And you think the Christians and jews killing and pillaging their way across the ME is any different?lowing wrote:
NOT when what they ar doing was practiced and taught by the founder of Islam.
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Yup it is different (for Chrsitians anyway, dunno about the jews)Dilbert_X wrote:
And you think the Christians and jews killing and pillaging their way across the ME is any different?lowing wrote:
NOT when what they ar doing was practiced and taught by the founder of Islam.
Oh wait, you were part of that weren't you lowing?
Ummmm yeah thats about it, do you really have a problem with proving the teachings and actions of Muhammad were non-violent? I can show where they were violent, why should you be exempt from showing where they weren't violent?Shahter wrote:
no, you don't get it - he doesn't say they are all like that, he says they all should be like that, according to the book, he didn't read. he also thinks that to prove that religion is not violent and intolerant one needs to show it to be non-violent and tolerant.Varegg wrote:
We don't doubt current events lowing, it's just that current events does not reflect what Islam really is about ... current events are a product of fanatics that twist religion to serve their purpose ... speaking generally of course.
Your mistake is to round up current events and believe that all Muslims are like that ...
lowing, dude, you should apply for the nobel prize - you invented new kind of logic never heard of before!
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Interesting reading, too bad the rest of your link about the prophet was full of battles and captives and executions. Go on read it.Beduin wrote:
Muhammad and what they say about Him
enjoy yourself.CameronPoe wrote:
Just spent all day chatting with my Muslim driver and several Muslim guides. Surrounded and walking amongst approximately 22 million Muslims. Head still firmly attached to shoulders. Very interesting being in Egypt during Ramadan - they are gagging for food by 6:30pm and the streets turn into impromptu al fresco dinner parties. Added Bonus: way less tourists than normal!
love you lowinglowing wrote:
Interesting reading, too bad the rest of your link about the prophet was full of battles and captives and executions. Go on read it.Beduin wrote:
Muhammad and what they say about Him
back at ya.Beduin wrote:
love you lowinglowing wrote:
Interesting reading, too bad the rest of your link about the prophet was full of battles and captives and executions. Go on read it.Beduin wrote:
Muhammad and what they say about Him
Muhammed is not their saviour, he's their prophet, like moses - who does teach killing, pillaging, child rape etc.lowing wrote:
Christian savior does not teach killing and pillaging like Muhammad does for Islam.
You are not making an argument, you are side stepping and squirming, as usual. you have not provided anything showing Isam as tolerant or even peaceful. Nothing. the net is full of articles and links claiming otherwise. I am sorry if you hate that, but maybe it is time you come to grips with the truth about Muhammad ande his religion. As provided by Beduins own link.Dilbert_X wrote:
Muhammed is not their saviour, he's their prophet, like moses - who does teach killing, pillaging, child rape etc.lowing wrote:
Christian savior does not teach killing and pillaging like Muhammad does for Islam.
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Haven't tried to.lowing wrote:
you have not provided anything showing Isam as tolerant or even peaceful
Oh well that proves it.Nothing. the net is full of articles and links claiming otherwise.
I want to compare the 2 figures each religion are founded upon. you want to compare a primary figure in one relgion with a secondary figure in anotherDilbert_X wrote:
Haven't tried to.lowing wrote:
you have not provided anything showing Isam as tolerant or even peaceful
I have succeeded in showing that the central prophet of christianity carried out slaughter and rape of women and children though.
Christianity and judaism are just as intolerant and violent as islam, they're all medieval cults.
If you take all three and read only the violent parts and ignore the peace and love bits they are basically the same.
OTOH If you take only the peaceful parts of christianity and the violent parts of islam then you're not proving anything.Oh well that proves it.Nothing. the net is full of articles and links claiming otherwise.
you can't.lowing wrote:
I want to compare the 2 figures each religion are founded upon.
current events have nothing to do with religion - religion's been adjusted to current events as it's always done.lowing wrote:
I wantt to compare current events
you know jack shit about those so called "teachings".lowing wrote:
I want to compare specifically the teachings of the 2 messengers of God for each religion.
it cannot be done - the data is unreliable to the extreme.lowing wrote:
I want to compare the specific actions of each messenger of God
you try to compare incomparable stuff... well, maybe in terms of being utter nonsence it actually could, if only somebody could come up with a way to measure just how idiotic things were.lowing wrote:
I wnat an apples to apples comparison
the stuff you provide as evidence is complete crap.lowing wrote:
I can prove my points with links and articles I provide
the only "point" you may make based on the above have been posted a dosen+ pages earlier already:lowing wrote:
I have more than made my case
FEOS wrote:
i think all we've proved so far is humans use religions among other things, to justify violence.
another perfect example of an argument that isn'tShahter wrote:
you can't.lowing wrote:
I want to compare the 2 figures each religion are founded upon.current events have nothing to do with religion - religion's been adjusted to current events as it's always done.lowing wrote:
I wantt to compare current eventsyou know jack shit about those so called "teachings".lowing wrote:
I want to compare specifically the teachings of the 2 messengers of God for each religion.it cannot be done - the data is unreliable to the extreme.lowing wrote:
I want to compare the specific actions of each messenger of Godyou try to compare incomparable stuff... well, maybe in terms of being utter nonsence it actually could, if only somebody could come up with a way to measure just how idiotic things were.lowing wrote:
I wnat an apples to apples comparisonthe stuff you provide as evidence is complete crap.lowing wrote:
I can prove my points with links and articles I providethe only "point" you may make based on the above have been posted a dosen+ pages earlier already:lowing wrote:
I have more than made my caseFEOS wrote:
i think all we've proved so far is humans use religions among other things, to justify violence.
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and I have maintained a religion is only as good as its teachings. Islam teaches violence and intolerance, and it uses Sharia LAw to enforce those teachings. I do not give a fuck what people do in the name of relgion. My whole argument is what a religion teaches.Shahter wrote:
as i said, i dont need to prove anything - because i never claimed that religion can be violent or otherwise. i've said numerious time that religion is only as good or as bad is the purpose for which it's being used. i also gave pretty of examples - much better examples than any of yours, those actually based on reality, not on dusty old books and propaganda in the media. it's actually you who choose to ignore stuff here.
Oh look yet another NON-argument. Go figure.
Making points against yours is like banging ones head into a brick wall lowing, whatever the rest of us can come up with will never ever shift your stand so what is the point?lowing wrote:
Oh look yet another NON-argument. Go figure.
you will never know until you try, and as of yet, mis-direction, dismissal, denial, and insults, hardly warrants an argument.Varegg wrote:
Making points against yours is like banging ones head into a brick wall lowing, whatever the rest of us can come up with will never ever shift your stand so what is the point?lowing wrote:
Oh look yet another NON-argument. Go figure.
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Ehr ... where have you been for the last years lowing?lowing wrote:
you will never know until you try, and as of yet, mis-direction, dismissal, denial, and insults, hardly warrants an argument.Varegg wrote:
Making points against yours is like banging ones head into a brick wall lowing, whatever the rest of us can come up with will never ever shift your stand so what is the point?lowing wrote:
Oh look yet another NON-argument. Go figure.
and like I already said, if you could provide a real argument that shows Islam, its teachings and its laws, were tolerant and peaceful, you would have done so by now.
