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2009-08-27 06:09:42
Varegg
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lowing wrote:

Varegg wrote:

Bullshit lowing

I have never claimed that Islam doesn't have it violent sides but you make it seem that Christianity never have been and that is so far from the truth as you can get ...

Every religion with a very few exceptions have or have had a history of violence in the name of their God.

And comparing Christianity against Islam I would dare to state Islam comes in second when it comes to being a violent religion throughout history.

The flaws in your arguments and why people takes your posts less seriously is because you make a statement without proper backing and leaves the burden of evidence to prove you are wrong on those that doesn't agree with you, that shows you have no deep knowledge of what you speak of ...

lowing wrote:

Problem is, when I ask to compare:

Jesus' actions with Muhammeds' actions, you mention Moses
No I didn't ... you singled out Jesus and Mohammed as they were the only two characters in each of their "books"

lowing wrote:

Problem is, when I ask to compare:

Jesus' teachings with Muhammeds' teachings you mention the OT ( the part of the bible that is 1600 years older) current events, you mention the crusades.
No I didn't ... but where do you draw the line of what is too old to enter the debate, you pick what supports your theories and leave out the parts that doesn't. We are debating religion not a few chapters in two books.

lowing wrote:

You also want to argue that the stories of violence within the bible are the same as the TEACHINGS of violence within the Koran.
No I didn't ... I said I reckoned the stories you claimed to be the truth properly only was analogies for personal guidance, and you seem to think the Quran is a blood dripping book of glorified violence when you infact haven't read the book at all thus only relies on questionable sources that claims what you like to believe ... and before you ramble further about just that, yes I have read it.
I never said violence was not committed in the name of Christianity. I said CHRIST did not TEACH violence. Muhammed did. There for if you go against both teachings, you go against the relgions.


Fair question, how about this, when we are talking about violence in the name of God in todays world, 1100 year old battles automatically become illrelevent. I pick what supports the facts of the day. Islam is intolerant and violent I offer Sharia Law as proof. This is not cherry picking. In return if I am wrong, I ask to be shown that Sharia Law IS NOT violent or intolerant. NO ONE has stepped up to the plate and done so. I just keeps getting side stepped. So again I ask, if Sharia Law is NOT intolerant and violent prove it to me. If Muhammed was not a murderer, prove it to me, because I can show all day long he seems to have been.


and I agreed, those stories are just that stories. There is no denying Muhammads behavior. Note the difference
There is your problem lowing, you are so clouded by hate that you can't even recognize that this thread is about religion in general and not just of today.

And ... what chapter again in the Quran describes Sharia Law?
And ... did you know Thomas Jefferson owned a copy of the Quran?
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2009-08-27 06:33:53
lowing
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Beduin wrote:

Beduin wrote:

lowing wrote:

because I can show all day long he seems to have been.
Do it.
ehhhh do it yourself, I have before, it is well known, especially if you live an Islamic life. I have no desire to show you what you already know to be true.
2009-08-27 10:19:39
Beduin
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United States Supreme Court Building
Courtroom friezes - The South Wall Frieze includes figures of lawgivers from the time before Jesus and includes Menes, Hammurabi, Moses, Solomon, Lycurgus, Solon, Draco, Confucius, and Augustus. The North Wall Frieze shows lawgivers from the time after Jesus and includes representations of Justinian, Muhammad, Charlemagne, John of England, Louis IX of France, Hugo Grotius, Sir William Blackstone, John Marshall, and Napoleon. The figure of Muhammad has caused controversy.[[1]]
Why is the messenger of Islam on the wall of US Superme Court Building?
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2009-08-27 10:23:30
Beduin
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lowing wrote:

Beduin wrote:

lowing wrote:

because I can show all day long he seems to have been.
Do it.
ehhhh do it yourself, I have before, it is well known, especially if you live an Islamic life. I have no desire to show you what you already know to be true.
lol...EPIC
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2009-08-27 10:27:25
lowing
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Beduin wrote:

lowing wrote:

Beduin wrote:


Do it.
ehhhh do it yourself, I have before, it is well known, especially if you live an Islamic life. I have no desire to show you what you already know to be true.
lol...EPIC
what is "epic" is your blatant denial of the painfully obvious. You really need to be shown the violence your murdering prophet comitted because apparently you do not believe it. That is what is "LOL"

I am not going to waste time complying with your request only to have you pull the usual bullshit of screaming biased sources.
2009-08-27 11:50:39
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lowing wrote:

what is "epic" is your .... You really need to ...

