lol...okDilbert_X wrote:
Not even close, the US ran the whole thing.usm wrote:
saudi and paki were way bigger players than the US imo.
All we can do is /facepalmusmarine wrote:
lol...okDilbert_X wrote:
Not even close, the US ran the whole thing.usm wrote:
saudi and paki were way bigger players than the US imo.
I'm with Marine.
After a short while the CIA mostly stepped back. Still funded the Northern Alliance as much as they could with all the Pakistani interference but the majority of the funds started going to the more fundamentalist groups within the Mujahedeen that were operating in Afghanistan (sp?).
After a short while the CIA mostly stepped back. Still funded the Northern Alliance as much as they could with all the Pakistani interference but the majority of the funds started going to the more fundamentalist groups within the Mujahedeen that were operating in Afghanistan (sp?).
Whoa... Can't believe these forums are still kicking.
OH MY GODDilbert_X wrote:
Not even close, the US ran the whole thing.usm wrote:
saudi and paki were way bigger players than the US imo.
you are stoopid
ya....and people actually listen to dogbert. quite sad tbh.Man With No Name wrote:
OH MY GODDilbert_X wrote:
Not even close, the US ran the whole thing.usm wrote:
saudi and paki were way bigger players than the US imo.
you are stoopid
Up to the Russian defeat they were largely funded, armed etc by the US.
Without the US they would probably still be armed with .303 rifles, not Stingers etc. Saudi money and Pakistani involvement couldn't have defeated the Russians alone.
After that point US involvement pretty much ceased, which was doubly stupid and left Afghanistan wide open for the mullahs.
Without the US they would probably still be armed with .303 rifles, not Stingers etc. Saudi money and Pakistani involvement couldn't have defeated the Russians alone.
After that point US involvement pretty much ceased, which was doubly stupid and left Afghanistan wide open for the mullahs.
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yeah, I saw charlie wilson's war too.
Facts:
The effectiveness of stingers was a myth.
the ISI pretty much ran the whole show and decided who got what and how much.
bin laden never recieved money from US sources.
Facts:
The effectiveness of stingers was a myth.
the ISI pretty much ran the whole show and decided who got what and how much.
bin laden never recieved money from US sources.
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lolMan With No Name wrote:
yeah, I saw charlie wilson's war too.
the ISI pretty much ran the whole show and decided who got what and how much.
I see, you were in the ISI were you?bin laden never recieved money from US sources.
With U$3.6Billion paid over I bet he got a hershey bar at least
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cyclone
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oh snap GS you got wiki'dDilbert_X wrote:
the ISI pretty much ran the whole show and decided who got what and how much.I see, you were in the ISI were you?bin laden never recieved money from US sources.
With U$3.6Billion paid over I bet he got a hershey bar at least
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cyclone
Still waiting for GS to tell us where every one of those dollars went.
Pretty sure some of it bought flight training
Pretty sure some of it bought flight training
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its his bed time dogbert. i dont think he is going to stay up to listen to your jibba jabba.Dilbert_X wrote:
Still waiting for GS to tell us where every one of those dollars went.
Pretty sure some of it bought flight training
No he didn't.Dilbert_X wrote:
the ISI pretty much ran the whole show and decided who got what and how much.I see, you were in the ISI were you?bin laden never recieved money from US sources.
With U$3.6Billion paid over I bet he got a hershey bar at least
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cyclone
He did receive extensive funding from Saudi Arabia and the Saudi GIP (think that's them) who channeled it toward Wahhabi extremists, as opposed to the ISI who just pocketed the majority; and promised to match US funding dollar for dollar.
Oddly enough one of the USA's strategic advisers fairly close to the ground wanted to keep the Afghans using the .303 rifles. Mostly because they were far more effective both economically and militarily for the guerrillas to use.
Whoa... Can't believe these forums are still kicking.
I was referring to the Afghan Mujahideen, the Taleban and AQ together, not just Bin Laden.
The overthrow of the Russians being the kickoff for effective islamic guerrila action - funded largely by the Americans and without whom its doubtful it would have succeeded since the US played the central role.
The overthrow of the Russians being the kickoff for effective islamic guerrila action - funded largely by the Americans and without whom its doubtful it would have succeeded since the US played the central role.
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dude the saudis matched the US dollar for dollar. get a clue man.
Source: Ghost Wars by Steve Coll.usmarine wrote:
dude the saudis matched the US dollar for dollar. get a clue man.
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and most of the money went to the paki intel...and they decided who to give the money to. although the US and saudi intel began not to trust them too much and tried to cut out the middle man sometimes.
Yes we know that, the Saudis didn't have the wherewithal to coordinate weapons shipments with the Egyptians, Israelis, Pakistanis, Americans, etc now did they?
Without the US providing half the funding and the pivot.
And from your own statement - the Saudis MATCHED the US.
Without the US there would have been no Saudi money.
Awesome, you defeated your own argument AGAIN
Without the US providing half the funding and the pivot.
And from your own statement - the Saudis MATCHED the US.
Without the US there would have been no Saudi money.
Awesome, you defeated your own argument AGAIN
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no i didnt fatty. the US cannot be the major player as YOU stated if they are matched dollar for dollar. dipshit.Dilbert_X wrote:
Yes we know that, the Saudis didn't have the wherewithal to coordinate weapons shipments with the Egyptians, Israelis, Pakistanis, Americans, etc now did they?
Without the US providing half the funding and the pivot.
And from your own statement - the Saudis MATCHED the US.
Without the US there would have been no Saudi money.
Awesome, you defeated your own argument AGAIN
erm....thats one of them yes.Flecco wrote:
Source: Ghost Wars by Steve Coll.usmarine wrote:
dude the saudis matched the US dollar for dollar. get a clue man.
I was thinking Dilbert would ask for a source seeing as we weren't providing them. Everybody else does it on here. 'zamfgsourcesnow' 'ololol fox news is biased' 'lel bbc is biased' etc etcusmarine wrote:
erm....thats one of them yes.Flecco wrote:
Source: Ghost Wars by Steve Coll.usmarine wrote:
dude the saudis matched the US dollar for dollar. get a clue man.
Whoa... Can't believe these forums are still kicking.
i understand.....and its dogbertFlecco wrote:
I was thinking Dilbert would ask for a source seeing as we weren't providing them. Everybody else does it on here. 'zamfgsourcesnow' 'ololol fox news is biased' 'lel bbc is biased' etc etcusmarine wrote:
erm....thats one of them yes.Flecco wrote:
Source: Ghost Wars by Steve Coll.
Duh, its not that complex.the US cannot be the major player as YOU stated if they are matched dollar for dollar.
The US provides funding, Saudi matches it, that makes them even - except the US set up the deal - so they have the initiative and the major role.
So the US is the major player - simple enough?
Furthermore, the US also engaged in a deal of behind the scenes arm-twisting, leveraging, coordination, planning etc while the Saudis sat back and just provided cash.
Again, the Saudis are the minor partner, the US the major partner - got it now?
Here's an example you might understand.
A guy decides to rob a bank, he plans it, sources the guns, getaway car, balaclavas, stripey shirts, bags marked 'SWAG'.
His friend goes along for the ride.
Who do you suppose is the major partner and gets the longer sentence.
No point, usm doesn't have any. GS even less.I was thinking Dilbert would ask for a source seeing as we weren't providing them.
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actually the pakis were the major player....
but, you know everything so have fun.
but, you know everything so have fun.