What am i looking forward to?

2006-04-07 03:00:29

#1

Andrew: Member; +2|6720|Birsbane, Australia

Hi, i currently run BF2 with "everything" on low(including software sound) it takes me about 3+ minutes to load a map and i get a FPS of around 20-40 .

But next wednesday i finally get to go out and buy a new PC

Just to make me feel better and have more fun enjoying my time playing with my current setup what do you think my load times and FPS would be? if i ran it with everything on its highest possible including Xfi on ultra. (and would i get lag at the start?)

Also i was reading somewere that because its a dual core CPU, i need to get patch off AMD so BF2 only uses one core because it does not support 2, is the correct? And will that slow my gaming down by much?

Asus A8N-E Nvidia Nforce 4 Ultra Socket 939 Pin Motherboard
AMD Athlon 64 Athlon64 X2 Dual Core 4400+ Socket 939 Pin CPU
Forsa 255MB 7900GT
If they sell it TWINX2048-3200C2(would the price be worth it?) or the 2 of Corsair 1GB 1024MB DDR400 Value Select RAM PC3200
Will ask them for a if not then the 8m cache: 250Gb Western Digital Hard Drive with 16mb cache (2500KS)
Antec P160 or Antec P180
Antec 500Watt ATX NeoHe PSU Power Supply
Creative X-FI Xtreme MusicLeadtek
DTV2000 Digital TV Tuner Card

This all came to about $2500 Australian with the logitech G15 and G7

Last edited by Andrew (2006-04-07 03:01:48)

2006-04-07 03:24:03

#2

Cybargs: Moderated; +2,285|6742

if u get the xfi xtreme music then u can set it on ultra high (sound) with out any lag so get an xfi

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2006-04-07 03:34:04

#3

Andrew: Member; +2|6720|Birsbane, Australia

Yeah i want that X-fi badly, so maybe the full song of the loading music i listen to would sound better(thats if the computer has not loaded before the music starts)

2006-04-07 09:59:29

#4

.ACB|_Cutthroat1: No place like 127.0.0.1; +76|6722|Gold Coast,QLD,Australia

go the value ram to save money and get the p180 for sexyness, with the money from the ram get a leadtek or xfx 7900gt

2006-04-07 10:32:43

#5

notorious: Nay vee, bay bee.; +1,396|6773|The United Center

that is a fucking sexy computer.

2006-04-07 10:52:55

#6

unnamednewbie13: Moderator; +2,053|6798|PNW

If you can get CAS2 2x1GB memory modules, go for it. They cost around $200. Or save $80 and get the Valuram. You might notice an occasional stream of choppiness with higher latency memory though. It won't be very apparent on benchmarks, but if you've been working with computers for a long time, you'll notice.

2006-04-07 14:39:50

#7

Andrew: Member; +2|6720|Birsbane, Australia

Thanks guys i'll save the money on the ram and get the P180
Since this shop only sells the forsa 7900GT i'll just get it because its so cheap, and in about a years time i can hand my graphics card down. And get another nice new card.

Unnamednewbie13 Here is the list of ram they sell which do you think i should get? because i don't like the choppiness idea.

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2006-04-07 15:33:25

#8

unnamednewbie13: Moderator; +2,053|6798|PNW

Since you're going with high-mid components, here's a list of worthy memory from Newegg.com (constraining the list to three manufacturers for simplicity):

Kingston ValueRAM 2GB (KVR400X64C3AK2/2G) (2x1GB) - CAS3 - 2.6V - $150
OCZ Value Series 2GB (OCZ4002048V3DC-K) (2x1GB) - CAS3-4-4-8 - 2.6V - $150
Corsair TwinX2048-3200/TwinX2048-3200pt (2x1GB) - CAS3-3-3-8 - 2.6V - $160
OCZ Performance 2GB (OCZ4002048PFDC-K) (2x1GB) - CAS3-3-3-8 - 2.6V - $170
Corsair Twinx2048-3200c2/Twinx2048-3200c2pt (2x1GB) - CAS2-3-3-6 - 2.75V - $191
Kingston HyperX (KHX3200AK2/2G) (2x1GB)- CAS2-3-2-6 - 2.6V - $200
OCZ Mirrored Platinum (OCZP4002GK) (2x1GB) - CAS2-3-2-5 - 2.7V - $200
Corsair Twinx2048-3500LLPro (2x1GB) - CAS2-3-2-6 - 2.75V - $286

If I were to put two gigs in a computer right now, I would tend to veer towards the OCZ Mirrored Platinum, and relax the timings to 2-3-2-6 if given any error. The lower the timings you can get (CAS2 is quicker than CAS3), the better. The lower the voltage requirements, the less chance of overheating (though 0.1V variance doesn't offer a very wide margin).

But, bottom line, you want no less than a single 2x1GB pair.

