Harmor
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Why should we allow Palestinians to have their own state if half their government are terrorists who indiscriminately send rockets into civilian areas of Israel?

Whose people support suicide bomber killing dozens of civilians at a time?

Whose people support these war crimes?



Why?  Am I missing something here?  Shouldn't we expect the Palestinians to moderate first before we ever concede anything to them?

Why do Palestinians deserve a state?
AussieReaper
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Harmor wrote:

Why should we allow Palestinians to have their own state if half their government are terrorists who indiscriminately send rockets into civilian areas of Israel?

Whose people support suicide bomber killing dozens of civilians at a time?

Whose people support these war crimes?



Why?  Am I missing something here?  Shouldn't we expect the Palestinians to moderate first before we ever concede anything to them?

Why do Palestinians deserve a state?
Why?

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/03/Palestine_Map_2007_(Settlements).gif

Why don't they deserve a state? Do the Israeli's have right to land which was never part of the '49 Armistice or the '47 UN plan?

https://www.teeth.com.pk/blog/wp-content/uploads/2006/06/israel-palestine%20map.jpg

Palestinians aren't going to have a state much longer at this rate...

Last edited by AussieReaper (2009-06-06 08:33:48)

https://i.imgur.com/maVpUMN.png
Turquoise
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You could ask the same things of Israel....

Some of what Israel does could be described as war crimes or human rights abuses.

The problem is that both sides do awful things to each other, which means that continual revenge is inevitable.
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arabs tried to fight israel.  they lost.  now they want the land back?  fuck off.  dont pick a fight next time.
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Why can't an arab live next door to a jew?  If these people could understand separation of church and state, there'd be no need for a two state solution, but it seems increasingly likely that everyone in the middle east is a moron
Harmor
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AussieReaper wrote:

Why?
https://img197.imageshack.us/img197/5537/22258480138ae4040237o.jpg
FatherTed
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and that map proves what? ffs lol

oh hey ... holland for example. we just seized most your land, but since most of the west is mostly catholic, you can just fuck off there
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AussieReaper
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Harmor wrote:

AussieReaper wrote:

Why?
https://img197.imageshack.us/img197/5537/22258480138ae4040237o.jpg
Only one is Palestinian.

hint: it's yellow.
https://i.imgur.com/maVpUMN.png
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They do, Syria.
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Harmor wrote:

AussieReaper wrote:

Why?
http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/5537 … 40237o.jpg
Armenia is a christian country. Pretty sure the ones above Afghanistan aren't Muslims either.
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Kmarion wrote:

They do, Syria.
/thread
CameronPoe
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Harmor wrote:

Why should we allow Palestinians to have their own state if half their government are terrorists who indiscriminately send rockets into civilian areas of Israel?

Whose people support suicide bomber killing dozens of civilians at a time?

Whose people support these war crimes?



Why?  Am I missing something here?  Shouldn't we expect the Palestinians to moderate first before we ever concede anything to them?

Why do Palestinians deserve a state?
lol.

The reason Palestinians lash out in such a manner is exactly because they don't have a state and Israeli occupation is perpetuating a spiral of poverty and misery in their homeland. Israel took everything they have today from Palestinians. Israel are the primary cunts here, never forget that. Israel have brought this on themselves.

/discussion

Perhaps my response should be 'Why does such a retarded OP deserve a response?'.

Last edited by CameronPoe (2009-06-06 09:51:30)

CameronPoe
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Harmor wrote:

AussieReaper wrote:

Why?
http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/5537 … 40237o.jpg
Hey red headed people do not have a designated homeland either. Can we have Arizona? There's plenty of America to go around...
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During the early 1940s, against the backdrop of the Holocaust and official British deliberations about a postwar solution to the Palestine problem based on partition, all understood (as had the Peel Commission) that any partition not accompanied by a transfer of Arabs out of the territory of the Jewish-state-to-be would be unstable or pointless, as the large Arab minority, if left in place, would be disloyal and rebellious, and would inevitably enjoy the support of the surrounding Arab world. Such a settlement would solve nothing. British officials and Arab heads of state (who, of course, feared to state these views in public) shared this view. That is why the British Labour Party Executive in 1944 supported partition accompanied by transfer, and that is why Jordan's Emir Abdullah and Iraq's prime minister Nuri Said, among other Arab statesmen, supported such a population transfer if Palestine was to be partitioned.
CameronPoe
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Karbin wrote:

