do they even allow knivesPierre wrote:
You should try that in my town...
Yes, and even guns are allowed, with permit ofcourse.SEREMAKER wrote:
do they even allow knivesPierre wrote:
You should try that in my town...
But don't carry a concealed weapon unless you have a CWP AND have a valid reason to carry it at that moment, or it will be taken away permanently and you'be fined or even sentenced.
You better don't take a gun to a political rally, even to make a point, whatever that point might be.
I concede to YOUR brilliant post.destruktion_6143 wrote:
thats a dumb argument you are trying to make. And you know it, hell, at least everyone else here does.nlsme1 wrote:
There where cars all over the place when Reagan was shot. What is to stop someone from getting in one and plowing through everyone in an attempt? If the boys in blue/black really had a problem with it, they would have done something. They let them make their point, while making them stay in a corner far away where they wouldn't get a clear line of sight, while keeping a close eye on them.
so ........ you can have a CWP ( and I do have CWP for the states ) and if a officer comes up to you and doesn't like the reason why you're carrying .. he could potentionally arrest youPierre wrote:
Yes, and even guns are allowed, with permit ofcourse.SEREMAKER wrote:
do they even allow knivesPierre wrote:
You should try that in my town...
But don't carry a concealed weapon unless you have a CWP AND have a valid reason to carry it at that moment, or it will be taken away permanently and you'be fined or even sentenced.
You better don't take a gun to a political rally, even to make a point, whatever that point might be.
IF someone grabbed a cops gun and did the same, or rammed a crowd with a car, or hurled shoes, or......SEREMAKER wrote:
I'm probably as pro-gun, if not more then him but theres a line between can and shouldwest-phoenix-az wrote:
That's how we roll.
Open carry is not uncommon in Arizona. Carrying a rifle at an event like this is, but his example will be followed. I'm glad they did it. They were safe and followed the law. If you are pro-gun and disagree with what these people did I think you need to reevaluate how pro-gun you really are.
Chris B, much respect!
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and theres to many " if " oppurtunitys ........ if someone grabbed his AR and racked a live round in the chamber and stated to fire
nlsme1 wrote:
IF someone grabbed a cops gun and did the same, or rammed a crowd with a car, or hurled shoes, or......SEREMAKER wrote:
I'm probably as pro-gun, if not more then him but theres a line between can and shouldwest-phoenix-az wrote:
That's how we roll.
Open carry is not uncommon in Arizona. Carrying a rifle at an event like this is, but his example will be followed. I'm glad they did it. They were safe and followed the law. If you are pro-gun and disagree with what these people did I think you need to reevaluate how pro-gun you really are.
Chris B, much respect!
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and theres to many " if " oppurtunitys ........ if someone grabbed his AR and racked a live round in the chamber and stated to fire
Nice argument. I would say someone has a better chance of an assasination on any president ramming him with a car then using an unconcealed AR.SEREMAKER wrote:
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IF someone grabbed a cops gun and did the same, or rammed a crowd with a car, or hurled shoes, or......SEREMAKER wrote:
I'm probably as pro-gun, if not more then him but theres a line between can and should
and theres to many " if " oppurtunitys ........ if someone grabbed his AR and racked a live round in the chamber and stated to fire
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yeah they'll never see a car coming out of nowherenlsme1 wrote:
Nice argument. I would say someone has a better chance of an assasination on any president ramming him with a car then using an unconcealed AR.SEREMAKER wrote:
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IF someone grabbed a cops gun and did the same, or rammed a crowd with a car, or hurled shoes, or......
Because there are never cars around the prez?
what, while he's in the open ..... everything is on locked downnlsme1 wrote:
Because there are never cars around the prez?
if you mean while he's in tank .... then goodluck with a ram job, you might dent it and thats about all
That's the deal. There"s no reason to carry a gun strong enough to kill an elephant in town, where - at least in our towns - there are no elephants.SEREMAKER wrote:
so ........ you can have a CWP ( and I do have CWP for the states ) and if a officer comes up to you and doesn't like the reason why you're carrying .. he could potentionally arrest you
Don't get me wrong, I know there is a different approach on guns in Europe and the US, and I respect yours, but one shouldn't make a point about the right to carry a gun at a political rally, at a moment where a lot of nutjobs are polarising a debate.
Whats is to stop someone from plowing into the car with a semi at 100mph? That would more then dent it. This guy posed NO threat to POTUS. If he did, he would have been dealt with.