I am not going to waste time...
ök
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2009-08-27 17:30:10
lowing
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Beduin wrote:

lowing wrote:

what is "epic" is your .... You really need to ...

I am not going to waste time...
ök
Yeah well, just get back with me after you accept what Muhammed did in his life and how many people he killed, then maybe when you are beyond that denial we can talk more.
2009-08-27 17:41:32
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lowing do you acknowledge that the story of the bible has been whitewashed countless times, especially during the transcription from Greek to Latin and by King James?  Have you read any ancient texts, old stories, pre-English translations?  Have you studied comparative religion and/or comparative mythology in any way?  Texts that have been removed from the 'official bible'?  Have you read any of the Quran (and that doesn't mean links from islamwatch.com about specific verses)?  Unless you have I really don't count you as any type of authority on this subject.  You can spout off your opinions all you want, but in the end you don't really know much about what you speak of.  Or maybe I am mistaken and you have done your scholarly research.  If that is the case, well then you need to work on your arguments.
2009-08-27 19:39:38
lowing
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Varegg wrote:

lowing wrote:

Varegg wrote:

Bullshit lowing

I have never claimed that Islam doesn't have it violent sides but you make it seem that Christianity never have been and that is so far from the truth as you can get ...

Every religion with a very few exceptions have or have had a history of violence in the name of their God.

And comparing Christianity against Islam I would dare to state Islam comes in second when it comes to being a violent religion throughout history.

The flaws in your arguments and why people takes your posts less seriously is because you make a statement without proper backing and leaves the burden of evidence to prove you are wrong on those that doesn't agree with you, that shows you have no deep knowledge of what you speak of ...

lowing wrote:

Problem is, when I ask to compare:

Jesus' actions with Muhammeds' actions, you mention Moses
No I didn't ... you singled out Jesus and Mohammed as they were the only two characters in each of their "books"

lowing wrote:

Problem is, when I ask to compare:

Jesus' teachings with Muhammeds' teachings you mention the OT ( the part of the bible that is 1600 years older) current events, you mention the crusades.
No I didn't ... but where do you draw the line of what is too old to enter the debate, you pick what supports your theories and leave out the parts that doesn't. We are debating religion not a few chapters in two books.


No I didn't ... I said I reckoned the stories you claimed to be the truth properly only was analogies for personal guidance, and you seem to think the Quran is a blood dripping book of glorified violence when you infact haven't read the book at all thus only relies on questionable sources that claims what you like to believe ... and before you ramble further about just that, yes I have read it.
I never said violence was not committed in the name of Christianity. I said CHRIST did not TEACH violence. Muhammed did. There for if you go against both teachings, you go against the relgions.


Fair question, how about this, when we are talking about violence in the name of God in todays world, 1100 year old battles automatically become illrelevent. I pick what supports the facts of the day. Islam is intolerant and violent I offer Sharia Law as proof. This is not cherry picking. In return if I am wrong, I ask to be shown that Sharia Law IS NOT violent or intolerant. NO ONE has stepped up to the plate and done so. I just keeps getting side stepped. So again I ask, if Sharia Law is NOT intolerant and violent prove it to me. If Muhammed was not a murderer, prove it to me, because I can show all day long he seems to have been.


and I agreed, those stories are just that stories. There is no denying Muhammads behavior. Note the difference
There is your problem lowing, you are so clouded by hate that you can't even recognize that this thread is about religion in general and not just of today.