During the early 1940s, against the backdrop of the Holocaust and official British deliberations about a postwar solution to the Palestine problem based on partition, all understood (as had the Peel Commission) that any partition not accompanied by a transfer of Arabs out of the territory of the Jewish-state-to-be would be unstable or pointless, as the large Arab minority, if left in place, would be disloyal and rebellious, and would inevitably enjoy the support of the surrounding Arab world. Such a settlement would solve nothing. British officials and Arab heads of state (who, of course, feared to state these views in public) shared this view. That is why the British Labour Party Executive in 1944 supported partition accompanied by transfer, and that is why Jordan's Emir Abdullah and Iraq's prime minister Nuri Said, among other Arab statesmen, supported such a population transfer if Palestine was to be partitioned.
Anybody ask the Palestinians how they felt? lol.
Karbin
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CameronPoe wrote:

Karbin wrote:

During the early 1940s, against the backdrop of the Holocaust and official British deliberations about a postwar solution to the Palestine problem based on partition, all understood (as had the Peel Commission) that any partition not accompanied by a transfer of Arabs out of the territory of the Jewish-state-to-be would be unstable or pointless, as the large Arab minority, if left in place, would be disloyal and rebellious, and would inevitably enjoy the support of the surrounding Arab world. Such a settlement would solve nothing. British officials and Arab heads of state (who, of course, feared to state these views in public) shared this view. That is why the British Labour Party Executive in 1944 supported partition accompanied by transfer, and that is why Jordan's Emir Abdullah and Iraq's prime minister Nuri Said, among other Arab statesmen, supported such a population transfer if Palestine was to be partitioned.
Anybody ask the Palestinians how they felt? lol.
, Yosef Weitz wrote in October 1948: "The migration of the Arabs from the Land of Israel was not caused by persecution, violence, expulsion [but was] deliberately organised by the Arab leaders in order to arouse Arab feelings of revenge, to artificially create an Arab refugee problem." Israeli historian Efraim Karsh wrote, "The logic behind this policy was apparently that 'the absence of women and children from Palestine would free the men for fighting', as the Secretary-General of the Arab League, Abd al-Rahman Azzam put it." In his book, The Arab-Israeli Conflict: The Palestine War 1948, Karsh cited the substantial, active role the Arab Higher Committee played in the exoduses from Haifa, Tiberias, and Jaffa as an important part of understanding what he called the "birth of the Palestinian refugee problem."[

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dude copy and pasting...
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CameronPoe
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Karbin wrote:

, Yosef Weitz wrote in October 1948: "The migration of the Arabs from the Land of Israel was not caused by persecution, violence, expulsion [but was] deliberately organised by the Arab leaders in order to arouse Arab feelings of revenge, to artificially create an Arab refugee problem." Israeli historian Efraim Karsh wrote, "The logic behind this policy was apparently that 'the absence of women and children from Palestine would free the men for fighting', as the Secretary-General of the Arab League, Abd al-Rahman Azzam put it." In his book, The Arab-Israeli Conflict: The Palestine War 1948, Karsh cited the substantial, active role the Arab Higher Committee played in the exoduses from Haifa, Tiberias, and Jaffa as an important part of understanding what he called the "birth of the Palestinian refugee problem."
Oh that's ok. So people flee an oncoming army that dispossesses them of all they own and know and that's ok? lol.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deir_Yassin_massacre
Turquoise
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Considering how a lot of terrorism is done by unmarried young men in Muslim societies (and the psychology of terror is generally more effective at controlling men in these circumstances), this sort of plot would make sense if the goal was insurgency.
Karbin
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CameronPoe wrote:

Karbin wrote:

