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2009-05-19 20:52:10
nickb64
formerly from OC (it's EXACTLY like on tv)[truth]
+77|5850|Greatest Nation on Earth(USA)

DBBrinson1 wrote:

Man With No Name wrote:

fuck the world, USA #1
No... Seriously, you are 100% right.  Fuck the world, USA #1.  We consume the most oil.  I'm not sorry for it either.  There is a reason for this fact.  We also kick the most ass.  We live high and mighty right?  A privileged lifestyle.   And we also do the most good.  They look to the US.   So jealous.  They are.  Don't feel guilty.  As much as they hate us, they all want to be like the US.  We are consumers.  Consume.  Seriously, why wouldn't you what to be like the US?  We are the bad asses.

Oh, but no... waaaa. I'm sorry Europe for "Carbon", and "kicking so much ass"...  We must weaken our live to suite the rest of the ingrates in the world....
We defend about half the world. When the shit hits the fan, we tend to get to try to deal with it.

We also have the technological ability to use more resources than many undeveloped countries and countries that are dictatorships which do not want to allow their people to advance themselves.

EDIT: Environmentalists want us to make our country poorer to make those who are repressed by their society richer.

Last edited by nickb64 (2009-05-19 20:53:23)

2009-05-19 22:58:20
unnamednewbie13
Moderator
+2,053|7011|PNW

Ottomania wrote:

people dont die because of small and efficient cars, they die because of reckless driving.
Guns don't kill people, people do.

I agree with your logic. However, I do like to try and protect myself against reckless driving by making sure whatever vehicle I purchase has decent survivability.
2009-05-19 23:07:31
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6840|132 and Bush

Saudi Sauce is toxic.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
2009-05-19 23:12:37
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6768|Global Command

Kmarion wrote:

Saudi Sauce is toxic.
Here is a possible cure.
2009-05-19 23:25:17
Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|6914|Canberra, AUS

ATG wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Saudi Sauce is toxic.
Here is a possible cure.
Um?

We defend about half the world. When the shit hits the fan, we tend to get to try to deal with it.

We also have the technological ability to use more resources than many undeveloped countries and countries that are dictatorships which do not want to allow their people to advance themselves.
Sheer irrelevance.

You also have the ability to blow the world up, does that mean you should do so? (and if the answer to the question is yes then kindly take a drive over your nearest cliff)

EDIT: Environmentalists want us to make our country poorer to make those who are repressed by their society richer.
And that is unjustifiable slander. Wow, you're doing well at making shit up.

Sigh.

I really appreciate it, peeps, really do. Nice to know you give a fuck about your kids, and the world they'll have to fix (regardless of whether this problem is neutralized or not).

EDIT: Oh yeah, and nick? Your claims are based on 20 year old evidence according to the source. Yeah, alright.

Last edited by Spark (2009-05-19 23:26:14)

The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
2009-05-19 23:33:15
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6768|Global Command
Governments make tax money on oil and gasoline.
With the air-powered car in my link above there could be billions in lost tax revenue.

I honestly think that we are still using oil because it is a cash cow for both the oil producers and the governments who get paid everything a gallon is sold.
2009-05-20 01:00:53
Ottomania
Troll has returned.
+62|6760|Istanbul-Turkey

nickb64 wrote:

People would be safer in a bigger, more heavily constructed car than in a tiny aluminum and plastic box on wheels. Larger cars can take more damage, which would you think would stand up in an accident better, a SmartCar or a 1964 Chevy Impala???
I dont advise you to buy a smartcar lol. However you shouldnt buy that fuel thirsty monsters too. Global warming has reached to serious levels, you may not care but that is the  fact. And like OP said, fuel resources arent infinite.

It really doesnt make sense to drive SUV on pure tarmac road.

Reputated automobile manufacturers really care for safety in their average sized cars. Read the link below btw.

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

Ottomania wrote:

people dont die because of small and efficient cars, they die because of reckless driving.
Guns don't kill people, people do.