And ... what chapter again in the Quran describes Sharia Law?
And ... did you know Thomas Jefferson owned a copy of the Quran?
I kmow what this thread is about, and how you think you can speak of violence in religions and expect Islam NOT to be singled out as the grand master of violent religions in todays world, is baffling.

I am not clouded by hate. I hate because of what is crystal clear. Islam is a violent, intolerant religion, TODAY.

More side stepping. Who gives a fuck Sharia got its orgins, from what I gather it dates back to the birth of Islam itself. regardless its still irrelevent. Sharia IS Islamic law. It is part of the relgion and culture and it is intoelrant and down right fuckin stone age...If I am wrong, please show me how ( I ask again).
2009-08-27 19:43:19
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KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

lowing do you acknowledge that the story of the bible has been whitewashed countless times, especially during the transcription from Greek to Latin and by King James?  Have you read any ancient texts, old stories, pre-English translations?  Have you studied comparative religion and/or comparative mythology in any way?  Texts that have been removed from the 'official bible'?  Have you read any of the Quran (and that doesn't mean links from islamwatch.com about specific verses)?  Unless you have I really don't count you as any type of authority on this subject.  You can spout off your opinions all you want, but in the end you don't really know much about what you speak of.  Or maybe I am mistaken and you have done your scholarly research.  If that is the case, well then you need to work on your arguments.
Nope I am not an expert on Islam, or the bible. If you are then please enlighten me and show me where I am wrong about Islam and Sharia Law. Nobody else seems to want to touch it.

If Islamwatch is wrong about the violence in Islam, please feel free to enlighten them as well. remember debunk the material if you can, for it is what matters far more than the source.
2009-08-27 23:19:31
Varegg
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lowing wrote:

Nope I am not an expert on Islam, or the bible.
You could have fooled me

Try wikipedia or just google Sharia Law and read a little about it and not just the cutouts you get served on Islamwatch or whatever page you use ...
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2009-08-27 23:55:25
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There's no point in this. If we're going to ignore all the available evidence except that which suits one argument there's no real debate.
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2009-08-28 00:21:40
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lowing wrote:

Yeah well, just get back with me after you accept what Muhammed did in his life
lowing, are you serious? For me it sounds like desperate remark...

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2009-08-28 00:33:26
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lowing wrote:

Yeah well, just get back with me after you accept what Muhammed did in his life
No-ones denying it, you're the one with the denial problem.
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2009-08-28 00:43:44
Beduin
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Muhammad:Legacy Of the Prophet...watch it lowing. Or you don't watch either?
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2009-08-28 04:52:30
lowing
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Beduin wrote:

Muhammad:Legacy Of the Prophet...watch it lowing. Or you don't watch either?
Not a problem, where can I get it?

Give me the cliffs notes, I assume it paints him as a peace loving tolerant man?
2009-08-28 04:55:25
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lowing wrote:

Beduin wrote:

Muhammad:Legacy Of the Prophet...watch it lowing. Or you don't watch either?
Not a problem, where can I get it?

Give me the cliffs notes, I assume it paints him as a peace loving tolerant man?
It's a PBS show by the look of it. Not sure what you could do about watching it then.

http://www.pbs.org/muhammad/

EDIT: This *may* be it. I'm not sure, can someone who's seem it confirm?

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2009-08-28 04:57:45
lowing
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Dilbert_X wrote:

There's no point in this. If we're going to ignore all the available evidence except that which suits one argument there's no real debate.
I accept all available evidence and the evidence shows violence in the name of Islam is in line with the teachings of Islam via Muhammed.

Violence in the name of Jesus, goes against the teachings of Jesus.

I have not denied violence in the name of Christ throughout history. The point is, it goes AGAINST the teachings of the man.

this makes MAN violent within Christianity and not the religion itself. The violence in the bible, speaks of things that has happened, NOT what you should do to your fellow man. As far as Islam goes, if the teachings are violent then the religion is violent, and the teachings are vilolent and intolerant.
2009-08-28 05:01:40
lowing
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Beduin wrote:

lowing wrote:

Yeah well, just get back with me after you accept what Muhammed did in his life
lowing, are you serious? For me it sounds like desperate remark...
Not really, I am quite comfortable about my opinion of Islam. I get re-enforced damn near every day with current events.

