Obama: Barbers, Cosmetologists, Home Health Care Aides w/AIDS+HIV OK

2009-07-20 18:54:41

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Harmor: Error_Name_Not_Found; +605|6838|San Diego, CA, USA

Okay for People With HIV and AIDS to Be Barbers, Cosmetologists, Home Health Care Aides

CNS News wrote:
Monday, July 20, 2009

(CNSNews.com) - People with HIV or AIDS -- regardless of whether they exhibit symptoms -- are considered to have a disability, and therefore they are protected by the Americans With Disabilities Act in their choice of profession, the Obama administration says.

The U.S. Justice Department last week released a new "fact sheet" intended to provide guidance for state licensing agencies and occupational training schools.

The fact sheet says that individuals with HIV or AIDS who want to become barbers, massage therapists or home health care assistants, for example, must not be turned away because of their illness.

"People with HIV or AIDS should not be denied access to their chosen profession because of outdated laws or unfounded stereotypes and fears,” said Loretta King, acting assistant attorney general for the Civil Rights Division.

According to a Justice Department news release announcing the guidelines, “Persons with HIV and AIDS unfortunately still face obstacles in obtaining training and state licensure in these occupations because of overly broad state licensure requirements that applicants be free of communicable diseases.

“Because HIV disease is not communicated through casual contact, excluding individuals with HIV under these licensure requirements is unnecessary and discriminates against these individuals in violation of the Americans with Disabilities Act,” the news release said.

2009-07-20 18:55:44

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Macbeth: Banned; +2,444|5875

I'm not going to even read the article but just panic and say "FUCK THAT". Quarantine the mother fuckers IMO.

2009-07-20 19:08:52

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Turquoise: O Canada; +1,596|6695|North Carolina

Macbeth wrote:
Quarantine the mother fuckers IMO.

Well... Huckabee's view is pragmatic, but I'm pretty sure it would be ruled unconstitutional under most circumstances.

2009-07-21 01:21:38

#4

Spark: liquid fluoride thorium reactor; +874|6964|Canberra, AUS

You can't get HIV/AIDS from someone cutting your hair. Unless they bleed all over you and you lick the wound or something like that.

The disease is bad enough without misinformation.

The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
^{~ Richard Feynman}

2009-07-21 01:41:52

#5

Flaming_Maniac: prince of insufficient light; +2,490|6996|67.222.138.85

I'm confused why anyone is pissed about this. It seems like a good ruling from any standpoint...?

2009-07-21 02:38:40

#6

Spark: liquid fluoride thorium reactor; +874|6964|Canberra, AUS

Flaming_Maniac wrote:
I'm confused why anyone is pissed about this. It seems like a good ruling from any standpoint...?

yeh, bit strange

The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
^{~ Richard Feynman}

2009-07-21 04:02:18

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FEOS: Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate; +1,182|6700|'Murka

I think it would be situational. For instance, I wouldn't want a barber with HIV/AIDS cutting my hair. Too many opportunities for cross-contamination of wounds you may not even realize you/they have.

Same with home health. Even more of a chance of cross-contamination/infection. We tell our son's nurses that they can't work the case without a flu shot for the current year. Any nurse with HIV would have to wear a mask and gloves at all times, minimum.

Writ large, I don't have a problem with the ruling per se...but I think there needs to be some situational wiggle room.

“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular

2009-07-21 04:12:08

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Hakei: Banned; +295|6285

Do you guys believe every person with AIDS is not caring of other people's health? The ruling GIVES the ability for these people to participate in these jobs - I doubt very much a person with AIDS is going to be a hair dresser, and even so, I'm sure they'd be careful with what they're doing.

2009-07-21 04:21:32

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Burwhale: Save the BlobFish!; +136|6512|Brisneyland

I am suprised this is even an issue. HIV is pretty hard to catch, and very fragile outside its host body. You are more likely to catch HepB. I dont see anyone talking about that though.

Macbeth wrote:
I'm not going to even read the article but just panic and say "FUCK THAT". Quarantine the mother fuckers IMO.

This is just plain stupid.

2009-07-21 04:23:55

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ghettoperson: Member; +1,943|6939

FEOS wrote:
Same with home health. Even more of a chance of cross-contamination/infection. We tell our son's nurses that they can't work the case without a flu shot for the current year. Any nurse with HIV would have to wear a mask and gloves at all times, minimum.

Why, in case they breath AIDS on you?

2009-07-21 04:25:14

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Burwhale: Save the BlobFish!; +136|6512|Brisneyland

FEOS wrote:
Any nurse with HIV would have to wear a mask and gloves at all times, minimum.

Why? You cant catch HIV by breathing on some one. You cant transmit it by touch either.

Damn, Ghetto beat me to it.

Last edited by Burwhale (2009-07-21 04:26:00)

2009-07-21 04:35:17

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Macbeth: Banned; +2,444|5875

@burwhale. Well fuck me for not wanting to be around people with a transmittable, deadly incurable disease.

2009-07-21 04:36:45

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Bertster7: Confused Pothead; +1,101|6871|SE London

FEOS wrote:
I think it would be situational. For instance, I wouldn't want a barber with HIV/AIDS cutting my hair. Too many opportunities for cross-contamination of wounds you may not even realize you/they have.

Same with home health. Even more of a chance of cross-contamination/infection. We tell our son's nurses that they can't work the case without a flu shot for the current year. Any nurse with HIV would have to wear a mask and gloves at all times, minimum.

Writ large, I don't have a problem with the ruling per se...but I think there needs to be some situational wiggle room.

Do you have any grasp of how you catch AIDS?

It certainly doesn't sound like it.

