Ok, so they get the bomber. Is the bomber enough to stop the fires?
seems to me that whatever they are using now is working real well
and the answer someone about it only seems to be rich peoples homes so why should we care. there is no news value in showing mobile trailers burning when you have 7 figure homes lighting up the sky.
and the answer someone about it only seems to be rich peoples homes so why should we care. there is no news value in showing mobile trailers burning when you have 7 figure homes lighting up the sky.
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The US economy is a giant Ponzi scheme. And 'to big to fail' is code speak for 'niahnahniahniahnah 99 percenters'
No, I wouldn't say the value of the house is the issue.
Seems like there's too many people in CA, so some have to live in areas that go boom.
Is buying this bomber enough to stop the fires? How many bombers do we need?
Seems like there's too many people in CA, so some have to live in areas that go boom.
Is buying this bomber enough to stop the fires? How many bombers do we need?
http://www.pe.com/localnews/sbcounty/st … d4e7a.html
It also looks like the evergreen is operational. They just haven't been purchased yet.
747 Supertanker cleared to fight wildfires
160 MPH is too fast? 200 feet is too high? The water bomber fly's at 300 feet and 175 mph in drop mode.Shortly after noon Wednesday, the jet approached at 200 feet, traveling about 160 mph, and unleashed its payload over the hot runway of the former George Air Force Base.
It doesn't seem like the concrete runway is a problem.The jet's speed and range means it can reach anywhere in California for a single drop and fight extended blazes from Victorville. Padilla, the Cal Fire aviation chief, said the department is working on setting up a base at the former Mather Air Force Base in Sacramento.
It also looks like the evergreen is operational. They just haven't been purchased yet.
Evergreen Supertanker Ready to Fight WildfiresThe latest information from the Evergreen Aviation website suggested that the aircraft is operational. However, it has not yet been acquired by the US Forest Service.
McMinnville, Ore. - Evergreen International Aviation's B747 Supertanker won certification for operation this season after receiving its interim approval letter from the Interagency Air Tanker Board. The aircraft also received its Supplemental Type Certificate from the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) in November 2008. It is now available to assist world firefighting agencies during the 2009 season and beyond. The award is unique because the Supertanker has an 8:1 drop ratio compared to that of all other current firefighting aircraft, meaning the Supertanker will forever change the way wildland fires are fought.
First Operational Use of Evergreen Int’l B747 Supertanker on a WildfireThe multi-role B747 Supertanker is the largest tanker aircraft available today. With a payload of more than 20,000 gallons and a response time of 600 mph, it has more than eight times the drop capability and twice the speed of any other federal air tanker currently fighting fires. The Supertanker's patented pressurized system has the capability to disperse product at high pressure for an overwhelming response, or disperse at the speed of falling rain in a single or several segmented drops. This pressurized system will also allow for drops at higher altitudes, creating a significant safety buffer and enabling the Supertanker to fight fires during the day and at night, when they are most vulnerable. It also offers a significant value for American taxpayers; saving homes, natural resources, and most importantly, lives. When employed properly, the Supertanker has the capability to save the U.S. government billions of dollars in fire suppression, natural resource losses, tourism, and rehabilitation costs every year.
747 Supertanker cleared to fight wildfires
MCMINNVILLE, Ore. (AP) — A giant aircraft tanker developed by Oregon-based Evergreen International Aviation to carry 20,000 gallons of water has been cleared to fight wildfires.
The federal government granted the Boeing 747 Supertanker approval to fly during the upcoming wildland firefighting season.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
same old story. iran offered to donate a few gazillion barrells of oil to you guys after the Katrina aftermath....response: fuck off.
(could be spyOIL who knows)
lol
(could be spyOIL who knows)
lol
Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.
It was 20 million gallons and it was only if the sanctions on them were lifted.m3thod wrote:
same old story. iran offered to donate a few gazillion barrells of oil to you guys after the Katrina aftermath....response: fuck off.
(could be spyOIL who knows)
lol
Xbone Stormsurgezz
lift sanction, accept oil. re-apply sanctions.Kmarion wrote:
It was 20 million gallons and it was only if the sanctions on them were lifted.m3thod wrote:
same old story. iran offered to donate a few gazillion barrells of oil to you guys after the Katrina aftermath....response: fuck off.
(could be spyOIL who knows)
lol
easy.
Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.
Easy.. good one. Seems a bit naive to me. I can only imagine how bad the eurowhining whining would be.. "Those bastard Americans would lift it to take their oil". As if we don't have enough of a problem with the self serving image. Maybe we (the UN) would lift them if they were offering Cheetoh's and plasma TV's?
Xbone Stormsurgezz
like you lot give a shit what the euro's have to say?!
Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.
You have a point. But we can make do without Iranian oil. We have our buds the Saudi's.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
Yeah buds.Kmarion wrote:
You have a point. But we can make do without Iranian oil. We have our buds the Saudi's.
