Shem
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O shi.

Not much more to say.

If you didn't see it, he broadcast a live feed of the lottery on BBC1 and turned around his numbers just after it was finished.

Oh and he tells us how he did it on friday, which will inevitably be stupidly hard or lucky, or.. just a trick, which is likely, I'm very intrigued to find out how he did it, I've no doubt this was just a very well put together illusion, however it was very well done.

Last edited by Shem (2009-09-09 15:22:46)

CammRobb
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I'm sceptical...
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I bet it's a simple trick with the balls, I mean why did he even use the white balls to show them? He could have used an actual lottery ticket and only shown the back of it until after the draw or something. Then he could have even donated to charity or something.

And that whole thing about he "wasn't allowed to show them before the draw" seemed like a cop out to me, any douche can go on the TV and guess what they will be.

I mean obviously he isn't psychic or something, but I bet it was just a simple thing he did with the balls.
https://imgur.com/kXTNQ8D.png
Shem
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The Guardian wrote:

The illusionist, who has been banned from buying a ticket for the draw, will then reveal how he did it on a follow-up show on Friday.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/culture/2009/ … ul-daniels

Aye, there will be likely a simple trick to it, however it was well done and I expect more from Derren then to use a time delay or whatever, nonetheless, it will be interesting to see how he explains it on friday.
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Again, "banned from buying a ticket" also seems like a cop out, I mean if he wanted to get a ticket, he could have. I bet he wasn't even banned.
https://imgur.com/kXTNQ8D.png
ghettoperson
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He's just a statistician and an illusionist, I'm sure it'll be fairly simple.
Hakei
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He's a very clever man, one of those people you'd just love to meet.
KEN-JENNINGS
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Yeah, the guy has the ability to predict the numbers for the lotto and...he goes on television to tell everyone.  OK.

Sham, fake, sleight-of-hand, bullshit.
Lynx
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No shit, probably why he's an illusionist and not a psychic
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Hakei
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KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Yeah, the guy has the ability to predict the numbers for the lotto and...he goes on television to tell everyone.  OK.

Sham, fake, sleight-of-hand, bullshit.
What's the bet you're American and never heard of Derren Brown? He's a truth artist, and never claims to have super powers, he's completely open with his techniques and has done things like this numerous times before, it's his job.
justice
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KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Yeah, the guy has the ability to predict the numbers for the lotto and...he goes on television to tell everyone.  OK.

Sham, fake, sleight-of-hand, bullshit.
It will be a very clever trick though.

Did anyone see the thing he did last year, where he chose one woman to bet her entire life savings on a horse race, and she won?

At first you're like yeah right....but when he explained it, you're like omg, completely logical.
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KEN-JENNINGS
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Lynx wrote:

No shit, probably why he's an illusionist and not a psychic
Which is essentially saying, "No shit, he uses generic camera tricks and TV editing that virtually anyone can do but I'm so intrigued by such simple-minded pursuits that I actually am mesmerized by this charlatan's fake clairvoyance."
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KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Lynx wrote:

No shit, probably why he's an illusionist and not a psychic
Which is essentially saying, "No shit, he uses generic camera tricks and TV editing that virtually anyone can do but I'm so intrigued by such simple-minded pursuits that I actually am mesmerized by this charlatan's fake clairvoyance."
That's the gist of it, yeah.
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Hakei wrote:

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Yeah, the guy has the ability to predict the numbers for the lotto and...he goes on television to tell everyone.  OK.

Sham, fake, sleight-of-hand, bullshit.
What's the bet you're American and never heard of Derren Brown? He's a truth artist, and never claims to have super powers, he's completely open with his techniques and has done things like this numerous times before, it's his job.
$5, now go buy a bunch of lotto tickets and have this dude tell you the numbers for them.

You can't predict the lotto.  I don't care how much of a "truth" artist he is (whatever that means), the probability for the lotto to hit a certain set of numbers in unison is so astronomically high that it can't be done.
Hakei
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KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Lynx wrote:

No shit, probably why he's an illusionist and not a psychic
Which is essentially saying, "No shit, he uses generic camera tricks and TV editing that virtually anyone can do but I'm so intrigued by such simple-minded pursuits that I actually am mesmerized by this charlatan's fake clairvoyance."
You're so ignorant it's not even funny.

Stop typing, you're an idiot.
justice
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KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Lynx wrote:

No shit, probably why he's an illusionist and not a psychic
Which is essentially saying, "No shit, he uses generic camera tricks and TV editing that virtually anyone can do but I'm so intrigued by such simple-minded pursuits that I actually am mesmerized by this charlatan's fake clairvoyance."
Hard to find on the net, but try and watch "Derren Brown: The System" it shows how he predicts the winner of a horse race correctly for 3 months in a row and turns a woman into a millionaire, by letting her bet all her money on his predictions......Now of course he couldn't really do that, but there's no tricks involved, no fixed races, nothing wrong.....and the woman really does become a millionaire, it's fascinating when he explains how he does it.

