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2009-06-06 14:09:08
Karbin
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blademaster wrote:

lowing wrote:

ghettoperson wrote:

Of course. And naturally you are.
Yes I am.

Seriously though, are you saying that you do not believe Iran is putting nukes together?
yea but only for better protection maybe so that way U.S. or Israel wouldn't attack them?
Right...sure.....

Nukes+Gas+Germs= WMD's
Use ANY on the U.S. or Israel...  Mushroom clouds dot Iran.
Next reason please.

Iran wants a bomb as a bragging point for the rest of the Arab world.
Now, if, they gave it to say, Hezbollah or Hamas.....   Mushroom clouds again.
Remember that the fuel in a bomb can be traced back to the reactor it came from, even after it's detonated.
The west and the Russians know the signatures of the ones from their reactors. Same for the Israeli's.
2009-06-06 14:13:07
usmarine
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why dont i deserve a state then?  my mom is sicilian, and they were driven out of italy.  i will take a nice little slice of palermo thank you very much.
2009-06-06 14:17:01
m3thod
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lowing wrote:

ghettoperson wrote:

Of course. And naturally you are.
Yes I am.

Seriously though, are you saying that you do not believe Iran is putting nukes together?
And who can blame him.

All powa to Ahmenajad, re-address the balance a little.
Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.
2009-06-06 14:53:30
Karbin
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m3thod wrote:

lowing wrote:

ghettoperson wrote:

Of course. And naturally you are.
Yes I am.

Seriously though, are you saying that you do not believe Iran is putting nukes together?
And who can blame him.

All powa to Ahmenajad, re-address the balance a little.
Balance????????

Who would use one first, Israel or Iran?
My bets on Iran for first use.

"The Zionist regime is seeking baseless pretexts to invade Islamic countries and right now it is justifying its attacks with groundless excuses,"
He called Israel an "illegitimate regime" with "no legal basis for its existence"
"The sole existence of this regime is for invasion and attack."

Sure...want one for "Balance"

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2009-06-06 15:25:05
lowing
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blademaster wrote:

lowing wrote:

ghettoperson wrote:

Of course. And naturally you are.
Yes I am.

Seriously though, are you saying that you do not believe Iran is putting nukes together?
yea but only for better protection maybe so that way U.S. or Israel wouldn't attack them?
and you do not allow such considerastion for a nation that has been threatened with destruction and war for 60 years from its surrounding countries?

At least Israel is not breaking any treaties, Iran however is.
2009-06-06 15:30:50
CameronPoe
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san4 wrote:

Karbin wrote:

As long as Arab opinions on the ME remain entrenched, nothing will change.
Fixed.

The Palestinian and other Arab leaders refuse accept Israel as a Jewish state. They don't want peace, they want the Jews gone.

Like many people, Cam likes to pretend otherwise.
Oh that's right - Egypt and Jordan aren't Arab, Fatah didn't recognise Israel's right to exist, Qatar doesn't have low-level relations with Israel and Syria weren't clandestinely discussing peace with Israel in exchange for getting the Golan Heights back...

Last edited by CameronPoe (2009-06-06 15:32:39)

2009-06-06 15:34:17
CameronPoe
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Karbin wrote:

Balance????????

Who would use one first, Israel or Iran?
My bets on Iran for first use.

"The Zionist regime is seeking baseless pretexts to invade Islamic countries and right now it is justifying its attacks with groundless excuses,"
He called Israel an "illegitimate regime" with "no legal basis for its existence"
"The sole existence of this regime is for invasion and attack."

Sure...want one for "Balance"
I'll tell you who'll use one first: neither, because it would mean mutually assured destruction for both. Neither should have nuclear weapons either although it's a bit patronising for us in the west to dictate that since we have the fucking things coming out of our ears.
2009-06-06 15:35:35
CameronPoe
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lowing wrote:

This is true, proof being that everytime Israel concedes land it is then used as launching platforms against them.
Yeah all those missiles flying in from the Sinai desert are just overwhelming.... The vacuum strikes again.
2009-06-06 16:05:43
Flecco
iPod is broken.
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usmarine wrote:

why dont i deserve a state then?  my mom is sicilian, and they were driven out of italy.  i will take a nice little slice of palermo thank you very much.
That can be taken both ways m8.