, Yosef Weitz wrote in October 1948: "The migration of the Arabs from the Land of Israel was not caused by persecution, violence, expulsion [but was] deliberately organised by the Arab leaders in order to arouse Arab feelings of revenge, to artificially create an Arab refugee problem." Israeli historian Efraim Karsh wrote, "The logic behind this policy was apparently that 'the absence of women and children from Palestine would free the men for fighting', as the Secretary-General of the Arab League, Abd al-Rahman Azzam put it." In his book, The Arab-Israeli Conflict: The Palestine War 1948, Karsh cited the substantial, active role the Arab Higher Committee played in the exoduses from Haifa, Tiberias, and Jaffa as an important part of understanding what he called the "birth of the Palestinian refugee problem."
Oh that's ok. So people flee an oncoming army that dispossesses them of all they own and know and that's ok? lol.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deir_Yassin_massacre
Former Prime Minister of Syria Khalid al-Azm recalled in his memoirs:

Since 1948 it is we who demanded the return of the refugees to their country, while it is we who made them leave it.
We brought disaster upon one million Arab refugees, by inviting them and bringing pressure to bear upon them to leave their land, their homes, their work and their industry. We have rendered them dispossessed, unemployed, whilst every one of them had work or a trade by which he could gain his livelihood.

The point is that they were TOLD to leave by their leadership. The Israeli forces pushed this along.

BOTH sides are responsible, BOTH sides have to own up to it.  BOTH sides refuse to, and cling to their storys that the other side is responsible.

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you gotta reference if your lifting chunks of text.
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CameronPoe wrote:

Harmor wrote:

Why should we allow Palestinians to have their own state if half their government are terrorists who indiscriminately send rockets into civilian areas of Israel?

Whose people support suicide bomber killing dozens of civilians at a time?

Whose people support these war crimes?



Why?  Am I missing something here?  Shouldn't we expect the Palestinians to moderate first before we ever concede anything to them?

Why do Palestinians deserve a state?
lol.

The reason Palestinians lash out in such a manner is exactly because they don't have a state and Israeli occupation is perpetuating a spiral of poverty and misery in their homeland. Israel took everything they have today from Palestinians. Israel are the primary cunts here, never forget that. Israel have brought this on themselves.

/discussion

Perhaps my response should be 'Why does such a retarded OP deserve a response?'.
This statement contains significant inaccuracies. It is incorrect to say that "Israel took everything they have today from Palestinians." The Israelis purchased land in Palestine from Arabs throughout the first half of the 20th century. Although Israelis did force some Arabs to leave after the Arab armies attacked in 1948, the purchased land was clearly not "taken".

There is also little basis for saying that Hamas lashes out because they don't have a state. Hamas itself has stated otherwise. They say they "lash out" because God wants them to get rid of Israel. Giving them a state won't end their quest.

Europe is the primary cunts here, never forget that. They persecuted Jews for nearly 2000 years and made the creation of a Jewish state necessary. European anti-semitism is the ultimate source of the burden being borne by the Palestinian Arabs.
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FatherTed wrote:

you gotta reference if your lifting chunks of text.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_of_ … ian_exodus

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usmarine wrote:

arabs tried to fight israel.  they lost.  now they want the land back?  fuck off.  dont pick a fight next time.
So Russia and Germany should still control Poland?
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usmarine wrote:

arabs tried to fight israel.  they lost.  now they want the land back?  fuck off.  dont pick a fight next time.
Mhm... note how none of the Arabs gives a shit about Palestine either.

Why does Palestine deserve a state? How about it's their land? They've been there for centuries. What they have now can't even be called a state any more. It's like one big concentration camp - way to reverse things, Israel.

The mere fact that you showed a bunch of countries that are east of us, not even caring if their Muslim or not shows your ignorance as to the reason for an existence of a country. The Jews did not need their own country. Muslims don't have their own countries. That's not how it works. The way it works is that a lot of people who believe in similar values and have a sense of belonging come together. Religion may impact the former, but usually you don't go "I'm going to start a Scientologist country because there isn't one already".

And I couldn't care less about the promised land stuff. It's the promised land for every religion in the area...

-kon

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