ATG
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Holy cow.

This is powerful stuff. I have read no words of greater truth in American media.

The proud American will go down into his slavery with out a fight, beating his chest and proclaiming to the world, how free he really is.
some_random_panda
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ATG wrote:

Holy cow.

This is powerful stuff. I have read no words of greater truth in American media.

The proud American will go down into his slavery with out a fight, beating his chest and proclaiming to the world, how free he really is.
Are you sure that's American?

Didn't read in detail, btw.
KEN-JENNINGS
I am all that is MOD!
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Pravda reprinting a Russian's blog is American media now?  Holy cow indeed.

That being said, interesting and somewhat apt commentary.  I don't have the time to give a detailed response but perhaps the weak masses here will be gifted with a more thought out response by me in due time.
Harmor
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Pravda makes MSNBC look like Fox News.
ATG
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Jesus.

I meant that I read no words of truth like this in American media.
Diesel_dyk
Object in mirror will feel larger than it appears
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The article is a bit trashy but this

Obama --> "His spending and money printing has been a record setting, not just in America's short history but in the world. If this keeps up for more then another year, and there is no sign that it will not, America at best will resemble the Wiemar Republic and at worst Zimbabwe." I would say is alarmist but more than within the rhelm of possibility.

And this "They care more for their "right" to choke down a McDonalds burger or a BurgerKing burger than for their constitutional rights." = qft

But I wouldn't say we are headed for Marxism, we headed for a system more like the corrupt Oligarch system that Putin oversees... But if I were a blogger in Russia I wouldn't say that now would.... Oh gotta go they're here, damn that was fast.... and I didn't even hit send yet?!
usmarine
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man there is nothing like an article with hot chicks and georgian rebels flanking the text to really give it credibility.  terrible article btw.
Flecco
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Diesel_dyk wrote:

The article is a bit trashy but this

Obama --> "His spending and money printing has been a record setting, not just in America's short history but in the world. If this keeps up for more then another year, and there is no sign that it will not, America at best will resemble the Wiemar Republic and at worst Zimbabwe." I would say is alarmist but more than within the rhelm of possibility.

And this "They care more for their "right" to choke down a McDonalds burger or a BurgerKing burger than for their constitutional rights." = qft

But I wouldn't say we are headed for Marxism, we headed for a system more like the corrupt Oligarch system that Putin oversees... But if I were a blogger in Russia I wouldn't say that now would.... Oh gotta go they're here, damn that was fast.... and I didn't even hit send yet?!
Oligarchs had far more control before Putin rather than after. He actually destroyed/exiled the ones who put him in power.
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Diesel_dyk
Object in mirror will feel larger than it appears
+178|6295|Truthistan

Flecco wrote:

Diesel_dyk wrote:

The article is a bit trashy but this

Obama --> "His spending and money printing has been a record setting, not just in America's short history but in the world. If this keeps up for more then another year, and there is no sign that it will not, America at best will resemble the Wiemar Republic and at worst Zimbabwe." I would say is alarmist but more than within the rhelm of possibility.

And this "They care more for their "right" to choke down a McDonalds burger or a BurgerKing burger than for their constitutional rights." = qft

But I wouldn't say we are headed for Marxism, we headed for a system more like the corrupt Oligarch system that Putin oversees... But if I were a blogger in Russia I wouldn't say that now would.... Oh gotta go they're here, damn that was fast.... and I didn't even hit send yet?!
Oligarchs had far more control before Putin rather than after. He actually destroyed/exiled the ones who put him in power.
True, but didn't Putin replace the Oligarchs with himself. Right now he is the puppet master in Russia. Aren't reporters and others who try to expose Putin turning up dead, drive by assassinations? IMO Putin's purge was more of an Oligarch power struggle with Putin coming out on top and in control of Russia's oil. 

Like I said I wouldn't say the US is headed for Marxism, it looks more like the consolidation of industrial power in the hands of a favored few large companies, like Goldman Sachs. The govt is facilitating this move by taking up ownership within companies like GM and AIG and controlling the boards of others. My only question is who exactly are the American Oligarchs?

The flip side of the argument is that the govt is simply buying large interests in these companies to keep them from being bought out by foreign interests for pennies on the dollar. In other words a system of nationalization to prevent foreign takeovers because as the dollar devalues there is a good chance that the world will strip the US back to an agrarian economy and the idiot speculators on Wall Street are all to happy to facilitate the strip down of the American economy.... See, not Marxism, but a govt program of nationalization to protect the core of the American economy from a really destructive form of capitalism.

Last edited by Diesel_dyk (2009-05-30 10:33:01)

Flecco
iPod is broken.
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Putin isn't from big business though. Sure he's replaced the power-base but I'm not sure he's as self-serving as the Oligarchs were.


Though the links between the current government and Gazprom do raise the eyebrows just a little.
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