Why did the Jews, who were thrown out a few thousand years ago, have the right to take the land back by force?
Whoa... Can't believe these forums are still kicking.
2009-06-06 16:22:25
Karbin
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Flecco wrote:

usmarine wrote:

why dont i deserve a state then?  my mom is sicilian, and they were driven out of italy.  i will take a nice little slice of palermo thank you very much.
That can be taken both ways m8.

Why did the Jews, who were thrown out a few thousand years ago, have the right to take the land back by force?
Check your history....Israel got started by the UN. All the land that has "taken back by force" was taken in war. Gaza handed back.
Sinai handed back with an agreement from Egypt of peace (see Camp David Accords)
The West Bank is a mess. (see the Oslo Accords)
Rockets come in from Gaza, The West Bank and from Labanon.

Not too sure but, I don't think there's been rockets fired from Sinai

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2009-06-06 16:46:28
Flecco
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CyrusTheVirus wrote:

I regret to inform you that the jews created the state of Israel. THe UN plan was not implemented and all the Brits did was pull out under increasing pressure from the chaos that surrounded them. Once the jews had established what seemed to be a stable state countries then began to recognise them as a legitimate nation.
Oi Cyrus, get in here and back me up on this. I don't have the sources you pointed me to anymore. Just curious, but Karbin were you around while Cyrus was posting?

Oi Poe you prick, don't leave me out on a limb here.

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Whoa... Can't believe these forums are still kicking.
2009-06-06 16:47:47
lowing
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CameronPoe wrote:

lowing wrote:

This is true, proof being that everytime Israel concedes land it is then used as launching platforms against them.
Yeah all those missiles flying in from the Sinai desert are just overwhelming.... The vacuum strikes again.
Actually I was thinking more along the lines of Gaza and the West Bank

but your little squirming smart ass comments are nothing if not adorable

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2009-06-06 16:53:10
CameronPoe
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lowing wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

lowing wrote:

This is true, proof being that everytime Israel concedes land it is then used as launching platforms against them.
Yeah all those missiles flying in from the Sinai desert are just overwhelming.... The vacuum strikes again.
Actually I was thinking more along the lines of Gaza and the West Bank

but your little squirming smart ass comments are nothing if not adorable
Hey it's tough being right all the time. And since when was the West Bank handed back? lol
2009-06-06 17:00:42
lowing
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CameronPoe wrote:

lowing wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:


Yeah all those missiles flying in from the Sinai desert are just overwhelming.... The vacuum strikes again.
Actually I was thinking more along the lines of Gaza and the West Bank

but your little squirming smart ass comments are nothing if not adorable
Hey it's tough being right all the time. And since when was the West Bank handed back? lol
Why thank you it is about time you admitted I was right, but please do not stop with your little personal attacks, I enjoy reading it

It was not handed back, settlements are being dismattled
2009-06-06 17:00:52
Karbin
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Flecco wrote:

CyrusTheVirus wrote:

I regret to inform you that the jews created the state of Israel. THe UN plan was not implemented and all the Brits did was pull out under increasing pressure from the chaos that surrounded them. Once the jews had established what seemed to be a stable state countries then began to recognise them as a legitimate nation.
Oi Cyrus, get in here and back me up on this. I don't have the sources you pointed me to anymore. Just curious, but Karbin were you around while Cyrus was posting?
The name doesn't ring any bells.
And I see where he's going with that one. Here's how.

The United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine or United Nations General Assembly Resolution 181 (II) Future Government of Palestine was a plan adopted by a decision of the General Assembly on November 29, 1947. The decision recommended the division of the western portion of the Mandate of Palestine into two provisional states, one Jewish and one Arab, and provided the framework for a regional economic union. The General Assembly also recommended that the City of Jerusalem not be included in either state, but, rather, be placed under a special international regime administered by the United Nations. A transitional period under UN auspices was to begin with the adoption of the resolution and last until establishment of the two states. The resolution contemplated a gradual withdrawal of British forces and termination of the British Mandate of Palestine by August 1, 1948, and full independence of the new states by 1 October 1948.

