Braddock
Agitator
+916|6579|Éire
When we think of Nazi Germany and the persecution of the Jews by and entire nation one often assumes that the level of propaganda and societal brainwashing that was needed to implement such a situation was only possible due to the strict level of State control over media outlets back in those days. Surely such a thing would never be possible in an era with instant messaging, multiple online news sources, and micro-blogging? Well I'm afraid it probably is. The internet has been both a blessing and a curse to the world of 'news' and free speech because, while it has truly democratized the media, it has also blunted mankind's ability to discern the truth from the downright ridiculous. We are now in a generation where some people think a blog qualifies as a valid news source - one man basing their "fact-based" opinions on the opinions of someone else. A generation where the opinions of broadcasters and anchormen are shamelessly thrown in along with the news items themselves. A generation where major news networks present Tweets as valid news items (just look at Sky's presentation of the Iranian protests when they could no longer report from inside the country). As a case in point check out this YouTube hit about the Islamification of Europe (it's straight out of the lowing handbook) ...and when you're down read the BBC's critique of the "facts" contained in this video that has been seen by over 10 million people...



BBC Article: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/8189231.stm

Comedian Stewart Lee sums up the state of mankind in relation to the ubiquity of media that surrounds us today...

Stewart Lee wrote:

Nowadays if someone were to read the entire published output of the human race they would end up being less intelligent than someone who had read nothing at all

Last edited by Braddock (2009-08-07 08:22:10)

Pug
UR father's brother's nephew's former roommate
+652|6831|Texas - Bigger than France
Here's something from the poker game last night.  The neighborhood is pissed off as they believe the current administration is attempting to have: 1) a $50 per gun tax per year, 2) report the serial numbers of guns you own on your tax return.

I rolled my eyes and told them to stop drinking.

Here's the linky:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/taxreturns.asp
{M5}Sniper3
Typical white person.
+389|7049|San Antonio, Texas
So you're pretty much saying, "Don't trust the media". I already knew that.
FatherTed
xD
+3,936|6789|so randum
braddock you absolute shite, i was just drawing this up as a new thread when i saw yours

urgh
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Use an umbrella
Deadmonkiefart
Floccinaucinihilipilificator
+177|6995
That's some scary stuff if it's true.  I know that one of the main things keeping Japan down is their decreasing/aging population.
Red Forman
Banned
+402|5689
So what is the term for the bbc admitting they didn't discuss bad things muslims did because they were afraid or whatever?
nickb64
formerly from OC (it's EXACTLY like on tv)[truth]
+77|5900|Greatest Nation on Earth(USA)
KEN-JENNINGS
I am all that is MOD!
+2,982|6921|949

Deadmonkiefart wrote:

That's some scary stuff if it's true.  I know that one of the main things keeping Japan down is their decreasing/aging population.

nickb64 wrote:

http://www.globalpolitician.com/22664-multiculturalism

Related and very Interesting...
Dude, did you guys bother to read the article he linked as well.  In case you didn't it essentially debunks the population growth rates and total numbers discussed in the article.

However, the second link by nickb64 is a case in point as far as the topic - the propaganda on the interwebs.  The article is nicely presented as news facts with little to no backup documentation.  It's easy to offer up these sociological observations in the form of a "news" article, editorial, youtube video...but who is doing the vetting of information?  In many cases, no one is.  People just regurgitate as fact something they see in a 7 minute video clip, something they read online, packaged as fact and delivered to a sleek website.

The BBC article makes a point to mention to that these articles/videos are not necessarily the product of erroneous data gathering, but a lack of analyzation in the dissemination of these statistics.

Take for instance this tidbit from Global Politician (nickb64's link)
Year 2025 - Males Aged 20-40

Non-Muslim European Population: 53.4Million
Muslim Population: 5.9 Million
Ratio: 9:1


This ratio of 9:1 is not hypothetical; the people it represents are already here in our maternity wards and schools. It does not however, represent the true picture of 2025. Europe’s welfare states need a constant ratio of workers to dependents, a situation that requires immigration due to feminism’s legacy of career before children. The aforementioned UN report suggests that Europe will require 2.2 million immigrants per year, with the majority coming from Muslim countries. When these extra 28 million immigrants are taken into account the figures look as follows.