Last edited by unnamednewbie13 (2006-04-07 15:35:47)

2006-04-07 15:55:11

#9

Andrew: Member; +2|6720|Birsbane, Australia

Thanks for that the thing is i am in Australia and the only shop i can use is the one above with the my ram cost picture. Also i am not planning to over clock at all i just want it to perform well.

Which one of these do you think would perform the best since the price difference is very little.

Two of 1G DDR400 (Hyundai)
Two of 1G DDR400 (Samsung)
Two of 1G DDR400 (Kingston)
Two of 1G Corsair DDR400
Two of 1G(2x512) Corsair Value
Or
Two of 1G(2x512)OCZ Value or Premier

Or i could get 1G(2x512) of OCZ Performance its expensive would it outperform 2 gig of cheaper ram?
Sadly this is the only choice I have to choose from

Last edited by Andrew (2006-04-07 16:00:12)

2006-04-07 15:58:18

#10

Andrew: Member; +2|6720|Birsbane, Australia

Do you think the Four OCZ Premier 512 sticks would be better than the 2X1G Corsair DDR400?

2006-04-07 16:11:31

#11

sixshot: Decepticon Geek; +50|6701|Planet Seibertron ;)

Agh, misread. Get 2x1GB... simpler that way.

Last edited by sixshot (2006-04-07 16:12:48)

2006-04-07 16:14:18

#12

Andrew: Member; +2|6720|Birsbane, Australia

Ok Thanks for that i am getting the 2gig then but my final question is

Do you think the Four OCZ Premier 512 sticks would be perform better than the 2X1G Corsair/Kingston/Samsung/Hyundai DDR400?

Last edited by Andrew (2006-04-07 16:16:19)

2006-04-07 20:59:09

#13

.ACB|_Cutthroat1: No place like 127.0.0.1; +76|6722|Gold Coast,QLD,Australia

maybe, but just stick with the 2x1gb sticks matey

2006-04-15 00:53:18

#14

Hacial: 404 - Not Found; +107|6645

If this isn't too late...

My suggestion:

Processor: AMD athlon 64 X2 3800+ (dual-core) ~ 315 €
Motherboard: Abit KN8 ~ 80 €
Case: Antec p150 ~ 160 €
RAM: 2 X 1 GB (No kingston!) ~ 170 €
Harddrive: Western Digital Caviar 160 GB ~ 70 €
LG DVD-ROM ~ 20 €
Graphic card: Asus GeForce 7900 ~ 310 €
Monitor: BenQ FP91G+ 19" ~ 300 €

The prices are from my country so I don't know how much it cost in your country... Anyway in my country this is very good PC if we look at it's price & performance, and it has enough of power to play games and it can be easily upgraded.

2006-04-15 15:59:17

#15

Andrew: Member; +2|6720|Birsbane, Australia

Thanks for that i am going to order it on Tuesday, i may switch some things around.

2006-04-15 17:02:46

#16

Towelly: It's A State Of Mind; +399|6617|Your attic

Ok one thing, is this computer going to be almost all gaming, becuase if it is don't go with the dual core processor, the 4000+ Clawhammer (the current core if I'm correct) is faster for gaming, but if however you intend to do any video editing, or any other quite heavy processing task yea stay with the x2. They are great processors btw I've got the 4200+ and it runs verrry nicely, they run very cool so the core temps are always peachy, but as I said for pure gaming, single core currently wins (in that price bracket)

Other then that I would say stick with the 2x 1GB sticks, mainly so you can upgrade later, without having to change all your RAM.

Last edited by Towelly (2006-04-15 17:03:19)

2006-04-15 17:12:20

#17

WarmPudgy: Member; +41|6614|Arkansas

i got to see bf2 load up on a pair of wd raptors in raid0
that was damn sexy, load and verify was like 10 seconds

if you have the cash to spend, they are well worth it

2006-04-15 20:20:39

#18

Cybargs: Moderated; +2,285|6742

dont get the asus board, get the MSI k8 diamond sli, the best board ive seen out there. dont get forsa, get something good and cheap like sparkle or gigabyte

2006-04-15 20:28:12

#19

Andrew: Member; +2|6720|Birsbane, Australia

Yes, this PC is for gaming, but if your a 14yo kid like me who likes to have nearly everything running at once then the X24400 will do me good. And i also think i am better off going dual core because it will last longer and like Vista better.

I changed the Brand to MSI its only $4 extra

2006-04-15 20:29:41

#20

Andrew: Member; +2|6720|Birsbane, Australia

Cyborg, i don't really want a SLI motherboard, its a waste and personally i would rather just update 1 graphics card in about a year when mine starts to lag behind.