The plan was approved by a vote of 33 to 13, with 10 abstentions. On March 5, 1948, the United Nations Security Council reached an impasse when it refused to pass a resolution which would have accepted the partition plan as a basis for Security Council action. The United States subsequently recommended a temporary UN trusteeship for Palestine "without prejudice to the character of the eventual political settlement", and the Security Council voted to send the matter back to the General Assembly for further deliberation. The General Assembly decided to appoint a Mediator, and relieved the Palestine Commission from any further exercise of responsibility under resolution 181 (II) of 29 November 1947.

While the plan was never implemented, Israel's Declaration of Independence of May 1948 cites the UN resolution among the items recognizing the right of the Jewish People to establish a state.

Sorry, I spend way to much time going through the UN library on-line..... Started with a debate here on the Geneva Protocols

2009-06-06 17:02:37
Karbin
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CameronPoe wrote:

lowing wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:


Yeah all those missiles flying in from the Sinai desert are just overwhelming.... The vacuum strikes again.
Actually I was thinking more along the lines of Gaza and the West Bank

but your little squirming smart ass comments are nothing if not adorable
Hey it's tough being right all the time. And since when was the West Bank handed back? lol
See the Oslo Accords
2009-06-06 17:02:57
CameronPoe
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Karbin wrote:

Check your history....Israel got started by the UN. All the land that has "taken back by force" was taken in war. Gaza handed back.
Sinai handed back with an agreement from Egypt of peace (see Camp David Accords)
The West Bank is a mess. (see the Oslo Accords)
Rockets come in from Gaza, The West Bank and from Labanon.

Not too sure but, I don't think there's been rockets fired from Sinai
Israel was started by Zionists my friend. The UN didn't ship them in on a big old boat. The UN didn't forcibly extract them from Europe and plonk them down there against their will. And did this UN plan you speak of not look something like this:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/97/UN_Partition_Plan_For_Palestine_1947.png/327px-UN_Partition_Plan_For_Palestine_1947.png

... with an internationally administered Jerusalem?

As it happens the plan was rejected by the Arab League and the Arab leadership inside and outside of Palestine.

When the Brits pulled out by terminating their mandate in light of increasing Zionist terrorism and sectarian violence Zionists created Israel using guns and bombs. There weren't any UN peace keeping troops walking around commiserating the indigenous population. Israel declared independence unilaterally, thereby bringing legitimate war on itself by trapping hundreds of thousands of Arabs in a state they wanted no part of and had no right to be compelled to become part of and where it was not incumbent on them to give up everything they owned to facilitate.

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2009-06-06 17:05:56
CameronPoe
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Karbin wrote:

See the Oslo Accords
I've been in the West Bank. If that's what you call 'handed back' then I suggest you visit the place.

https://photos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-sf2p/v103/159/30/711919304/n711919304_153876_7883.jpg

Ariel Sharon pretty much tore up the accords and shat all over them.

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2009-06-06 17:07:05
ghettoperson
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lowing wrote:

ghettoperson wrote:

Of course. And naturally you are.
Yes I am.

Seriously though, are you saying that you do not believe Iran is putting nukes together?
In all honesty, I've got no idea. I think they'd like them, but then who wouldn't.
2009-06-06 17:12:23
Flecco
iPod is broken.
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Karbin wrote:

Flecco wrote:

CyrusTheVirus wrote:

I regret to inform you that the jews created the state of Israel. THe UN plan was not implemented and all the Brits did was pull out under increasing pressure from the chaos that surrounded them. Once the jews had established what seemed to be a stable state countries then began to recognise them as a legitimate nation.
Oi Cyrus, get in here and back me up on this. I don't have the sources you pointed me to anymore. Just curious, but Karbin were you around while Cyrus was posting?
The name doesn't ring any bells.
Cyrus = Poe trolling the likes of me.
Whoa... Can't believe these forums are still kicking.
2009-06-06 17:14:51
ghettoperson
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I didn't know Cam still used Cyrus.
2009-06-06 17:17:38
Karbin
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CameronPoe wrote:

Karbin wrote:

Check your history....Israel got started by the UN. All the land that has "taken back by force" was taken in war. Gaza handed back.
Sinai handed back with an agreement from Egypt of peace (see Camp David Accords)
The West Bank is a mess. (see the Oslo Accords)
Rockets come in from Gaza, The West Bank and from Labanon.