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Police oficer are trained personel, their firearm are in a holster, it take a little more time to get em out, that mean the cop can prlly react faster than the normal citizen. also, assault rifle last ive checked use bigger caliber, fire faster, and way more far than a pistol does. Also, full AR clip = around 30 bullet, Pistol can go to what nowaday? 15 round max?west-phoenix-az wrote:
How is it any different than someone taking a police officers firearm?Roger Lesboules wrote:
The only problem with this is that if someone in the crowd have no weapon, is pissed at president...spot this AR....humm, shit can hit the fan pretty quick. Bring it as a sign you are pro-weapon and that you want to apply your right to bear it but dont load it kthx.
nlsme1 wrote:
Whats is to stop someone from plowing into the car with a semi at 100mph? That would more then dent it. This guy posed NO threat to POTUS. If he did, he would have been dealt with.
lol, that picture is going to confuse alot of people.west-phoenix-az wrote:
That's how we roll.
Open carry is not uncommon in Arizona. Carrying a rifle at an event like this is, but his example will be followed. I'm glad they did it. They were safe and followed the law. If you are pro-gun and disagree with what these people did I think you need to reevaluate how pro-gun you really are.
Chris B, much respect!
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- He's a black guy
- Wearing a shirt, tie, trousers
- Glasses
- AR-15 at a Presidential meeting (or whatever it was)
- Obama supporter (I heard, somewhere else)
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Personally, this guy's gotta be trolling all the other guys who came with their guns for ...probably different reasons.
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Hmm.SEREMAKER wrote:
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Whats is to stop someone from plowing into the car with a semi at 100mph? That would more then dent it. This guy posed NO threat to POTUS. If he did, he would have been dealt with.
Let's clarify a couple points. First, the Secret Service establishes a secure perimeter where ever the President goes. It is large enough to prevent any likely assassination attempts from outside the perimeter. Inside the perimeter, only LE and SS are allowed to possess any type of weapon. This is SOP.
The people open carrying are all OUTSIDE the perimeter, therefore they would have to aggressively breach the secure area to even get a clear shot on the President (and these protesters were acting non-aggressively anyway).
Next, personally I have no problem with OC or protesting, but the media spin from this is mostly negative. The man in Phoenix did a better presentation than the guy out east, since he was dressed like a respectable businessman (dress for success, right?). The issue here is perception is just as important as reality in this activity, and the (generally) anti-gun media has a huge ability to spin it in a negative way. The odds of this being a net gain for gun-rights activists (toward the general population) is at best a 50-50 bet.
The people open carrying are all OUTSIDE the perimeter, therefore they would have to aggressively breach the secure area to even get a clear shot on the President (and these protesters were acting non-aggressively anyway).
Next, personally I have no problem with OC or protesting, but the media spin from this is mostly negative. The man in Phoenix did a better presentation than the guy out east, since he was dressed like a respectable businessman (dress for success, right?). The issue here is perception is just as important as reality in this activity, and the (generally) anti-gun media has a huge ability to spin it in a negative way. The odds of this being a net gain for gun-rights activists (toward the general population) is at best a 50-50 bet.
5.56x45mm against an elephant?! HAHAHAHA! The elephant has pretty decent odds!Pierre wrote:
That's the deal. There"s no reason to carry a gun strong enough to kill an elephant in town, where - at least in our towns - there are no elephants.SEREMAKER wrote:
so ........ you can have a CWP ( and I do have CWP for the states ) and if a officer comes up to you and doesn't like the reason why you're carrying .. he could potentionally arrest you
Don't get me wrong, I know there is a different approach on guns in Europe and the US, and I respect yours, but one shouldn't make a point about the right to carry a gun at a political rally, at a moment where a lot of nutjobs are polarising a debate.
I don't think we're even getting close to the 5.56, more like a 9mm, maybe. Still I'd love to see someone try to kill an elephant with anything that could conceivably be concealed!RAIMIUS wrote:
5.56x45mm against an elephant?! HAHAHAHA! The elephant has pretty decent odds!Pierre wrote:
That's the deal. There"s no reason to carry a gun strong enough to kill an elephant in town, where - at least in our towns - there are no elephants.SEREMAKER wrote:
so ........ you can have a CWP ( and I do have CWP for the states ) and if a officer comes up to you and doesn't like the reason why you're carrying .. he could potentionally arrest you
Don't get me wrong, I know there is a different approach on guns in Europe and the US, and I respect yours, but one shouldn't make a point about the right to carry a gun at a political rally, at a moment where a lot of nutjobs are polarising a debate.
