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FEOS wrote:

No. I don't think it's up to an Iranian court to decide. And it's not up to you to decide that it's even prosecutable.

Why not? Megrahi was extracted and prosecuted by the Scots, why shouldn't the Captain of that boat be extracted and prosecuted by the Iranians?

And you have any evidence to support any of those allegations?

Its been covered extensively, he was being a complete twat.

CameronPoe wrote:

Uzique wrote:

It's hard to objectively compare the GDP and quality-of-life in England and Ireland when our state and society is still keeping Wales and Scotland afloat...

And yes, I'm all for cutting them loose. I'm not a throwback to colonial Imperialism or haw-haw attitudes, at all. I just think if the era of empire is over, dismantled and gone, then why are we still societally and economically funding two other sovereign states that are fucked up shit creek without a paddle? I'd rather enjoy a better quality of life for my fellow Englishman than to suffer even marginally because we have to publicly fund schemes and welfare systems in Wales and Scotland.

I think you forget that it isn't all give and no take. North sea oil, which the UK and consequently England has benefited immensely from, is Scottish.

And isn't even close to the overall level of subsidy they receive. Much of which is totally unjustified and a product of devolution.

CameronPoe wrote:

Many unpleasant nuclear power plants are situated in Scotland and by all accounts Scotland is a massive net exporter of electricity to England.

What you fail to mention there is that Scotland is almost as big as England, but has a tiny fraction of the population. Scotland has much more big empty spaces which are suitable for putting nuclear plants in. England is quite full up. You're also not very accurate on this, which surprises me since I thought this was your field of expertise. There are only 2 nuclear power stations in Scotland, which do not provide enough power for all of Scotland, let alone enough to export to the rest of the UK.

The Scottish parliament has also been persistently blocking any attempts to build nuclear power plants there, a big part of the British plan to cut carbon emissions in line with the quota the government have set themselves.

CameronPoe wrote:

Scottish men and women die on foreign fields for a Queen that sits in a palace in London. I think Scotland should be independent and if I was English I too would be wondering why I partly subsidise them but your attitude is just all wrong.

I certainly wonder why we subsidise them in the manner we do. I wouldn't care if it was done in a fair way, but when Scottish people get special treatment that English people don't get, I think it completely unjustified. Why should Scottish students not have to pay tuition fees while English students do? Why should the Scottish and the Welsh get free prescriptions?

I think it's outrageous. The only reason this things have been passed is devolution. Either united British rule or complete independence for each nation. This farcical system really should not continue.

CameronPoe wrote:

Lowest common denominator nationalism and racism is not exactly very becoming. As if the piece of turf you stand on somehow automatically dictates your worth. Pfft.

In principle, it should not. It practice, of course it does.

OMG! A country bent its laws and morals over oil and commercial contracts?

That never happened before.

(Last nail in the coffin of Gordon Brown I think....)

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usm wrote:

yes but nobody cares unless certain countries do it.......

Yes but they pretend its about 'freedom' and 'democracy', which is just annoying.

Pretty sure all the DU the US has spread around 'helping' will pretty much negate that.

Gordon Brown is a muppet, we've known this for about ten years now.

Still if it suits the UK national interest they're free to do whatever they like.
Isn't that how it works?

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Gordon Brown just let one guy out of prison, its not as if he invaded a country and killed tens of thousands of people or anything.

Well its funny, the US funded the IRA forever, their main fundraiser just got a state funeral, and they're griping because the UK let Megrahi out?

We don't have closets, we have cupboards.

Lets see, the IRA kill thousands of British and you send them money.
The Libyans (probably the Syrians in fact) kill a few hundred Americans and you want us to get involved?

Funny that the US is getting all excited about a bit of British duplicity when it was US duplicity over Gulf War I which got Megrahi convicted in the first place.

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Uzique wrote:

It's hard to objectively compare the GDP and quality-of-life in England and Ireland when our state and society is still keeping Wales and Scotland afloat...

And yes, I'm all for cutting them loose. I'm not a throwback to colonial Imperialism or haw-haw attitudes, at all. I just think if the era of empire is over, dismantled and gone, then why are we still societally and economically funding two other sovereign states that are fucked up shit creek without a paddle? I'd rather enjoy a better quality of life for my fellow Englishman than to suffer even marginally because we have to publicly fund schemes and welfare systems in Wales and Scotland.

Cutting us off wouldn't really help matters financially, England faces the very same economic outlook as most of the western world (fucked).  I work for HMRC, and the moteif of, scrounging, money grabbing bastards, is an attribute that transcends nationality on this island.

m3thod wrote:

i thought you test drove cars?

Not for months now, knowone left to bankroll it, atleast, not in this country there isnt.

I'm not trolling (particularly).

Significant numbers in the US campaigned like crazy to get members of the IRA released early, immunity from prosecution for crimes already committed etc.

The UK releases one Libyan and all hell breaks loose.

Last edited by Dilbert_X (2009-09-01 03:27:05)