ill agree with you only on this
siciliano732 wrote:
...this is an endless argument.
siciliano732 wrote:
...this is an endless argument.
Lets not go here. This is something for Albert Einsten and the Quantum physicists to argue in heaven.raz wrote:
No, no, no, your not getting my point..JaMDuDe wrote:
Its more like there being a room and he says theres a table inside and you say there isnt but the doors closed so neither of you can see whats there.
lol
My point is WEEEE CAN ALL SEE that nothing is there, but instead of him saying he can prove a table/something is there, he wants me/us to prove something ISN'T there. Which is diabolical.
PLEASE STOP SAYING THAT WHAT YOU BELIEVE IS INHERENTLY TRUE!so he is brainwashed because he believes something....something he believes and to him he knows is truth....I believe in the same truth, as did the girl who was shot and killed in Columbine for her faith and admitance to believe in Jesus Christ, the one true God. You are basing your arguements on opinion and philosophical things....not true occurances and proficy that continues to unfold and be proven true. Secondly, you critisize and fail to see the truth because you do not want to see....seek and you shall find. For me, and what seems to be for JamDude....we have sought after Christ and just like his word tells us, he is there...Revalation 3:20 - "Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, then I will come in to him, and will dine with him, and he with me.".....those who disagree, you just do not want to turn back and believe that God exists, let alone sent his PERFECT son, to earth to die a painful death to save your sins and an opportunity to enter the kingdom of heaven.....its all a choice, as for me i choose Christ and would rather know i am going somewhere when my flesh dies rather than in the ground....or not believe and end up Christians and others who have accepted Christ as their personal savior...and spend eternity in hell.....i just dont think its for me.....
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Not the ones who have seen demon possessions!JaMDuDe wrote:
Billions of people have seen miracles, demon possesions, and have seen what God can do in life. And christians go to heaven in most other major religions.
i seen demon possessions before....no wait!!!! they were doing an overdoseVic42 wrote:
Not the ones who have seen demon possessions!JaMDuDe wrote:
Billions of people have seen miracles, demon possesions, and have seen what God can do in life. And christians go to heaven in most other major religions.
hmm...one day ? I wonder when that will be and wether I'll still be alive then.siciliano732 wrote:
bro, im not saying they are saying screw it....i understand "they" think it doesnt exist....
i agree with part B of your second argument though....there are people out there who practice other religions who may never have gotten or got the chance to hear of Jahovah and their time in the world was up....it is all so confusing and contradicting, so i understand why people dont believe but....i dunno....lol...i know what i believe but i dont think as humans we can fully comprehend or even get an exact grasp on things because partially we pick and choose what we want to believe....me i use the Bible as the basis of my Christian beliefs and teachings....but i do understand where you are coming from....
....yet again, an endless argument
one day will will all know the truth....some just know it sooner than others unfortunately
Though it's interesting that science itself takes pride in redundance in engineering.Spark wrote:
That's an excellent point.
Who made religion? Men.
Who thought they communicated with God? Men.
Who wrote the Bible? Men.
Who preach religion? Men.
As far as I can see it, religion was created by a new civilization desprately wanting to understand A. How the world was created B. Why it was created. The gap has now been filled. Religion's original purpose is now redundant.
Though if God exists, he could destroy the universe on a whim, which places him a step above the mythical figure of Chuck Norris. That would certainly change things a bit...Y-D-Donut? wrote:
After all its someones choice to have faith or not. Some do because they belive the stories, some don't because the same reasons I dont. Its all a choice, ur choice. Science, Facts, Reasons, Sence or Faith. No one, not even God himself if he exists, can change that.
The name "Jehovah" is mistranslated nonsense.siciliano732 wrote:
....there are people out there who practice other religions who may never have gotten or got the chance to hear of Jahovah and their time in the world was up....
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Huh? What does that mean (redundance in engineering)?unnamednewbie13 wrote:
Though it's interesting that science itself takes pride in redundance in engineering.Spark wrote:
That's an excellent point.
Who made religion? Men.
Who thought they communicated with God? Men.
Who wrote the Bible? Men.
Who preach religion? Men.
