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System 1 (Core i7 + GTX275 + 6Gb RAM)84%84% - 16
System 2 (Phenom2 X4 940 + 4870X2 + 8 Gb RAM)15%15% - 3
Total: 19
SamFisher199
Airwhore
+40|5649|Netherlands
Hi, im planning on buying a new pc, but I can't choose between these 2 systems:

System 1:

- Core i7 920 (4 x 2.66 GHz)
- nVidia GTX 275 (896 Mb)
- 6 Gb Corsair DDR 3 RAM (1333 MHz)
- 500 Gb HDD
- MSI X58 PRO-E ATX Mobo
- Inter-Tech Combat Power 750 Watt
- ASUS Vento TA-210 case
Price: ~ €930

System 2

- AMD Phenom2 X4 940 (4 x 3.0 GHz)
- ATI 4870X2 (2048 Mb)
- 8Gb Kingston DDR2 PC2-6400 (800Mhz)
- 1.0 Tb HDD
- ASRock A780GXH/128M Mobo
- Inter-Tech Combat Power 750 Watt
- Antec Three Hundred Midi Tower Black Steel case

Price: €999

Both systems have a 750W powersupply, a DVD rewriter and a case included in the price.

Im strongly thinking about system nr. 1, but I can't make the decision before I get some second opinions or maybe an entirely different setup. So please vote and include the motivation for your vote as well

My budget: €1000 or 1,422.46 USD
I don't care about €50 more or something like that, but I'm trying to keep it below €1000

Last edited by SamFisher199 (2009-07-20 12:22:39)

IrishGrimReaper
Field Marshal | o |
+142|6056|Ireland | Monaghan

What mobo are they using?
Intel Core i7 CPU 920 @ 4GHz || 3x2 GB OCZ 1600Mhz DDR3 || 80GB Intel X25-M Gen 2 || KFA2 GTX 480 1536Mb ||| Samsung T220 || Xonar DX 7.1 || AV 40 || P6T Deluxe V2 || Win 7 HP 64 Bit || Lian Li P80
GC_PaNzerFIN
Work and study @ Technical Uni
+528|5750|Finland

waht mobo, what PSU brand, which case etc.?! Max budget?
3930K | H100i | RIVF | 16GB DDR3 | GTX 480 | AX750 | 800D | 512GB SSD | 3TB HDD | Xonar DX | W8
SamFisher199
Airwhore
+40|5649|Netherlands
Okay i updated the specs
Freezer7Pro
I don't come here a lot anymore.
+1,447|5533|Winland

I'd recommend the first system, but come on, MSI mobo and noname power supply? You can do better than that.
The idea of any hi-fi system is to reproduce the source material as faithfully as possible, and to deliberately add distortion to everything you hear (due to amplifier deficiencies) because it sounds 'nice' is simply not high fidelity. If that is what you want to hear then there is no problem with that, but by adding so much additional material (by way of harmonics and intermodulation) you have a tailored sound system, not a hi-fi. - Rod Elliot, ESP
SamFisher199
Airwhore
+40|5649|Netherlands

Freezer7Pro wrote:

I'd recommend the first system, but come on, MSI mobo and noname power supply? You can do better than that.
I agree on the PSU but whats wrong with MSI mobo?
What PSU brand and wattage would you recommend?

Last edited by SamFisher199 (2009-07-20 12:47:03)

Freezer7Pro
I don't come here a lot anymore.
+1,447|5533|Winland

ASUS/Gigabyte for the mobo, Corsair for the PSU. Maybe the TX750. The HX620 will probably work just fine, too.

Last edited by Freezer7Pro (2009-07-20 12:48:17)

The idea of any hi-fi system is to reproduce the source material as faithfully as possible, and to deliberately add distortion to everything you hear (due to amplifier deficiencies) because it sounds 'nice' is simply not high fidelity. If that is what you want to hear then there is no problem with that, but by adding so much additional material (by way of harmonics and intermodulation) you have a tailored sound system, not a hi-fi. - Rod Elliot, ESP
GC_PaNzerFIN
Work and study @ Technical Uni
+528|5750|Finland

