krazed
Admiral of the Bathtub
+619|7065|Great Brown North
http://www.winnipegsun.com/news/winnipe … 6-sun.html

article wrote:

A quiet evening turned into quite the scare for Jason Lang.

Lang, his wife and their three-month old son were about to sit down for dinner at a friend's house in the 500-block of Pritchard Avenue on Friday when the heavily armed tactical support team arrived with guns drawn.

In what could be classified as a case of mistaken identity, Lang said police were acting on a tip that he was spotted carrying a gun earlier in the day.

"I was pretty freaked," the 31-year-old Lang said. "All these guns were pointed at me in the front yard, and I hadn't done anything."

Lang had been brandishing something that afternoon, but it was no gun. Hours before the incident Lang and his friend, Chris Bailey, had come across a discarded washing machine and microwave oven in a back lane. Figuring the appliances might be gone if they went back to get a truck, the two men carried the items a few blocks to the Bailey's home.

When Lang went out the front door to get some hoses for the washing machine, he saw several police officers outside with their guns drawn.

HANDCUFFED

"They had me down on the ground, handcuffed me and started asking me a bunch of questions," he said. "While they were doing this, more cops stormed into the house. It was like the whole SWAT team was there."

Lang said he was eventually told that someone said he had been carrying a gun.

"I don't know where the heck they got that out of us carrying a microwave and a washing machine," he said.

Lang said police searched the house and found nothing. The whole ordeal lasted about 30 minutes.

A spokesman for Winnipeg police said officers must take any reports of firearms seriously.

"He has to understand those officers are acting in good faith," Const. Jason Michalyshen said of Lang. "They're acting on the information they've received, and they have to deal with situations in the way they're trained."

Michalyshen said the number of unfounded gun calls from members of the public -- especially in the North End, which has seen plenty of gun violence this summer -- has been higher than normal at times this year.
this is just another in a long list of bullshit things that's been happening here... all you need to do to really screw with someone is call in an anonymous "i saw him with a gun" call and you can guarantee that the special multimillion dollar tactical team will say hi to him.

how has it come to this point? how in a free country all you need to do to have someones guns taken away is CLAIM they threatened you, or assaulted you. you then have no need to prove that it happened... oh no, now the accused needs to prove that it DIDN'T.

but don't worry, all of your guns will be safely locked away in a police vault, and you'll have lots of time to think about your defense while you try to pay for the lawyers fees.  then try to get your property back  (if it hasnt been "lost"(stolen), destroyed, our auctioned off by now) from the police who have been taking SUCH good care of it.

there have been a number of times where a pissed off ex-girlfriend/boyfriend have called in that they feel their lives are in danger just because they know what will happen

it's a sad day when a person cleaning their shotgun in the back yard is a "danger to public safety" yet a police officer firing 19 rounds at an unarmed suspect in the dark (hitting a number of occupied houses in the process) isn't, and is just doing his job

I don't mind having to get a firearms license, or the safety course required, since the average person knows very little about firearms at all.

i do mind the bullshit "restricted" status on many rifles, shotguns, and handguns though

AR-15 is restricted
Ruger mini 14 is not restricted
the SKS (in some variations) is restricted
the ruger mini 30 is not restricted

for those that know what those rifles are, does that make sense to you?

restricted means that you have to call the firearms center and ask for permission to take your (evil baby killing assault weapon)restricted firearm to a government approved range where you hold a current and up to date membership

and that is the ONLY place you can use it, you can't even bring it to a gunsmith without one of those ATT forms (authorization to transport)

for some reason the SVD is prohibited but the SVT-40 isn't

it boggles the mind

there is so much more i want to put in this post, i just don't know where to start

why does it make national news when a drug dealer is capture with 5-6 guns and a small bit of ammo, but is ignored when a legal gun owner is arrested falsely?

what can be done to try and reverse this downward spiral?

Last edited by krazed (2009-11-04 16:23:05)

Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
+2,006|5644|London, England

krazed wrote:

what can be done to try and reverse this downward spiral?
Move to New Hampshire or Arizona
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
krazed
Admiral of the Bathtub
+619|7065|Great Brown North
lol i've actually given serious thought to that

Last edited by krazed (2009-09-21 11:37:09)

SEREMAKER
BABYMAKIN EXPERT √
+2,187|6854|Mountains of NC

and yet everyone gives america shit
https://static.bf2s.com/files/user/17445/carhartt.jpg
krazed
Admiral of the Bathtub
+619|7065|Great Brown North
everyone forgets about us

i fear our days of being able to own anything are very limited

a number of the political parties here have openly said that if they get in they will push for a handgun ban along with a blanket semi auto ban for rifles and shotguns

Last edited by krazed (2009-09-21 12:17:40)

-Whiteroom-
Pineapplewhat
+572|6944|BC, Canada
havent really seen any anti gun hysteria up here, and the majority of the people who have guns up here, (north of Van), seem to be Surrey wankstas anyway.
Karbin
Member
+42|6580
AR-15 is restricted
Why?   It looks like a military firearm
Ruger mini 14 is not restricted
Why not?  It dose not look like a military firearm
SKS is restricted
Why?  It looks like, and is, a military firearm.
Ruger mini 30 is not restricted
Why? It dose not look like a military firearm.
SVD is prohibited.
Why? It is a military firearm.
SVT-40 isn't prohibited but is restricted
Why?  Barrel length.