Year 2025 - Males Aged 20-40

Non-Muslim Population: 53.4 Million
Muslim Population: 10.1 Million 2
Ratio: 5:1


As these numbers slowly change the character of Europe, many Europeans will simply pack up and leave, a situation occurring already in unprecedented numbers in countries such as Holland which has a 6% Muslim population, one of the highest in Western Europe. According to the Telegraaf an estimated 121,000 native Dutch emigrated in 2006 compared to only 30,000 in 1999. The demographic profile of these emigrants was well educated, 35-44 with good incomes. Their exodus represents a massive 4.5% of their entire age group. In one year.

In Britain, with a lower Muslim percentage but a higher incidence of terrorist activity, more than one in two wish to emigrate. So, to take an overly conservative figure of emigration amongst 20-40 year olds running at a mere 1% per annum, the figures would look as follows.


Year 2025 - Males Aged 20-40

Non-Muslim Population: 44.6 Million
Muslim Population: 10.1 Million
Ratio: 4:1


In the event of civil war erupting, does anyone seriously think that Turkey would remain on the sidelines? By 2025 there will be some 12 millionTurkish males of fighting age. They will probably be part of the European Union well before then, but, if not, it is unlikely that the necessity of a visa will stop them from crossing the border in aid of their fellow Muslims. Should this transpire, the figures are as follows:


Year 2025 - Males Aged 20-40

Non-Muslim Population: 44.6 million
Muslim population: 22.1 million
Ratio: 2:1


Third world immigration into Europe is quite possibly an issue that politically correct Europeans will grudgingly accept; the Islamification of Europe is another matter entirely and I have seen nothing in the rhetoric or physical actions of European Muslims to suggest this is not their aim. Europeans will not allow this to happen, the politicians in suits will find themselves usurped by the men in the streets. This is why these numbers are so important.

And these numbers are probably worse than I suggest here. As events unfold, the 1% trickle of European emigration I cite could well turn into a flood. Daniel Pipes considers an exodus of the bourgeoisie to be a distinct possibility. Also, I am not a demographer3, so I have no idea how to factor in the children of the millions of immigrants predicted to arrive year on year through to 2050. In addition, the majority of immigration is likely to be made up 20-40 year olds, so the 15% figure of their total between now and 2025 could be only half of the true number.

Finally, what statistical advantage do fanatics prepared to die for their cause have over post-Christian Europeans? Unless things change, Europe will find itself with a mere 2:1 advantage within 18 years, and a 5:1 advantage within the next ten. I wouldn’t like odds of 5:1 let alone 2:1, and the argument that moderate Muslims will not become involved is specious; once a few tit for tat atrocities are committed, everybody will be forced to take sides
The author is making ridiculous presuppositions and predictions for the future state of Europe in order to come to his conclusion.  And we are actually supposed to believe this?  People are actually linking this as inevitable fact?
nickb64
formerly from OC (it's EXACTLY like on tv)[truth]
+77|5900|Greatest Nation on Earth(USA)
I never said it (the article) was true, but if it happened, it could be very "interesting".

I recognize that it may not be fact, as can almost anything on the web...
I probably should have put more of my thoughts into my post, but was in a hurry.
Macbeth
Banned
+2,444|5874

Eh if blademaster wanted he could flood DST with news stories that make whatever he wanted to look bad or good and since he is known for posting so much news claim to be impartial. Pretty funny actually.
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6694|North Carolina
The video is true to a point.  Then again, I don't see a problem with it.

With the world getting as crowded as it is, I'd rather South Asians, Africans, and Latin Americans pump out the kids while those of us of higher standards of living procreate less.

Why?  Because the higher standard of living you have, the more resources you use.  If Americans procreated at the rate that many African nations do, the world's resources would dwindle much faster than they already have.  By extension, it would slowly make it harder for us each to live as well as we currently do.

When poor countries pump out kids fast, it doesn't burden the world as much in terms of resource usage.  Granted, it does still result in a certain amount of pollution.