I agree with your logic. However, I do like to try and protect myself against reckless driving by making sure whatever vehicle I purchase has decent survivability.
Bigger cars just "pretend" to be safer :

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m … _98469838/

"The argument that lowering the weight of cars to achieve high fuel economy has resulted in excess deaths is unfounded," says Tom Wenzel of Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory, coauthor of the report with physicist Marc Ross of the University of Michigan. "Safety is a challenging concept. It includes the design of the car itself, driver demographics and behavior, the kinds of roads, the time of day--a whole host of factors." While highway safety is complex, one thing is clear: A safety-conscious driver need not purchase a vehicle by the pound.--R.M.

Last edited by Ottomania (2009-05-20 01:13:04)

2009-05-20 01:06:43
Flecco
iPod is broken.
+1,048|6904|NT, like Mick Dundee

ATG wrote:

Governments make tax money on oil and gasoline.
With the air-powered car in my link above there could be billions in lost tax revenue.

I honestly think that we are still using oil because it is a cash cow for both the oil producers and the governments who get paid everything a gallon is sold.
They are wising up now. Currently they seem to be chasing patents in alternative energies like crazy so they can turn those into nice cash cows.

Last edited by Flecco (2009-05-20 01:07:57)

Whoa... Can't believe these forums are still kicking.
2009-05-20 02:24:25
BVC
Member
+325|6935
Concerning domestic fuel sales, if governments can't tax those then they will simply tax something else - maybe through an increase in income tax, or sales tax.  In some cases, they won't have to; less money spent on fuel means more money spent on other stuff - all of which attracts tax revenue in one way or another.

The only governments which have something to lose by the loss of oil sales are those governments which gain royalty payments and from the extraction of oil.

Last edited by Pubic (2009-05-20 02:28:01)

2009-05-20 03:57:01
Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|6914|Canberra, AUS
I have grave concerns over the fact that the companies buying most of the patents to new fuel technologies are the same ones that lobbied hardest for the same technologies to be run into the ground.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
2009-05-20 04:49:49
Burwhale
Save the BlobFish!
+136|6462|Brisneyland

nick64 wrote:

People would be safer in a bigger, more heavily constructed car than in a tiny aluminum and plastic box on wheels. Larger cars can take more damage, which would you think would stand up in an accident better, a SmartCar or a 1964 Chevy Impala???
If you look at the facts you may realise that is a pretty stupid statement.

Firstly a 64 Impala weighs about 3460 pounds (1569 kgs).
The modern small family car ( lets compare apples with apples) say a VW Golf weighs 2932 lb (1330 kg). So we are only talking about 200 kgs difference. Not really a great deal these days. Basically a Golf with 3 passengers on board is the same as the Impala. Factor in the Golfs 6 airbags, seat belts. Higher strength steel, crumple zones etc, and the conclusion should be that the golf ( or modern equivalent) would be a better car to crash in any day of the week. Since the Golf handles better than a heavier car, you can avoid accidents better too.

This fuel economy thing is good. I cant see any negatives regarding it.

Last edited by Burwhale (2009-05-20 04:51:45)

2009-05-20 05:04:36
m3thod
All kiiiiiiiiinds of gainz
+2,197|6910|UK

DBBrinson1 wrote:

Man With No Name wrote:

fuck the world, USA #1
No... Seriously, you are 100% right.  Fuck the world, USA #1.  We consume the most oil.  I'm not sorry for it either.  There is a reason for this fact.  We also kick the most ass.  We live high and mighty right?  A privileged lifestyle.   And we also do the most good.  They look to the US.   So jealous.  They are.  Don't feel guilty.  As much as they hate us, they all want to be like the US.  We are consumers.  Consume.  Seriously, why wouldn't you what to be like the US?  We are the bad asses.