Intel Core i7-920
239,53 €
       
SCYTHE Mugen 2
35,01 €
       
ASUS P6T, Sockel 1366, ATX, DDR3    
194,53 €
       
6GB-KIT G-Skill DDR3 PC1600, CL 9    
84,86 €
       
ASUS ENGTX275
204,21 €

Enermax Modu82+ 625W       
124,87 €

       
Antec Three Hundred
53,41 €
       
WD Cavier Black 500GB   
52,07 €

=988,??€

e: better psu fitted in tbhe price range. prices from www1.hardwaresand.de

Last edited by GC_PaNzerFIN (2009-07-20 12:51:59)

3930K | H100i | RIVF | 16GB DDR3 | GTX 480 | AX750 | 800D | 512GB SSD | 3TB HDD | Xonar DX | W8
SamFisher199
Airwhore
+40|5649|Netherlands

GC_PaNzerFIN wrote:

Intel Core i7-920
239,53 €
       
SCYTHE Mugen 2
35,01 €
       
ASUS P6T, Sockel 1366, ATX, DDR3    
194,53 €
       
6GB-KIT G-Skill DDR3 PC1600, CL 9    
84,86 €
       
ASUS ENGTX275
204,21 €
       
Enermax Modu82+ 525W
96,61 €
       
Antec Three Hundred
53,41 €
       
WD Cavier Black 500GB   
52,07 €

=960,23 €
Few questions
Why a different CPU cooler? (I heard the stock 920 cooler was just fine without an OC)
What shop is this?
Is it pre-assembled?

Thx for the replies
GC_PaNzerFIN
Work and study @ Technical Uni
+528|5750|Finland

hardwaresand.de

No its not assembled.

Do you value silence? The stock cooler is not silent.
3930K | H100i | RIVF | 16GB DDR3 | GTX 480 | AX750 | 800D | 512GB SSD | 3TB HDD | Xonar DX | W8
SamFisher199
Airwhore
+40|5649|Netherlands
Ye I do value silence thx for the advice
SamFisher199
Airwhore
+40|5649|Netherlands
Ok, i think im going to keep it with this:

- Core i7 920 (with the Scythe Mugen 2 cooler)
- ASUS ENGTX275 896MB
- ASUS P6T, Sockel 1366, ATX, DDR3
- 6GB-Kit GEIL Value PC3-12800 DDR3-1600 CL8
- Antec Three Hundred, ATX
- Corsair TX750W
- Samsung HD161HJ S-ATA II 160GB 7200, 8 MB Cache, NCQ (For OS, already have a 1 TB HDD)
- Samsung SH-223Q
- PC-assembly for €20, yes im lazy

This for = €1010,65 excl. transport costs

IMO a good deal, better than the origional setup

1 more question, ive put this all together with the pc configurator on that website, but i can't seem to be able to add the cpu cooler, since it detects it already has a boxed cooler. How do i add the cpu cooler so they will install that one, instead of the boxed? If i order it seperately im pretty sure i will have to take of the boxed and install the other 1 myself, which isnt a big problem, but id rather prevent that.
Freezer7Pro
I don't come here a lot anymore.
+1,447|5533|Winland

I think the best thing to do is to mail them.
The idea of any hi-fi system is to reproduce the source material as faithfully as possible, and to deliberately add distortion to everything you hear (due to amplifier deficiencies) because it sounds 'nice' is simply not high fidelity. If that is what you want to hear then there is no problem with that, but by adding so much additional material (by way of harmonics and intermodulation) you have a tailored sound system, not a hi-fi. - Rod Elliot, ESP
GC_PaNzerFIN
Work and study @ Technical Uni
+528|5750|Finland

That rig is worse than what I out together, but more expensive. Where are those prices from?
3930K | H100i | RIVF | 16GB DDR3 | GTX 480 | AX750 | 800D | 512GB SSD | 3TB HDD | Xonar DX | W8
SamFisher199
Airwhore
+40|5649|Netherlands
Prices are from the same website
GC_PaNzerFIN
Work and study @ Technical Uni
+528|5750|Finland

SamFisher199 wrote:

Prices are from the same website
I suggest sticking with my component selection then.
3930K | H100i | RIVF | 16GB DDR3 | GTX 480 | AX750 | 800D | 512GB SSD | 3TB HDD | Xonar DX | W8
nickb64
formerly from OC (it's EXACTLY like on tv)[truth]
+77|4946|Greatest Nation on Earth(USA)

SamFisher199 wrote:

1 more question, ive put this all together with the pc configurator on that website, but i can't seem to be able to add the cpu cooler, since it detects it already has a boxed cooler. How do i add the cpu cooler so they will install that one, instead of the boxed? If i order it seperately im pretty sure i will have to take of the boxed and install the other 1 myself, which isnt a big problem, but id rather prevent that.
idk

Solution: Buy parts and build yourself... It's like expensive legos...