As far as I can see it, religion was created by a new civilization desprately wanting to understand A. How the world was created B. Why it was created. The gap has now been filled. Religion's original purpose is now redundant.Though if God exists, he could destroy the universe on a whim. That would certainly change things a bit...Y-D-Donut? wrote:
After all its someones choice to have faith or not. Some do because they belive the stories, some don't because the same reasons I dont. Its all a choice, ur choice. Science, Facts, Reasons, Sence or Faith. No one, not even God himself if he exists, can change that.
What the...surely you have heard of simple "backup" systems. What else could "redundance in engineering" possibly be but fail-safe? This was a teasing comment in response to the idea of something being redundant when compared to science.Spark wrote:
Huh? What does that mean (redundance in engineering)?unnamednewbie13 wrote:
Though it's interesting that science itself takes pride in redundance in engineering.Spark wrote:
That's an excellent point.
Who made religion? Men.
Who thought they communicated with God? Men.
Who wrote the Bible? Men.
Who preach religion? Men.
As far as I can see it, religion was created by a new civilization desprately wanting to understand A. How the world was created B. Why it was created. The gap has now been filled. Religion's original purpose is now redundant.Though if God exists, he could destroy the universe on a whim. That would certainly change things a bit...Y-D-Donut? wrote:
After all its someones choice to have faith or not. Some do because they belive the stories, some don't because the same reasons I dont. Its all a choice, ur choice. Science, Facts, Reasons, Sence or Faith. No one, not even God himself if he exists, can change that.
"Though if God exists, he could destroy the universe on a whim. That would certainly change things a bit..."
Though if God exists he would never even comtemplate such a thing. Its just out of his scope.
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well, science may have a small idea about A., but I dare say B. remains unresolved, at least "officially".Spark wrote:
That's an excellent point.
Who made religion? Men.
Who thought they communicated with God? Men.
Who wrote the Bible? Men.
Who preach religion? Men.
As far as I can see it, religion was created by a new civilization desprately wanting to understand A. How the world was created B. Why it was created. The gap has now been filled. Religion's original purpose is now redundant.
Oh right. Thanks for that, I had no idea what you were on about at first.unnamednewbie13 wrote:
What the...surely you have heard of simple "backup" systems. What else could "redundance in engineering" possibly be but fail-safe? This was a teasing comment in response to the idea of something being redundant when compared to science.Spark wrote:
Huh? What does that mean (redundance in engineering)?unnamednewbie13 wrote:
Though it's interesting that science itself takes pride in redundance in engineering.Spark wrote:
That's an excellent point.
Who made religion? Men.
Who thought they communicated with God? Men.
Who wrote the Bible? Men.
Who preach religion? Men.
As far as I can see it, religion was created by a new civilization desprately wanting to understand A. How the world was created B. Why it was created. The gap has now been filled. Religion's original purpose is now redundant.
Though if God exists, he could destroy the universe on a whim. That would certainly change things a bit...
"Though if God exists, he could destroy the universe on a whim. That would certainly change things a bit..."
Though if God exists he would never even comtemplate such a thing. Its just out of his scope.
If God does exist, he would never blast his creation into nothingness. I made that statement to, in the manner of devil's advocate, counter the idea that if God existed, he chouldn't change an aspect of human society if so possessed of the desire.
The mishkan you refer to is only the portable temple Moses built. Mikdash refers to the temple King Solomon built. Thus each temple has a different name. Ezekiel was prophesying about the future, eternal Temple.Vic42 wrote:
Did you read the text in your link? It says "I will put my sanctuary among them forever. My dwelling place will be with them". That, my friend, is the Temple. In Hebrew it says "mishcani", "my dwelling". It isn't the least bit ambiguous; the Jews are first told to build a portable Mishcan in the desert after leaving Egypt, and the Bible has detailed instructions. When the Kingdom was established with Jerusalem as its capitol, the first Temple was built to take the place of the portable Mischan; the Bible says God dwelled there. Starting in chapter 40, Ezekiel gives three whole chapters of the details of the third temple as he envisioned it.wannabe_tank_whore wrote:
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?se … version=31Vic42 wrote:
What is the Messiah supposed to accomplish? The Bible says that he will:
A. Build the Third Temple (Ezekiel 37:26-28).
No temple mentioned in those verses. You 'have unquestioningly accepted what you have been told' about this.