Almost all FN C1 A1's that were in service before the C7 came into service, were destroyed. Not sold on the open market or passed off to another country.
The ones that are out there are NOT allowed back in the country. The ones still in Canada are to be destroyed at the end of their service life. Most of the ones still in Canada are in the hands of the RCMP.

The Canadian government dose not want military firearms in the country.
Any pistol with a barrel length of LESS then 6 inch is prohibited. Only the the Police or the military may have. ( as always, there are some exceptions made)
ghettoperson
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I'd much rather have a Mini-14 than an AR-15.
cpt.fass1
The Cap'n Can Make it Hap'n
+329|6981|NJ
A microwave looks like a gun?

Are there alot of Hunters up there?
krazed
Admiral of the Bathtub
+619|7065|Great Brown North
lots, but also lots of jumpy city people
13rin
Member
+977|6765

ghettoperson wrote:

I'd much rather have a Mini-14 than an AR-15.
My mini had a faster cycle rate than my bushmaster.  It was wierd...
I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something.  - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.
cpt.fass1
The Cap'n Can Make it Hap'n
+329|6981|NJ

krazed wrote:

lots, but also lots of jumpy city people
That's still my biggest push for lighter gun control. Alot of people use it to suppliment their food supply..

But anyway, how the fuck do you mistake a Microwave for a gun? Guess the people in America's Hat can't hold thing anymore.
krazed
Admiral of the Bathtub
+619|7065|Great Brown North

Karbin wrote:

AR-15 is restricted
Why?   It looks like a military firearm
looks scary

Karbin wrote:

Ruger mini 14 is not restricted
Why not?  It dose not look like a military firearm
isn't scary

Karbin wrote:

SKS is restricted
Why?  It looks like, and is, a military firearm.
is scary

Karbin wrote:

Ruger mini 30 is not restricted
Why? It dose not look like a military firearm.
isn't scary

Karbin wrote:

SVD is prohibited.
Why? It is a military firearm.
is scary

Karbin wrote:

SVT-40 isn't prohibited but is restricted
Why?  Barrel length.

Karbin wrote:

The Canadian government dose not want military firearms in the country.
then why do we have m1 carbines, M1 Garands, enfields, mausers, mosin nagants, swiss rifles, and the SKS

"military rifles" that are restricted to semi automatics should not be a problem


there should be an exception on the SVT-40 simply because it's silly to say it's slightly shorter barrel makes it more dangerous

and i used the SVT-40 as an example because it fires the same round the SVD does and in a similar fashion


cpt.fass1 wrote:

krazed wrote:

lots, but also lots of jumpy city people
That's still my biggest push for lighter gun control. Alot of people use it to suppliment their food supply..

But anyway, how the fuck do you mistake a Microwave for a gun? Guess the people in America's Hat can't hold thing anymore.
but guns murder people remember? they just get up on their own and go on mass killing sprees, just like cars and alcohol on busy party weekends

you do it the same way you call in someone shooting with a "rifle" in their back yard... only for it to end up being an air rifle
Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
+2,006|5644|London, England
This thread confuses me because Michael Moore told me that all Canadians are nice and that they all own guns and that they don't have crime. Was he lying to me?
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
13rin
Member
+977|6765
http://licgweb.doacs.state.fl.us/stats/cw_monthly.html

Guns in the hands of law abiding citizens are not a problem.  167 of 1.6 MILLION.
I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something.  - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.
Karbin
Member
+42|6580
M1 carbine IS prohibited. Barrel length.
M1 Rifle is not prohibited but, IS restricted. I think part of that is it's 8 round clip.

Enfields, mausers, mosin nagants. All Bolt rifles.

There should be an exception on the SVT-40 simply because it's silly to say it's slightly shorter barrel makes it more dangerous.
No, shorter barrel makes them concealable. Same reason the AK 47 is prohibited. Same with mag size.

Don't get me wrong, I think the firearms laws here are STUPID!! the majority want even more restricted laws and more prohibited items.
The impression I get is that the public do not want something like The North Hollywood Shootout with the cops being overpowered and over gunned.