Last edited by nickb64 (2009-07-20 22:25:22)

GR34
Member
+215|5880|ALBERTA> CANADA
why not i7 + ati or AMD = Nvidia
nickb64
formerly from OC (it's EXACTLY like on tv)[truth]
+77|4946|Greatest Nation on Earth(USA)

GR34 wrote:

why not i7 + ati or AMD = Nvidia
I was wondering as well...

Why not???

Works the same, yes?
GR34
Member
+215|5880|ALBERTA> CANADA

nickb64 wrote:

GR34 wrote:

why not i7 + ati or AMD + Nvidia
I was wondering as well...

Why not???

Works the same, yes?
yes it will all work just fine
SamFisher199
Airwhore
+40|5649|Netherlands
Ok, another look at this, the next components im going to use for sure:

- Core i7 920 (with the Scythe Mugen 2 cooler)
- ASUS P6T, Sockel 1366, ATX, DDR3
- 6GB-KIT G-Skill DDR3 PC1600, CL 9
- Antec Three Hundred, ATX
- Corsair TX750W (I chose this 1 because the other from Enermax doesn't show up)
- Samsung HD161HJ S-ATA II 160GB 7200, 8 MB Cache, NCQ (For OS, already have a 1 TB HDD)
- Samsung SH-223Q
- PC-assembly for €20, yes im lazy

Total of: €787.57 , without GPU, whats best to choose for the GPU now, with a price range around €250?

- Single GTX 275, ASUS, €204
- Single HD 4890, XFX, €161 OR other brand (more expensive)
- Single GTX 285, ASUS, €287 (only if it's a big enough performance boost compared to the other cards)
- SLI 9800GT ~ 2x €100 (Palit, ZOTAC, Sparkle, Club3d or Point of View (512 and 1024 mB versions))
- SLI GTX260 Min 2x €135 (ZOTAC) Also available in other brands but again, moree expensive, and €270 is already at the max, unless it's really worth the extra money
- Crossfire HD 4870 ~ €246 - €300 , lots of versions/brands

Im pretty sure thats about it , while putting this together, I'm still with the GTX275, I think the value/price ratio on that is the best of all named above. Thx for the advice so far, but I hope you can all help me out with this last thing as well
GC_PaNzerFIN
Work and study @ Technical Uni
+528|5750|Finland

tbh, SLi 260 (are those Core 216 models? make sure they are!) is best performer out of those. If you can afford it, I highly recommend (I had similar setup and it wasn't that far from GTX 295 tbh)

edit: Oh and you REALLY want to get at least 320GB HDD. That 160GB one you have chosen is pretty shi** and slow. The drive has only 8MB cache which is piss poor for OS drive.

Last edited by GC_PaNzerFIN (2009-07-21 11:03:42)

3930K | H100i | RIVF | 16GB DDR3 | GTX 480 | AX750 | 800D | 512GB SSD | 3TB HDD | Xonar DX | W8
SamFisher199
Airwhore
+40|5649|Netherlands

GC_PaNzerFIN wrote:

tbh, SLi 260 (are those Core 216 models? make sure they are!) is best performer out of those. If you can afford it, I highly recommend (I had similar setup and it wasn't that far from GTX 295 tbh)
The cheapest GTX260 is from ZOTAC, which is a 192 core. After that comes GTX 260 from Sparkle ( http://www3.hardwareversand.de/articled … p;agid=554 ) I found here ( http://www.sparkle.com.tw/product_detai … sub_id=286 ) that that card does have 216 'steam processors'. Now maybe I'll stick with only one card for now, and build in a second in later, im not sure yet tho...
SamFisher199
Airwhore
+40|5649|Netherlands
IrishGrimReaper
Field Marshal | o |
+142|6056|Ireland | Monaghan

Can you stretch the euro a bit and get this one?
http://www4.hardwareversand.de/articled … p;agid=689

I have it and it's great!
Intel Core i7 CPU 920 @ 4GHz || 3x2 GB OCZ 1600Mhz DDR3 || 80GB Intel X25-M Gen 2 || KFA2 GTX 480 1536Mb ||| Samsung T220 || Xonar DX 7.1 || AV 40 || P6T Deluxe V2 || Win 7 HP 64 Bit || Lian Li P80

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