Most 9/11 hijackers were Sauds.
Osama is a Saud.
You 'buds' are fucking your wives up the ass while selling you shit you should be weaning yourselves off of
oops I went on a tangent.
The US economy is a giant Ponzi scheme. And 'to big to fail' is code speak for 'niahnahniahniahnah 99 percenters'
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You're such a fucking communist.Red Forman wrote:
forest fires are good for the forest. boo hoo for the rich people and their million dollar homes.
Those rich people WORKed their asses off and commies like him shit on their hard WORK and take a morbid enjoyment in seeing their lives go up in smoke. You make me sick.ghettoperson wrote:
You're such a fucking communist.Red Forman wrote:
forest fires are good for the forest. boo hoo for the rich people and their million dollar homes.
Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.
protip: dont build homes up in the moutains in fire prone areas.m3thod wrote:
Those rich people WORKed their asses off and commies like him shit on their hard WORK and take a morbid enjoyment in seeing their lives go up in smoke. You make me sick.ghettoperson wrote:
You're such a fucking communist.Red Forman wrote:
forest fires are good for the forest. boo hoo for the rich people and their million dollar homes.
protip. I build where ever i fucking want.
Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.
protip: dont expect my tax money to help your stubborn arse then. buy your own friggin plane.m3thod wrote:
protip. I build where ever i fucking want.
Do you have any idea how much one load of Retardent Costs?
Not to mention Aircraft can't always fly, And a load of retardent doesn't do jack and shit when a fire is roaring in double or triple canopy.
Boots on the ground cutting fire lines puts out forrest fires.. Not aircraft dropping water and retardent.
Not to mention Aircraft can't always fly, And a load of retardent doesn't do jack and shit when a fire is roaring in double or triple canopy.
Boots on the ground cutting fire lines puts out forrest fires.. Not aircraft dropping water and retardent.
shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.......S3v3N wrote:
Do you have any idea how much one load of Retardent Costs?
Not to mention Aircraft can't always fly, And a load of retardent doesn't do jack and shit when a fire is roaring in double or triple canopy.
Boots on the ground cutting fire lines puts out forrest fires.. Not aircraft dropping water and retardent.
ZOMG WE NEED A BIG AIRPLANE YOU STUPID AMERIKANS
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protip: I don't. I'm rich and i've paid 100x tax compared to your meagre, platry, shit picker salary. So you get bent and GET THAT MOTHERFUCKING PLANE YOU BASTARDS.Red Forman wrote:
protip: dont expect my tax money to help your stubborn arse then. buy your own friggin plane.m3thod wrote:
protip. I build where ever i fucking want.
Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.
the experts said they dont want that plane. they have other planes. and lol they pay taxes. most evade them. where have you been?m3thod wrote:
protip: I don't. I'm rich and i've paid 100x tax compared to your meagre, platry, shit picker salary. So you get bent and GET THAT MOTHERFUCKING PLANE YOU BASTARDS.Red Forman wrote:
protip: dont expect my tax money to help your stubborn arse then. buy your own friggin plane.m3thod wrote:
protip. I build where ever i fucking want.
No shit right..Red Forman wrote:
shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.......S3v3N wrote:
Do you have any idea how much one load of Retardent Costs?
Not to mention Aircraft can't always fly, And a load of retardent doesn't do jack and shit when a fire is roaring in double or triple canopy.
Boots on the ground cutting fire lines puts out forrest fires.. Not aircraft dropping water and retardent.
ZOMG WE NEED A BIG AIRPLANE YOU STUPID AMERIKANS
Ages ago i saw it on TV a plane would fly over a lake and skim the surface and pick up a whole belly full. and then go let rip over the fire. Rinse and repeat.S3v3N wrote:
Do you have any idea how much one load of Retardent Costs?
Not to mention Aircraft can't always fly, And a load of retardent doesn't do jack and shit when a fire is roaring in double or triple canopy.
Boots on the ground cutting fire lines puts out forrest fires.. Not aircraft dropping water and retardent.
Seemed effective.
here it the same thing.
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Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.
oh by the way, my department is recruiting for a helicopter pilot...
If anybody here is qualified to fly a Uh-60 variant.
If anybody here is qualified to fly a Uh-60 variant.
Its not, You need a big ass lake. Helicopters with dip buckets work better.m3thod wrote:
Ages ago i saw it on TV a plane would fly over a lake and skim the surface and pick up a whole belly full. and then go let rip over the fire. Rinse and repeat.S3v3N wrote:
Do you have any idea how much one load of Retardent Costs?
Not to mention Aircraft can't always fly, And a load of retardent doesn't do jack and shit when a fire is roaring in double or triple canopy.
Boots on the ground cutting fire lines puts out forrest fires.. Not aircraft dropping water and retardent.
Seemed effective.