And firing a air gun in your back yard WILL get you a visit from the SWAT team in most city's and a charge for weapons dangerous to public peace.
Karbin
Member
+42|6580

JohnG@lt wrote:

This thread confuses me because Michael Moore told me that all Canadians are nice and that they all own guns and that they don't have crime. Was he lying to me?
Toronto 2005. 80 murders. 52 by firearems.
            2004  27 deaths by firearms.
            2006  39 deaths by firearms
            2007  84 murders roughly half with a firearm 


The Big incident that has had a major effect happened in 2005.
On December 26, 2005, 15-year-old Jane Creba was shot and killed in the Boxing Day shooting while shopping on Yonge Street in downtown Toronto. After this incident, many people called for the federal government to ban handguns in Canada.
This shooting happend on the MAJOR street in Toronto. Two groups of males started banging away at eachother. Six other bystanders—four men and two women—were wounded.

As far as I know, none of the shooters was hit.
-Whiteroom-
Pineapplewhat
+572|6944|BC, Canada

Karbin wrote:

As far as I know, none of the shooters was hit.
we got skills up here.
Karbin
Member
+42|6580

Nic wrote:

Karbin wrote:

As far as I know, none of the shooters was hit.
we got skills up here.
Shooting skill brought to you by PS2, PS3, Xbox, Xbox360 and Nintendo.

krazed
Admiral of the Bathtub
+619|7065|Great Brown North

Karbin wrote:

M1 carbine IS prohibited. Barrel length.
M1 Rifle is not prohibited but, IS restricted. I think part of that is it's 8 round clip.
the M1 carbine is restricted with non res version available with longer barrels

the M1 Garand is non restricted due to a special exemption that allows it to have 8, because it uses an 8 round en bloc

Karbin wrote:

No, shorter barrel makes them concealable. Same reason the AK 47 is prohibited. Same with mag size.


yes the SVT-40 is very concealable... you know except for being large and very heavy

and AFAIK the mag restrictions came in because of the '89 Montreal shooting (you know, the one where the police waited outside while he was still shooting)

Karbin wrote:

Enfields, mausers, mosin nagants. All Bolt rifles.
military bolt actions are still military

Karbin wrote:

Same reason the AK 47 is prohibited
the AK-47 is prohibited because it's full auto

we can get the CZ 858 that looks really similar, handles similarly, and fires the same round... it's just a semi

Karbin wrote:

Don't get me wrong, I think the firearms laws here are STUPID!! the majority want even more restricted laws and more prohibited items.
The impression I get is that the public do not want something like The North Hollywood Shootout with the cops being overpowered and over gunned.
then people should fight to get the police the proper training and equipment they need, half an hour on a range once a year is not enough

and the majority of people have no idea what we go through to even get to the point where we can START to purchase a gun.... never mind the storage and transportation regulations.

all they see is some piece of shit gang member blasting away with an other the border pistol, because that's all the news will show! they DON'T show the large group shoots, or the large competitions... because few city dwellers want to see something they don't like put into a positive light

Karbin wrote:

And firing a air gun in your back yard WILL get you a visit from the SWAT team in most city's and a charge for weapons dangerous to public peace.
it will, but it shouldnt. people should be able to tell the difference between a BB/pellet gun firing into a phone book against a shed, and a full on rifle... the sound is just a LITTLE different, although movies and TV would tell you otherwise

Karbin wrote:

Toronto 2005. 80 murders. 52 by firearems.
            2004  27 deaths by firearms.
            2006  39 deaths by firearms
            2007  84 murders roughly half with a firearm
lovely stat.... how many murders are criminal on criminal? i can never find any reliable stats for this.... it always just lists suicide, homicide, accidental, undetermined on all of the firearm death stats i find

Nic wrote:

havent really seen any anti gun hysteria up here, and the majority of the people who have guns up here, (north of Van), seem to be Surrey wankstas anyway.
well there's your problem

Last edited by krazed (2009-09-21 15:00:24)

-Whiteroom-
Pineapplewhat
+572|6944|BC, Canada
I am for tougher gun laws up here, but more on the end of people who get caught with un-registered, illegal, or stolen fire arms.
krazed
Admiral of the Bathtub
+619|7065|Great Brown North
tougher penalties for existing laws then

Last edited by krazed (2009-09-21 15:07:35)

-Whiteroom-
Pineapplewhat
+572|6944|BC, Canada
yup. and tougher penalties for repeat offenders of those laws.
krazed
Admiral of the Bathtub
+619|7065|Great Brown North
that's what we've been always calling for, but all we get are new useless laws
Karbin
Member
+42|6580
M1 rifle IS restricted. I tried to get one, once. Had to go through the B.S. of a restricted permit IF I wanted it.
Thats above the F.A.C. class's and rules.
At that time, I lived out in the sticks, so the O.P.P would have to come by once and a while and check that the lock-up rules and such were being used.

I'm in a city now, and had the police pay me a visit just for cleaning a paintball marker..... in my BACK YARD.
Not shooting...just cleaning.

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