How was I wrong about Ezekiel when you were the one who can't even get the Hebew correct?Vic42 wrote:
Um, gee. You were flat out wrong about the Ezekiel verse, and you told me I need to accept an IOU for the other three.wannabe_tank_whore wrote:
Good try... don't believe everything you copy and paste.
First, Olam Haba is an intrepretation and it doesn't affect 'anyone'. It is only for Jews.Vic42 wrote:
In case you were wondering, Jews believe that anyone who lives a moral life can have a place in "Olam HaBa", the world to come. Islam, I believe, is a little more narrow, teaching respect for Jews and Christians as fellow descendents of Abraham and followers of Allah.
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Id like to see you explain miracles. The ones where they know werent hoaxes or just an accident. How about demon possesions? People with no mental issues at all or on any drugs...you explain that.JaMDuDe wrote:
No its because ive looked at other religions and none of them compare to what Jesus did, the prophets who knew of him hundred of years before he came, America was based on christianity and it is now the richest, happiest, and most powerful country in the world. Billions of people have seen miracles, demon possesions, and have seen what God can do in life. And christians go to heaven in most other major religions.
"Miracle" is a term applied by faithful to a prosperous event that they cannot explain, so they naturally try to attribute it to a god for their own reaffirmation in times of doubt. When 'miracles' arrive, they are quickly debunked if given the chance...most religious people tend to look down on the debunking since it then destroys their assurances about any sort of divine intervention. The term "miracle" is too widely used, anyways. A statue crying blood or Mary appearing in a piece of half-eaten toast is not a miracle. The cure for cancer suddenly appearing in front of every hospital in the world in a golden tin would aptly be a miracle.JaMDuDe wrote:
Id like to see you explain miracles. The ones where they know werent hoaxes or just an accident. How about demon possesions? People with no mental issues at all or on any drugs...you explain that.JaMDuDe wrote:
No its because ive looked at other religions and none of them compare to what Jesus did, the prophets who knew of him hundred of years before he came, America was based on christianity and it is now the richest, happiest, and most powerful country in the world. Billions of people have seen miracles, demon possesions, and have seen what God can do in life. And christians go to heaven in most other major religions.
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Explain when a doctor claims "miracle" when a patient recovers after doctors say they will most certainly die.Marconius wrote:
"Miracle" is a term applied by faithful to a prosperous event that they cannot explain, so they naturally try to attribute it to a god for their own reaffirmation in times of doubt. When 'miracles' arrive, they are quickly debunked if given the chance...most religious people tend to look down on the debunking since it then destroys their assurances about any sort of divine intervention. The term "miracle" is too widely used, anyways. A statue crying blood or Mary appearing in a piece of half-eaten toast is not a miracle. The cure for cancer suddenly appearing in front of every hospital in the world in a golden tin would aptly be a miracle.JaMDuDe wrote:
Id like to see you explain miracles. The ones where they know werent hoaxes or just an accident. How about demon possesions? People with no mental issues at all or on any drugs...you explain that.JaMDuDe wrote:
No its because ive looked at other religions and none of them compare to what Jesus did, the prophets who knew of him hundred of years before he came, America was based on christianity and it is now the richest, happiest, and most powerful country in the world. Billions of people have seen miracles, demon possesions, and have seen what God can do in life. And christians go to heaven in most other major religions.
Miracles remain unexplained if no one allows the scientific process to come near them.
Well, there are religious miracles, which refer to the ones JamDuDe is talking about (I think), and there are medical/social/ miracles, in which the odds heavily favor a certain outcome, and the opposite occurs. Seeing as this is a thread about religion, which one do you think he is talking about? I may be mistaken, but it happens sometimes when you use critical thinking to comprehend what people are saying.wannabe_tank_whore wrote:
Explain when a doctor claims "miracle" when a patient recovers after doctors say they will most certainly die.
It sounds like you have intrepreted miracles as only those confirmed by the catholic church.
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