Not too sure but, I don't think there's been rockets fired from Sinai
Israel was started by Zionists my friend. The UN didn't ship them in on a big old boat. The UN didn't forcibly extract them from Europe and plonk them down there against their will. And did this UN plan you speak of not look something like this:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c … e_1947.png

... with an internationally administered Jerusalem?

As it happens the plan was rejected by the Arab League and the Arab leadership inside and outside of Palestine.

When the Brits pulled out by terminating their mandate in light of increasing Zionist terrorism and sectarian violence Zionists created Israel using guns and bombs. There weren't any UN peace keeping troops walking around commiserating the indigenous population. Israel declared independence unilaterally, thereby bringing legitimate war on itself by trapping hundreds of thousands of Arabs in a state they wanted no part of and had no right to be compelled to become part of and where it was not incumbent on them to give up everything they owned to facilitate.
Yup... that was the UN plan. If the Security Councle hadn't dropped the ball. As I stated earler in the thread:
While the plan was never implemented, Israel's Declaration of Independence of May 1948 cites the UN resolution among the items recognizing the right of the Jewish People to establish a state.

I never said The West Bank had been handed back. I did say it was a mess. (see Oslo Accords)
And yes, I have been there..... three times as a "Blue Beret" with no axe to grind.
2009-06-06 17:22:30
Little BaBy JESUS
m8
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M.O.A.B wrote:

USM has a point, the Arabs tried to wipe out all of the Israelis, made a serious miscalculation and paid the price for it.

I blame religion for a lot of it, Muslims vs Jews, seems to be a recurring scenario that.
This isn't so much about religion as it is about land.

As for the Arabs trying to wipe out the Israelis... What would you have them do? just let their land be taken?

The UN just declared that Palestine was going to be divided (although that was never implemented), without consulting the Palestinians. England promised Palestine a free state if they help fight the Turks during WWI. Then half their land was taken away and given to a group of people that say they deserved it because thousands of years ago it was given to them by "god".

Hmmm i'm sure if the Native Americans came waltzing back and said "actually god gave us this land so your going to have to fuck off" you;d all be so pleased.

[Note: This isn't a direct attack at you MOAB, also I didn't read the rest of the thread cuz i'm lazy]

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2009-06-06 17:23:45
CameronPoe
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Karbin wrote:

Yup... that was the UN plan. If the Security Councle hadn't dropped the ball. As I stated earler in the thread:
While the plan was never implemented, Israel's Declaration of Independence of May 1948 cites the UN resolution among the items recognizing the right of the Jewish People to establish a state.

I never said The West Bank had been handed back. I did say it was a mess. (see Oslo Accords)
And yes, I have been there..... three times as a "Blue Beret" with no axe to grind.
It may cite the resolution, but ultimately it was meaningless claptrap out of what everyone knows to be a largely pointless talkshop whose main role is to lend some semblance of 'legitimacy' to wars, invasions and embargoes. It had no moral right. How some ambassador from New Zealand has a right to vote on the fate of somebody in Palestine is beyond me.

lowing said the West Bank had been handed back. Sorry.
2009-06-06 17:26:00
oug
Calmer than you are.
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Harmor wrote:

Why should we allow Palestinians to have their own state if half their government are terrorists who indiscriminately send rockets into civilian areas of Israel?

Whose people support suicide bomber killing dozens of civilians at a time?

Whose people support these war crimes?



Why?  Am I missing something here?  Shouldn't we expect the Palestinians to moderate first before we ever concede anything to them?

Why do Palestinians deserve a state?
Yes you are missing something. The truth. I suggest you study the history of the situation from an unbiased source if you can find one.

usmarine wrote:

arabs tried to fight israel.  they lost.  now they want the land back?  fuck off.  dont pick a fight next time.
Who picked a fight again marine? Spare us your bias next time.
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