A nurse would have to wear a mask? Why? There are T-cells in saliva, but not a sufficient quantity to infect anyone - even if you were to spit into an open wound. Gloves? Why?

Cross contamination of wounds you don't know you/they have? Like what? You need a fairly substantial transfer of blood (or other substacne with a high concentration of T-cells) for infection, a scab rubbing against another scab isn't going to get you infected. You're hardly going to not realise if you have a gaping head wound when you go to the barber.

Durable dressings, immediately for any cuts they may sustain would certainly be prudent, but that's about it.

What if a madman broke in and shot these healthcare professionals to death? If you were yawning you'd get their blood in your mouth and catch AIDS!

The hysteria and paranoia surrounding all this is ridiculous.

Last edited by Bertster7 (2009-07-21 04:45:56)

2009-07-21 04:52:46

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Burwhale: Save the BlobFish!; +136|6512|Brisneyland

Macbeth wrote:
@burwhale. Well fuck me for not wanting to be around people with a transmittable, deadly incurable disease.

You really dont know how hard it is to catch it do you. Transmittable- Unless you are sharing needles or getting into unsafe sex (mainly with other men), you dont need to worry ( if you do these you pretty much deserve what you get). Deadly- Antiretrovirals are very effective in treating it. Most people on anti HIV meds live very normal lives. Incurable- Well I guess you are right on one count.

Its not Ebola FFS!

2009-07-21 04:54:03

#15

Bertster7: Confused Pothead; +1,101|6871|SE London

Burwhale wrote:
Macbeth wrote:
@burwhale. Well fuck me for not wanting to be around people with a transmittable, deadly incurable disease.
You really dont know how hard it is to catch it do you. Transmittable- Unless you are sharing needles or getting into unsafe sex (mainly with other men), you dont need to worry ( if you do these you pretty much deserve what you get). Deadly- Antiretrovirals are very effective in treating it. Most people on anti HIV meds live very normal lives. Incurable- Well I guess you are right on one count.

Its not Ebola FFS!

You missed that it is curable within a short window after infection...

2009-07-21 04:55:46

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Burwhale: Save the BlobFish!; +136|6512|Brisneyland

Actually thats true, I forgot that.
MacBeth is wrong on all counts.

2009-07-21 04:58:59

#17

Spark: liquid fluoride thorium reactor; +874|6964|Canberra, AUS

HIV does not lead to AIDS in all cases. In some cases people may be HIV positive for decades and never display any adverse reaction, let alone a full-blown autoimmune disorder.

The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
^{~ Richard Feynman}

2009-07-21 05:11:40

#18

Macbeth: Banned; +2,444|5875

Fine you guys hang out with the aids patiants (sic) I prefer not too.

2009-07-21 05:37:03

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Chorcai: Member; +49|6937|Ireland

Burwhale wrote:
Macbeth wrote:
@burwhale. Well fuck me for not wanting to be around people with a transmittable, deadly incurable disease.
You really dont know how hard it is to catch it do you. Transmittable- Unless you are sharing needles or getting into unsafe sex (mainly with other men or women), you dont need to worry ( if you do these you pretty much deserve what you get). Deadly- Antiretrovirals are very effective in treating it. Most people on anti HIV meds live very normal lives. Incurable- Well I guess you are right on one count.

Its not Ebola FFS!

Last edited by Chorcai (2009-07-21 05:37:29)

2009-07-21 16:41:29

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Turquoise: O Canada; +1,596|6695|North Carolina

With all of the focus on people with AIDS, we often forget that plenty of diseases are MUCH easier to catch.

For example, did you know that people with Hepatitis can work in food preparation jobs? Hepatitis is much easier to catch than HIV, and all it takes is something as simple as a handshake. You can also get it from eating food that someone with Hepatitis has handled with bare hands.

So basically, we should be focusing on these kinds of diseases rather than AIDS/HIV. Every state government has the power to limit hiring practices with regard to disease concerns, and some regulations used to exist, but thanks to the deregulation fever of the 80s and 90s, few of these regulations still exist.

2009-07-21 19:28:36

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13rin: Member; +977|6769

I cut my own hair, don't wear makeup or need a live in assistant. I have no dog in this fight. However, If I was a live in assistant I would take exception to being lumped in with beauticians... And they probably shouldn't be HIV+.

I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something. - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.

2009-07-21 21:17:49

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DrunkFace: Germans did 911; +427|6971|Disaster Free Zone

Macbeth wrote:
@burwhale. Well fuck me for not wanting to be around people with a transmittable, deadly incurable disease.

Well you could use some self control and not have butsex with them. I know its hard for you, but you could try.

2009-07-21 21:18:51

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Macbeth: Banned; +2,444|5875

DrunkFace wrote:
Macbeth wrote:
@burwhale. Well fuck me for not wanting to be around people with a transmittable, deadly incurable disease.
Well you could use some self control and not have butsex with them. I know its hard for you, but you could try.

2009-07-21 21:58:49

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Harmor: Error_Name_Not_Found; +605|6838|San Diego, CA, USA

DBBrinson1 wrote:
I cut my own hair, don't wear makeup or need a live in assistant. I have no dog in this fight. However, If I was a live in assistant I would take exception to being lumped in with beauticians... And they probably shouldn't be HIV+.

I cut my own hair, don't wear makeup, or need a live-in assistant either.

2009-07-22 02:25:53

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ghettoperson: Member; +1,943|6939

DBBrinson1 wrote:
I cut my own hair, don't wear makeup or need a live in assistant. I have no dog in this fight. However, If I was a live in assistant I would take exception to being lumped in with beauticians... And they probably shouldn't be HIV+.

Do you use a mirror? Isn't that really difficult? Does your hair usually look terrible?

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