywhere before Bush came along. lol... Thanks for pushing the Taliban and Al Qaeda into nuclear-capable Pakistan. GG.lowing wrote:
"He achieved practically nothing only anarchy, division, death, economic strangulation and hatred." <----- he fought back against this, not created this. Unless of course he created it by standing up and fighting back and not appeasing.
You appear to have confused 'Zionism' with 'Judaism'.lowing wrote:
2. Love this one, we pay 2.30 cents for gas, and have no exports of oil from Iraq, that I am aware of, but yeah it was all over oil. Also I do not hate Muslims, they are individuals. I hate the "religion" Islam, get it right. If you are allowed to hate zionism without hating "Jews". THen I am allowd to hate Islam without hating individual Muslims.
I see, so now all of a sudden, after Bush leaves, what a president says or does is not relevant, only how they project themselves. Well ok, lets examine that POV. Are you suggesting that Obama appears intelligent or sincere when he can not utter a complete sentence without a teleprompter? Of course he gets a pass on this I suppose. Nothing biased about that argument as far as I can tell.Bertster7 wrote:
It's not about what they actually say or do, it's about the overall impression. Obama gives the impression that he is fairly intelligent, Bush comes across as a blithering idiot.lowing wrote:
Shall we discuss Obamas faux pas and mis-quotes that he gets passes on?Bertster7 wrote:
Fair points there (well, one of them)....lowing wrote:
You hated BUsh long before the collapse the glogal econamy was even forseen or cared about. 8 years of Bush and the economy collapsed 3 months before he left. SO you can stow that bullshit.
Diplomicy wa tried for 10 years before came to power regarding Iraq, diplomatic efforts were failed and you know it. Europe is only pissed off because they lost a bedfellow when Saddam was removed.
Since when is removing a tyranical dictator and his sons and freeing a nation doing nothing? As far as the "detainees", I agree they shoulda died on the battlefield instead of being recirculated into combat.
He didn't take a double standard he took a side, the correct one I might add, Israel is here tostay, ( oh and he didn't created it) any effort to now destroy it is hostile.
THe rest of your busllshit is nothing more than opinion, and you are welcome to it.
But it raises another point - Europeans hated Bush long before he did anything that "projected strength".
Why did Europeans hate Bush from the start?
That's pretty much it, I reckon.
Not that you can't be an idiot and be successful with the voters in Europe - just look at Borris.
But if you really want to start bringing quotes into it:Bush wrote:
I know the human being and fish can coexist peacefully.
They misunderestimated me.
Rarely is the questioned asked: Is our children learning?Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we.
I promise you I will listen to what has been said here, even though I wasn't here.
You know, one of the hardest parts of my job is to connect Iraq to the war on terror.
Goodbye from the world's biggest polluter.
"The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. It is our number one priority and we will not rest until we find him." --Washington, D.C., Sept. 13, 2001
"I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority." --Washington, D.C., March 13, 2002
There's an old saying in Tennessee -- I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee -- that says, fool me once, shame on --shame on you. Fool me -- you can't get fooled again.
I'll be long gone before some smart person ever figures out what happened inside this Oval Office.
Problem is the enemy is not AL Qaeda. THe problem is ISLAMIC terrorism. Al Qaeda is just a point of that problem, and that problem is world wide, not within borders.Dilbert_X wrote:
And it worked out oh so well didn't it?lowing wrote:
Yup I do, he didn't kiss Europes ass. He had a job to do, regardless as to how unpopular it was to Europes self interests, and he did it anyway. He projected strength in the face of our enemies and Europeans hate that.
Letting AQ escape into Pakistan and re-directing the military against Iraq, when apparently the enemy is actually Iran?
How's the economy BTW?
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Sounds legit.
And how many of these Islamic terrorists other than AQ have attacked the USA?lowing wrote:
Problem is the enemy is not AL Qaeda. THe problem is ISLAMIC terrorism. Al Qaeda is just a point of that problem, and that problem is world wide, not within borders.
Yeah, I'm in the market for a new GFX card and PSU to go with it right now.As far as I can tell the economy is doing fine. It must be, latest and greatest electronic shit is still flying off of the selves.
Am I supposed to give a fuck what they call themselves? They are all the same to me, ISLAMIC terrorists.Dilbert_X wrote:
And how many of these Islamic terrorists other than AQ have attacked the USA?lowing wrote:
Problem is the enemy is not AL Qaeda. THe problem is ISLAMIC terrorism. Al Qaeda is just a point of that problem, and that problem is world wide, not within borders.
Oh wait, you've had more attacks from Christian terrorists.Yeah, I'm in the market for a new GFX card and PSU to go with it right now.As far as I can tell the economy is doing fine. It must be, latest and greatest electronic shit is still flying off of the selves.
Thanks to the mighty aussie dollar its all pretty cheap right now.
What, you mean like Al Gore?PureFodder wrote:
I thought you had to do something to get a nobel peace prize. Something along the lines of causing more peace?
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Anyone can basically be nominated by anyone ... and the price have been awarded before based on what the Nobel institute thought would happen if they awarded it to this or that person ...PureFodder wrote:
I thought you had to do something to get a nobel peace prize. Something along the lines of causing more peace?
I heard that in order to be entered for the prize he would have had to be nominated for it 12 days after entering office.
Kissinger got one too, but this does appear to be giving a prize based on potentially doing something in the future as opposed to actually doing it. For all we know he's planning on declaring all out war against the rest of the world tomorrow.Bertster7 wrote:
What, you mean like Al Gore?PureFodder wrote:
I thought you had to do something to get a nobel peace prize. Something along the lines of causing more peace?
Obama has done more than most (previous winners). A shift in attitudes to diplomacy, a commitment to reduce US nuclear stockpiles and some sort of progress with regards to (plans for) combating climate change. It's not a lot, but it's more than lots of the previous winners ever did.
He's basically getting it for saying he's going to do stuff.
Mother Teresa won it, don't forget - and she was a real bitch.