Nevertheless, it is a good thing that cultures generally procreate less as they become more prosperous because of this resource differential.

So, as the Muslims start living better, they will start to have fewer kids.  As Indians and Latinos prosper more, their family sizes will decrease.

The area that will probably take the longest to slow down in reproduction is Africa, but that's only because of just how poor they are.  Of course, AIDS, famine, war, and various diseases besides AIDS are controlling population growth somewhat throughout Africa anyway....
Burwhale
Save the BlobFish!
+136|6511|Brisneyland
This reminds me of when conservative types paste a chain mail on forums , and then try to pass it off as  truth. This type of misinformation is sneaky and insidious. It appeals to gullible people that want simple answers, and cant be bothered looking deeper into the facts. Dopes then talk to other people trying to pass it off as fact.

Dont see as many chain mails coming from a Left/Centre point of veiw. I am sure they are out there though.
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6700|'Murka

It may seem like the internet is a great tool for propaganda, but its very ubiquity makes it less effective than you would think. People who already lean that way will continue to visit a given site (hence why the 10M figure given by Brad is not people, but hits/visits). If you disagree or don't like it/feel comfortable with it, you just don't go there.

Brad's description of the news and bloggers is quite interesting. It would seem the source that receives some of the highest levels of derision here (Wikipedia) is probably better policed (fact-wise) than "legitimate" sources like the media.

As to chain mail misinformation seeming to come predominantly from right-leaning idealogues: The left doesn't need chain mail to spread misinformation/spin...they've got the dominant media to do it for them.
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lowing
Banned
+1,662|6940|USA

Braddock wrote:

When we think of Nazi Germany and the persecution of the Jews by and entire nation one often assumes that the level of propaganda and societal brainwashing that was needed to implement such a situation was only possible due to the strict level of State control over media outlets back in those days. Surely such a thing would never be possible in an era with instant messaging, multiple online news sources, and micro-blogging? Well I'm afraid it probably is. The internet has been both a blessing and a curse to the world of 'news' and free speech because, while it has truly democratized the media, it has also blunted mankind's ability to discern the truth from the downright ridiculous. We are now in a generation where some people think a blog qualifies as a valid news source - one man basing their "fact-based" opinions on the opinions of someone else. A generation where the opinions of broadcasters and anchormen are shamelessly thrown in along with the news items themselves. A generation where major news networks present Tweets as valid news items (just look at Sky's presentation of the Iranian protests when they could no longer report from inside the country). As a case in point check out this YouTube hit about the Islamification of Europe (it's straight out of the lowing handbook) ...and when you're down read the BBC's critique of the "facts" contained in this video that has been seen by over 10 million people...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-3X5hIFXYU

BBC Article: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/8189231.stm

Comedian Stewart Lee sums up the state of mankind in relation to the ubiquity of media that surrounds us today...

Stewart Lee wrote:

Nowadays if someone were to read the entire published output of the human race they would end up being less intelligent than someone who had read nothing at all
"straight out of the lowing handbook" . YOu speak as if I STARTED a hate trend toward Islam. A news flash, I didn't. I simply agree that Islam has EARNED it.
ghettoperson
Member
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FEOS wrote:

As to chain mail misinformation seeming to come predominantly from right-leaning idealogues: The left doesn't need chain mail to spread misinformation/spin...they've got the dominant media to do it for them.
Ok then, lol.
mafia996630
© 2009 Jeff Minard
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lowing wrote:

Braddock wrote:

When we think of Nazi Germany and the persecution of the Jews by and entire nation one often assumes that the level of propaganda and societal brainwashing that was needed to implement such a situation was only possible due to the strict level of State control over media outlets back in those days. Surely such a thing would never be possible in an era with instant messaging, multiple online news sources, and micro-blogging? Well I'm afraid it probably is. The internet has been both a blessing and a curse to the world of 'news' and free speech because, while it has truly democratized the media, it has also blunted mankind's ability to discern the truth from the downright ridiculous. We are now in a generation where some people think a blog qualifies as a valid news source - one man basing their "fact-based" opinions on the opinions of someone else. A generation where the opinions of broadcasters and anchormen are shamelessly thrown in along with the news items themselves. A generation where major news networks present Tweets as valid news items (just look at Sky's presentation of the Iranian protests when they could no longer report from inside the country). As a case in point check out this YouTube hit about the Islamification of Europe (it's straight out of the lowing handbook) ...and when you're down read the BBC's critique of the "facts" contained in this video that has been seen by over 10 million people...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-3X5hIFXYU

BBC Article: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/8189231.stm

Comedian Stewart Lee sums up the state of mankind in relation to the ubiquity of media that surrounds us today...

