I am glad the govt is deciding what's best for me... one less thing to think about...
Love is the answer
So peons will have to learn to take the bus.I still park my car (as do millions apon millions of other people) on the street,
Its no biggy.
Русский военный корабль, иди на хуй!
Here's a good article on this one:Spark wrote:
That's pretty badly wrong. Wastage in generation is less than 1%, and if 40% is wasted in transmission then you need to get yourself some new transformers (which have a similar wastage - about 1%) because they aren't working at all.Harmor wrote:
40% of the energy to your outlet is wasted in as its transmitted to your house. 50% of the energy in the United States is from Coal.
I don't know if you count the fact that electric vehicles' batteries affects on the environment (i.e. caustic materials like "lead-acid batteries" or "lithium-thionyl chloride" cells).
If you could generate electricity at your home, say from solar panels, then this would be worth it.
Honestly Hydrogen-fuel celled vehicles would had been best, but Obama killed funding for that.
Lead batteries are subject to the most comprehensive recycling processes in the world. The second cell is the lithium button cell - what you have in your TV remote. Not precisely the most widespread thing in the world... if you're talking about hybrid batteries, then you want to be looking at nickel-manganese. Manganese is pretty well harmless, can't say the same for nickel.
Hydrogen-fuelled cells are fairly impractical right now. Where and how are you going to get the hydrogen? The only viable solution is wind-powered electrolysis, but then you have to get round the storage (you can't store a fuel as gas, and hydrogen doesn't liquefy 'til a few degrees about absolute zero) and transportation (ever seen a demonstration of a hydrogen gas bomb? Burning enough hydrogen to produce one drop of water will blow up anything in the closest proximity and produce a noise louder than a gunshot - put it this way. we had to stand 40m back so we didn't get by shrapnel from the container). Plus, if you had that much windpower, wouldn't it be more practical just to use it as power, not as a fuel source? The less energy transformations you have, the better.
http://www.wired.com/science/discoverie … 4/gp_intro
Also note the links on the left of the page...
I thought of something today:
I'll be more than doubling my average mpg. This means I'll be able to afford to drive twice as much.
Isn't that great?
I hope they thought this all through...
I'll be more than doubling my average mpg. This means I'll be able to afford to drive twice as much.
Isn't that great?
I hope they thought this all through...
CAFE standards have been a huge success over the years... lol
http://cei.org/gencon/019,02156.cfm
http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/2009/05/ … standards/
Cafe...best case scenario... almost as good as the free market...
http://cei.org/gencon/019,02156.cfm
http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/2009/05/ … standards/
Cafe...best case scenario... almost as good as the free market...
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Love is the answer
...except for the fact that because our standards have been looser than most other countries, we get hit harder when fuel prices rise because our vehicles get worse fuel mileage than in places like Europe.[TUF]Catbox wrote:
CAFE standards have been a huge success over the years... lol
http://cei.org/gencon/019,02156.cfm
http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/2009/05/ … standards/
Cafe...best case scenario... almost as good as the free market...
My vehicle gets only 8 mpg, but with all the gas savings by others -I'll be able to drive more too... Not that I curtailed to begin with. Mabye I'll just let her warm up in idle a few minutes longer than I all ready do... Or I may drive around with the top off and AC on -through wetlands. Meh, can't make up my mind -I'll do both.Pug wrote:
I thought of something today:
I'll be more than doubling my average mpg. This means I'll be able to afford to drive twice as much.
Isn't that great?
I hope they thought this all through...
I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something. - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.
Get a real source.[TUF]Catbox wrote:
CAFE standards have been a huge success over the years... lol
http://cei.org/gencon/019,02156.cfm
http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/2009/05/ … standards/
Cafe...best case scenario... almost as good as the free market...
CEI?! Would you believe me if I quoted from the WWF or Greenpeace?
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
Great! that means I can buy that 2010 Camaro now!
http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2012/0 … le-driven/13rin wrote:
This is paving the way for a pay by the mile tax... Bet me.{M5}Sniper3 wrote:
Yey! New CAFE standards, now we get less safe cars and higher gas taxes! Whoopie!
I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something. - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.
Honestly, that's how roads should be paid for anyway. People who drive a lot put more wear and tear on the roads than people who do not.13rin wrote:
http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2012/0 … le-driven/13rin wrote:
This is paving the way for a pay by the mile tax... Bet me.{M5}Sniper3 wrote:
Yey! New CAFE standards, now we get less safe cars and higher gas taxes! Whoopie!