The challange is really on you to show  what I have said is wrong. the stories within current events, as well as those that write about Muhammed, as well as Sharia Law, support my opinion.
2009-08-28 05:04:14
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ghettoperson wrote:

lowing wrote:

Beduin wrote:

Muhammad:Legacy Of the Prophet...watch it lowing. Or you don't watch either?
Not a problem, where can I get it?

Give me the cliffs notes, I assume it paints him as a peace loving tolerant man?
It's a PBS show by the look of it. Not sure what you could do about watching it then.

http://www.pbs.org/muhammad/

EDIT: This *may* be it. I'm not sure, can someone who's seem it confirm?
Will someone tell Beduin that even the PBS link paints Muhammed as a warrior in its discription of Muhammed. Now, if someone can link me toa show about the warrior Jesus.............
2009-08-28 05:26:34
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lowing wrote:

Will someone tell Beduin
I can read.
I gave the movie a 10.
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2009-08-28 06:17:42
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Beduin wrote:

lowing wrote:

Will someone tell Beduin
I can read.
I gave the movie a 10.
Well ok, so if you do not deny who Muhammed was and his actions on this earth, and you can not show me where Jesus was a warrior.

How can you deny Muhammeds actions and teachings were that of violence and intolernace? and since Islam is based on the actions and teachings of Muhammed how then can you deny Islam is a violent and intolerant relgion?

Lastly how can you deny the comparisons of the 2 men that the 2 largests religions are based around?
2009-08-28 06:46:27
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lowing wrote:

How can you deny Muhammeds actions and teachings were that of violence and intolernace?
Well, you can start by presenting those actions. I wrote that before.

lowing wrote:

Lastly how can you deny the comparisons of the 2 men that the 2 largests religions are based around?
The circumstances and the environment that surrounded Islam and muslims, forced Muhammed to be more than a spirituel prophet like Jesus (may peace be upon them all).

As said before, I believe in all Prophets. Jesus (may peace be upon him) is mentioned many times in the Quran. We muslims do not belive that Jesus (may peace be upon him) is dead and we also belive that He will return and lead the belivers include the muslims.
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2009-08-28 07:32:56
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Beduin wrote:

lowing wrote:

How can you deny Muhammeds actions and teachings were that of violence and intolernace?
Well, you can start by presenting those actions. I wrote that before.

lowing wrote:

Lastly how can you deny the comparisons of the 2 men that the 2 largests religions are based around?
The circumstances and the environment that surrounded Islam and muslims, forced Muhammed to be more than a spirituel prophet like Jesus (may peace be upon them all).

As said before, I believe in all Prophets. Jesus (may peace be upon him) is mentioned many times in the Quran. We muslims do not belive that Jesus (may peace be upon him) is dead and we also belive that He will return and lead the belivers include the muslims.
I guess the PBS presentation calling him a warrior is not good enough? You really need me to hand hold you through the internet to find out what is written about Muhammed?


Seems to me the "circumstances and environment" 600 years before Muhammed was no different then that Jesus had to face, yet Jesus still did not kill or conquer.

So where does jihad, martyrdom, and 70 virgins for blowing up women and children fit into Jesus' plan?

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2009-08-28 09:13:06
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Beduin wrote:

lowing wrote:

How can you deny Muhammeds actions and teachings were that of violence and intolernace?
Well, you can start by presenting those actions. I wrote that before.
...Do you not even know the basic history of your prophet?

I mean, if you don't even know about the battles and wars that Muhammad was involved in, that's pretty weak on behalf of yourself. The least you can do is learn the life of the guy (Muhammad), surely.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:B … f_Muhammad

Hey Bediun, what Arab tribe do you belong to? Did they convert willingly or were they converted after they got their asses kicked by Muhammad

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