Stewart Lee wrote:

Nowadays if someone were to read the entire published output of the human race they would end up being less intelligent than someone who had read nothing at all
"straight out of the lowing handbook" . YOu speak as if I STARTED a hate trend toward Islam. A news flash, I didn't. I simply agree that Islam has EARNED it.
Actually he "speaks" as if it could easily come out of your mouth.
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6940|USA

mafia996630 wrote:

lowing wrote:

Braddock wrote:

When we think of Nazi Germany and the persecution of the Jews by and entire nation one often assumes that the level of propaganda and societal brainwashing that was needed to implement such a situation was only possible due to the strict level of State control over media outlets back in those days. Surely such a thing would never be possible in an era with instant messaging, multiple online news sources, and micro-blogging? Well I'm afraid it probably is. The internet has been both a blessing and a curse to the world of 'news' and free speech because, while it has truly democratized the media, it has also blunted mankind's ability to discern the truth from the downright ridiculous. We are now in a generation where some people think a blog qualifies as a valid news source - one man basing their "fact-based" opinions on the opinions of someone else. A generation where the opinions of broadcasters and anchormen are shamelessly thrown in along with the news items themselves. A generation where major news networks present Tweets as valid news items (just look at Sky's presentation of the Iranian protests when they could no longer report from inside the country). As a case in point check out this YouTube hit about the Islamification of Europe (it's straight out of the lowing handbook) ...and when you're down read the BBC's critique of the "facts" contained in this video that has been seen by over 10 million people...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-3X5hIFXYU

BBC Article: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/8189231.stm

Comedian Stewart Lee sums up the state of mankind in relation to the ubiquity of media that surrounds us today...


"straight out of the lowing handbook" . YOu speak as if I STARTED a hate trend toward Islam. A news flash, I didn't. I simply agree that Islam has EARNED it.
Actually he "speaks" as if it could easily come out of your mouth.
Again, I might agree with the "handbook", but this does not mean I wrote it.
blademaster
I'm moving to Brazil
+2,075|6934

lowing wrote:

mafia996630 wrote:

lowing wrote:

"straight out of the lowing handbook" . YOu speak as if I STARTED a hate trend toward Islam. A news flash, I didn't. I simply agree that Islam has EARNED it.
Actually he "speaks" as if it could easily come out of your mouth.
Again, I might agree with the "handbook", but this does not mean I wrote it.
dont start with Iowing this thread is never gonna end
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6940|USA

blademaster wrote:

lowing wrote:

mafia996630 wrote:

Actually he "speaks" as if it could easily come out of your mouth.
Again, I might agree with the "handbook", but this does not mean I wrote it.
dont start with Iowing this thread is never gonna end
You do realize that it takes 2 to converse correct? Don't be a hater because no one bothers to respond to your posts like they do mine. You are also free not to enter any thread I am posting in.

Last edited by lowing (2009-08-08 13:59:13)

mafia996630
© 2009 Jeff Minard
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blademaster wrote:

lowing wrote:

mafia996630 wrote:


Actually he "speaks" as if it could easily come out of your mouth.
Again, I might agree with the "handbook", but this does not mean I wrote it.
dont start with Iowing this thread is never gonna end
yeah, your right.nvm lowing, I take it back.
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6940|USA

mafia996630 wrote:

blademaster wrote:

lowing wrote:


Again, I might agree with the "handbook", but this does not mean I wrote it.
dont start with Iowing this thread is never gonna end
yeah, your right.nvm lowing, I take it back.
not a problem, you also know where the door is

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