2006-04-15 20:34:29

#21

Andrew: Member; +2|6720|Birsbane, Australia

So i can get the
http://www.giga-byte.de/MotherBoard/Pro … 8NF-9.htm#
or the
http://www.asus.com/products4.aspx?l1=3 … odelmenu=1

The asus motherboard looks better to me, so guys which do you like better?

2006-04-15 21:18:40

#22

Cybargs: Moderated; +2,285|6742

Andrew wrote:
So i can get the
http://www.giga-byte.de/MotherBoard/Pro … 8NF-9.htm#
or the
http://www.asus.com/products4.aspx?l1=3 … odelmenu=1

The asus motherboard looks better to me, so guys which do you like better?

the asus of course, but the sli version has higher overclocking options

2006-04-15 21:23:27

#23

mooncricket: Knife Whore; +10|6763|Alabama

Andrew wrote:
Asus A8N-E Nvidia Nforce 4 Ultra Socket 939 Pin Motherboard
AMD Athlon 64 Athlon64 X2 Dual Core 4400+ Socket 939 Pin CPU
Forsa 255MB 7900GT
If they sell it TWINX2048-3200C2(would the price be worth it?) or the 2 of Corsair 1GB 1024MB DDR400 Value Select RAM PC3200
Will ask them for a if not then the 8m cache: 250Gb Western Digital Hard Drive with 16mb cache (2500KS)
Antec P160 or Antec P180
Antec 500Watt ATX NeoHe PSU Power Supply
Creative X-FI Xtreme MusicLeadtek
DTV2000 Digital TV Tuner Card

I would go with the Antec P180, I have it and I love it. Also, I have an ATI x1900 XTX. I can turn all of my graphic settings to "Ultra High," but the longer load times aren't worth it. I would recommend just sticking with "High" Also, you will love the x2 4400, it is great.

Last edited by mooncricket (2006-04-15 21:24:25)

2006-04-16 10:55:18

#24

Hacial: 404 - Not Found; +107|6645

mooncricket wrote:
Andrew wrote:
Asus A8N-E Nvidia Nforce 4 Ultra Socket 939 Pin Motherboard
AMD Athlon 64 Athlon64 X2 Dual Core 4400+ Socket 939 Pin CPU
Forsa 255MB 7900GT
If they sell it TWINX2048-3200C2(would the price be worth it?) or the 2 of Corsair 1GB 1024MB DDR400 Value Select RAM PC3200
Will ask them for a if not then the 8m cache: 250Gb Western Digital Hard Drive with 16mb cache (2500KS)
Antec P160 or Antec P180
Antec 500Watt ATX NeoHe PSU Power Supply
Creative X-FI Xtreme MusicLeadtek
DTV2000 Digital TV Tuner Card
I would go with the Antec P180, I have it and I love it. Also, I have an ATI x1900 XTX. I can turn all of my graphic settings to "Ultra High," but the longer load times aren't worth it. I would recommend just sticking with "High" Also, you will love the x2 4400, it is great.

Don't get x2 4400. It maybe better but you can overclock x2 3800+. And when your 3800+ gets old it doesn't help you at all if you have bought 4400 instead of 3800 because the time 3800 gets old so does the 4400. And GeForce is better than ATI in games and in price & performance. And AMD beats Intel any way it wants in games. And p150 is better than p180 because if you buy p180 you have to buy powersupply but p150 comes with powersupply.

2006-04-16 12:20:20

#25

unnamednewbie13: Moderator; +2,053|6798|PNW

Andrew wrote:
Do you think the Four OCZ Premier 512 sticks would be perform better than the 2X1G Corsair/Kingston/Samsung/Hyundai DDR400?

Already been answered, but four 512MB sticks will force your timing to run at 2T, while two 1GB sticks will let you run at the tighter (and better) 1T.

Hacial wrote:
Don't get x2 4400. It maybe better but you can overclock x2 3800+. And when your 3800+ gets old it doesn't help you at all if you have bought 4400 instead of 3800 because the time 3800 gets old so does the 4400. And GeForce is better than ATI in games and in price & performance. And AMD beats Intel any way it wants in games. And p150 is better than p180 because if you buy p180 you have to buy powersupply but p150 comes with powersupply.

The X2 3800+ only has 2x512KB cache, and is $295 US. The X2 4400+ is $150 more, but has 2x1MB cache, and will have a longer performance life than a 3800+. Good investment in my mind. The X2 4800+ is the same thing as the X2 4400+, only with 200 more MHz. Not so good of an investment. If you're a rich kid, the FX-60 can overclock to 3.6GHz.

ATI seems to have more problems in some games than NVIDIA, but its image quality is spectacular. But both ATI and NVIDIA offer excellent cards. It's really a matter of preference, price and availability. If you want two video cards though, SLI is more reliable than Crossfire.

Last edited by unnamednewbie13 (2006-04-16 12:27:15)

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