Last edited by justice (2009-09-09 16:13:56)

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KEN-JENNINGS
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Hakei wrote:

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Lynx wrote:

No shit, probably why he's an illusionist and not a psychic
Which is essentially saying, "No shit, he uses generic camera tricks and TV editing that virtually anyone can do but I'm so intrigued by such simple-minded pursuits that I actually am mesmerized by this charlatan's fake clairvoyance."
You're so ignorant it's not even funny.

Stop typing, you're an idiot.
Please explain yourself.  Or rather, explain how he predicted anything.  Plus you really shouldn't insult people, especially those in superior positions to you.  It's something you learn as you progress in life, but I'm showing you now.  It's not throwaway advice.

justice wrote:

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Lynx wrote:

No shit, probably why he's an illusionist and not a psychic
Which is essentially saying, "No shit, he uses generic camera tricks and TV editing that virtually anyone can do but I'm so intrigued by such simple-minded pursuits that I actually am mesmerized by this charlatan's fake clairvoyance."
Hard to find on the net, but try and watch "Derren Brown: The System" it shows how he predicts the winner of a horse race correctly for 3 months in a row and turns a woman into a millionaire, by letting her bet all her money on his predictions......Now of course he couldn't really do that, but there's no tricks involved, no fixed races, nothing wrong.....and the woman really does become a millionaire, it's fascinating when he explains how he does it.
You should just tell me how he does it instead so I don't have to watch that show.
Shem
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Hakei wrote:

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Lynx wrote:

No shit, probably why he's an illusionist and not a psychic
Which is essentially saying, "No shit, he uses generic camera tricks and TV editing that virtually anyone can do but I'm so intrigued by such simple-minded pursuits that I actually am mesmerized by this charlatan's fake clairvoyance."
You're so ignorant it's not even funny.

Stop typing, you're an idiot.
This.

Go watch some of his stuff Ken.

He is a brilliantly talented person performing his illusions through "magic, suggestion, psychology, misdirection and showmanship", not petty camera tricks and TV editing.

He isn't claiming that he can really predict the lottery without fail every and any week he wants, however he will have an extremely impressive system in which he has correctly had these numbers in front of him. He doesn't claim clairvoyance, and afaik has never used any camera tricks or anything else to achieve the desired effect for the viewer.

Here's a nice little video of his http://www.metacafe.com/watch/956409/de … ads_dr_ag/

Last edited by Shem (2009-09-09 16:23:48)

JakAttaK
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justice wrote:

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Lynx wrote:

No shit, probably why he's an illusionist and not a psychic
Which is essentially saying, "No shit, he uses generic camera tricks and TV editing that virtually anyone can do but I'm so intrigued by such simple-minded pursuits that I actually am mesmerized by this charlatan's fake clairvoyance."
Hard to find on the net, but try and watch "Derren Brown: The System" it shows how he predicts the winner of a horse race correctly for 3 months in a row and turns a woman into a millionaire, by letting her bet all her money on his predictions......Now of course he couldn't really do that, but there's no tricks involved, no fixed races, nothing wrong.....and the woman really does become a millionaire, it's fascinating when he explains how he does it.
Was funny watching her shit herself as he told her his technique though.
Group of people all told a different horse - people who were told the right horse go through
Repeat till your down to the last 6

That wasn't his system though because when it gets down to it, he tells her to bet on the wrong horse, then goes and puts her money on another horse which does win. So he clearly does have a proper system.
KEN-JENNINGS
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So his whole "system" is witholding information from the viewer and contestants, and this is supposed to be magical illusionist psychology?  It's virtually the same as camera 'tricks' and editing - you are only giving the viewer certain information.  Sorry, I don't find that compelling at all, nor particularly hard.

But hey, if it entertains you, cool.
FatherTed
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If he could actually predict the lottery, he would be a millionaire.

Delayed feed.
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KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

So his whole "system" is witholding information from the viewer and contestants, and this is supposed to be magical illusionist psychology?  It's virtually the same as camera 'tricks' and editing - you are only giving the viewer certain information.  Sorry, I don't find that compelling at all, nor particularly hard.

But hey, if it entertains you, cool.
Of course he isn't magic, that's a pretty stupid thing to say.

I think this probably won't be one of his better illusions, but some of them are quite interesting and it makes you wonder how he did it,

It's just interesting to know how he did it, do you know how he did it?
https://imgur.com/kXTNQ8D.png
JakAttaK
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FatherTed wrote:

If he could actually predict the lottery, he would be a millionaire.

Delayed feed.
Na couldn't have been. He was telling people to turn over and check that what was happening on his TV was happening on ours.
Ty
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Derren Brown's a clever bugger. He always has a method and he always explains it so you don't get that "HOW DID HE DO THAT!?" madness. My cousin's a big fan of his, he's into all that mind-fuckery stuff.
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