A .50AE might have a shot, or a sawn off shotgun loaded with slug maybe.mcgid1 wrote:
I don't think we're even getting close to the 5.56, more like a 9mm, maybe. Still I'd love to see someone try to kill an elephant with anything that could conceivably be concealed!RAIMIUS wrote:
5.56x45mm against an elephant?! HAHAHAHA! The elephant has pretty decent odds!Pierre wrote:
That's the deal. There"s no reason to carry a gun strong enough to kill an elephant in town, where - at least in our towns - there are no elephants.
Don't get me wrong, I know there is a different approach on guns in Europe and the US, and I respect yours, but one shouldn't make a point about the right to carry a gun at a political rally, at a moment where a lot of nutjobs are polarising a debate.
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I've seen some of the firearm training requirements for police and its not impressive. All of the citizen pistols I saw were in holsters. A rifle in a sling is not so easy to remove from someone. Many pistols sold today have more than 15+ rounds.Roger Lesboules wrote:
Police oficer are trained personel, their firearm are in a holster, it take a little more time to get em out, that mean the cop can prlly react faster than the normal citizen. also, assault rifle last ive checked use bigger caliber, fire faster, and way more far than a pistol does. Also, full AR clip = around 30 bullet, Pistol can go to what nowaday? 15 round max?
Someone could just as easily take an officers firearm as one of these citizens. There are dash-cam videos online that show officers losing the struggle for their own firearm, it can and does happen.
Yes, the media tries to put their negative spin on it. Some people will see the truth. Nothing bad came from the event and the man followed the law. Here (VIDEO) is what the police and Mayor had to say. Sounds positive to me.RAIMIUS wrote:
Next, personally I have no problem with OC or protesting, but the media spin from this is mostly negative. The man in Phoenix did a better presentation than the guy out east, since he was dressed like a respectable businessman (dress for success, right?). The issue here is perception is just as important as reality in this activity, and the (generally) anti-gun media has a huge ability to spin it in a negative way. The odds of this being a net gain for gun-rights activists (toward the general population) is at best a 50-50 bet.
The man was dressed and conducted himself very well. I'm glad it was a black man. If it were a white man it'd probably be just another "redneck gun nut".
It's hard to say what the pro-gun gain may be from something like this. I think its more positive than negative. The legality of open carry was spread to a lot of people and nothing bad happened. That's good in my book.
F&N Five seveN has clips that hold 20 very very high powered rounds. They make ones with a steel rod in them that are meant to defeat body armorRoger Lesboules wrote:
Police oficer are trained personel, their firearm are in a holster, it take a little more time to get em out, that mean the cop can prlly react faster than the normal citizen. also, assault rifle last ive checked use bigger caliber, fire faster, and way more far than a pistol does. Also, full AR clip = around 30 bullet, Pistol can go to what nowaday? 15 round max?west-phoenix-az wrote:
How is it any different than someone taking a police officers firearm?Roger Lesboules wrote:
The only problem with this is that if someone in the crowd have no weapon, is pissed at president...spot this AR....humm, shit can hit the fan pretty quick. Bring it as a sign you are pro-weapon and that you want to apply your right to bear it but dont load it kthx.
You can easily buy hi-cap mags for various pistols. I had a glock 23 at one time with a 30rd mag.
I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something. - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.
Actually, Turq, this is absolutely perfect press for those of us who support gun rights. Multiple guns were out in public with their responsible owners and no one was accidentally shot, no one committed a crime, and the evil guns did not kill anyone. Also, an AR-15 is not an assault rifle.Turquoise wrote:
Now, I'm an ardent supporter of gun rights, but to me, this is just stupid. This is the quickest way to cause a public backlash against gun owners, because it paints gun rights advocates in a bad light.
Yes, you have a right to protest. Yes, you have a right to bear arms. Still, you're bringing an assault rifle with you right outside a presidential speech? I guess these guys don't mind being watched by the government, because I'm sure they are now.
Don't agree with packing an AR at a political rally (it's intimidation, conscious or not), but at least he was carrying an AR, the patriot's rifle, and not some stinking piece of shit AK.
bah, if he had violated a law there would be more of an issue.
If he was deemed a threat he would have been detained.
Arizona is an " open carry " state, and he was in bounds of the law. Those in liberal states or outside of the U.S. may consider this insanity, but this is America and bearing arms is a foundational issue.
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If he was deemed a threat he would have been detained.
Arizona is an " open carry " state, and he was in bounds of the law. Those in liberal states or outside of the U.S. may consider this insanity, but this is America and bearing arms is a foundational issue.
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