However, it should not be used as a behavior modification tool. The taxes should reflect actual maintenance and building costs, not subsidize mass transit or any other bullshit. That won't happen though.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
Still waiting.FatherTed three years ago wrote:
resevring this for when im sober enough to answerDilbert_X wrote:
Electric cars can make use of overnight electriciticy production - when the grid is underutilised, also keeps power stations running at higher efficiency when they would otherwise just be ticking over.
Hydrogen is not simple to store, there are efficiency costs in compressing and cooling it.
Its definitely not as simple as electrolyse water, store hydrogen, run through fuel cell, use electricity to drive car. There are big efficiency losses and technological leaps still to be made.
Hydrogen from natural gas is not a long term option - its substantially less efficient than just burning the gas in a standard IC engine - although potentially the CO2 could be captured and stored, not that we have a viable storage technology on the horizon for that either.
It is being used currently as a stepping stone to kickstart the hydrogen economy, not as a solution by itself.
If hydrogen really is going to be the solution it still needs to be made by some means and transported to the consumer.
The energy density is relatively low so its unlikely it would be transported significantly. More likely it would be electrolysed locally, relying on electricity from conventional or nuclear plants.
I still don't see the reason to move away from electric, except for high duty vehicles. Most people manage to keep their cellphones charged, a bit of consumer retraining is required, thats all.
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He's Irish.
hahah just read this. 3 years ago13rin wrote:
No... Seriously, you are 100% right. Fuck the world, USA #1. We consume the most oil. I'm not sorry for it either. There is a reason for this fact. We also kick the most ass. We live high and mighty right? A privileged lifestyle. And we also do the most good. They look to the US. So jealous. They are. Don't feel guilty. As much as they hate us, they all want to be like the US. We are consumers. Consume. Seriously, why wouldn't you what to be like the US? We are the bad asses.Man With No Name wrote:
fuck the world, USA #1
Oh, but no... waaaa. I'm sorry Europe for "Carbon", and "kicking so much ass"... We must weaken our live to suite the rest of the ingrates in the world....
13rin wrote:
We are the asses
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Man With No Name wrote:
fuck the world, USA #1
Tu Stultus Es
I know Americans are terrible at geography and all, but the USA is part of said world.
your mom is terrible at blow jobs
Tu Stultus Es
That is actually a really thought provoking point that I had not considered... The whole peak/off-peak electrical grid is just catching on here. The electric company here just started a push toward "smart hours" where electricity costs up to 10 times as much from 2pm-7pm, but is damn near free from 7pm-2pm.Dilbert_X wrote:
Electric cars can make use of overnight electriciticy production - when the grid is underutilised, also keeps power stations running at higher efficiency when they would otherwise just be ticking over.
1) gov't gives you tax break for buying a hybridFatherTed wrote:
TimesOnline wrote:
America's love affair with gas-guzzling vehicles
2) you buy a hybrid for a bit more money than you would've spent on a non-hybrid
3) gov't intruduces new charge on hybrids because you aren't paying enough gas tax
4) ...
5) profit in the red
Hybrids are fun to drive. The electric motor gives a ton of acceleration off the line.RTHKI wrote:
half the hybrid drivers dont drive correctly anyway
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
that shit is funnyPrivateVendetta wrote:
hahah just read this. 3 years ago13rin wrote:
No... Seriously, you are 100% right. Fuck the world, USA #1. We consume the most oil. I'm not sorry for it either. There is a reason for this fact. We also kick the most ass. We live high and mighty right? A privileged lifestyle. And we also do the most good. They look to the US. So jealous. They are. Don't feel guilty. As much as they hate us, they all want to be like the US. We are consumers. Consume. Seriously, why wouldn't you what to be like the US? We are the bad asses.Man With No Name wrote:
fuck the world, USA #1
Oh, but no... waaaa. I'm sorry Europe for "Carbon", and "kicking so much ass"... We must weaken our live to suite the rest of the ingrates in the world....
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going 80 on the highway in a prius lolJay wrote:
Hybrids are fun to drive. The electric motor gives a ton of acceleration off the line.RTHKI wrote:
half the hybrid drivers dont drive correctly anyway
freeway
Tu Stultus Es