Oh, but no... waaaa. I'm sorry Europe for "Carbon", and "kicking so much ass"...  We must weaken our live to suite the rest of the ingrates in the world....
seriously.  wtf.
Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.
2009-05-20 05:08:04
ghettoperson
Member
+1,943|6888

m3thod wrote:

DBBrinson1 wrote:

Man With No Name wrote:

fuck the world, USA #1
No... Seriously, you are 100% right.  Fuck the world, USA #1.  We consume the most oil.  I'm not sorry for it either.  There is a reason for this fact.  We also kick the most ass.  We live high and mighty right?  A privileged lifestyle.   And we also do the most good.  They look to the US.   So jealous.  They are.  Don't feel guilty.  As much as they hate us, they all want to be like the US.  We are consumers.  Consume.  Seriously, why wouldn't you what to be like the US?  We are the bad asses.

Oh, but no... waaaa. I'm sorry Europe for "Carbon", and "kicking so much ass"...  We must weaken our live to suite the rest of the ingrates in the world....
seriously.  wtf.
He has penis issues.
2009-05-20 05:12:29
Cybargs
Moderated
+2,285|6955

nickb64 wrote:

We also have the technological ability to use more resources than many undeveloped countries and countries that are dictatorships which do not want to allow their people to advance themselves.
You mean like the ones US support, mostly in South and Central America?
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2009-05-20 09:11:32
13rin
Member
+977|6718

ghettoperson wrote:

m3thod wrote:

DBBrinson1 wrote:


No... Seriously, you are 100% right.  Fuck the world, USA #1.  We consume the most oil.  I'm not sorry for it either.  There is a reason for this fact.  We also kick the most ass.  We live high and mighty right?  A privileged lifestyle.   And we also do the most good.  They look to the US.   So jealous.  They are.  Don't feel guilty.  As much as they hate us, they all want to be like the US.  We are consumers.  Consume.  Seriously, why wouldn't you what to be like the US?  We are the bad asses.

Oh, but no... waaaa. I'm sorry Europe for "Carbon", and "kicking so much ass"...  We must weaken our live to suite the rest of the ingrates in the world....
seriously.  wtf.
He has penis issues.
Wow great retorts. 

Yes I am seriously USA #1 and wtf part?  The only thing that bothers me is that we (my country) go to foreigners to get das crude.

Penis issues -not really other than wanting to smack you upside the face with mine.
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2009-05-20 15:50:23
Deadmonkiefart
Floccinaucinihilipilificator
+177|6945

nickb64 wrote:

In 1999, USA Today analyzed the link between Corporate Average Fuel Economy(CAFE) standards and traffic deaths: they reported that: "46,000 people have died in crashes they would have survived in bigger, heavier cars...since 1975." That was a decade ago. The Competitive Enterprise Institute examined 1997 traffic fatalities, and they determined that CAFE standards caused between 2,600 and 4,500 additional deaths.

More Americans are killed and maimed each year as a result of CAFE standards than the number of soldiers that have died in Iraq each year.

Are people unimportant???

CAFE standards were designed to reduce US dependence on foreign oil, at the time we imported 20% of our oil,and now we import 60%, so this has not had the desired effect.

Increased fuel efficiency has allowed people to drive more, leading to more Greenhouse Gas emissions.

The weight reduction measure taken to increase fuel economy kill many, while not making a significant impact on the environment, as cars and light trucks are responsible for only 1.5% of human made gas emissions.
OMG lolz!  Noice!
You never hear that statistic on the news!

Last edited by Deadmonkiefart (2009-05-20 15:51:09)

2009-05-20 16:04:59
FatherTed
xD
+3,936|6739|so randum

Deadmonkiefart wrote:

nickb64 wrote:

In 1999, USA Today analyzed the link between Corporate Average Fuel Economy(CAFE) standards and traffic deaths: they reported that: "46,000 people have died in crashes they would have survived in bigger, heavier cars...since 1975." That was a decade ago. The Competitive Enterprise Institute examined 1997 traffic fatalities, and they determined that CAFE standards caused between 2,600 and 4,500 additional deaths.

More Americans are killed and maimed each year as a result of CAFE standards than the number of soldiers that have died in Iraq each year.

Are people unimportant???

CAFE standards were designed to reduce US dependence on foreign oil, at the time we imported 20% of our oil,and now we import 60%, so this has not had the desired effect.

Increased fuel efficiency has allowed people to drive more, leading to more Greenhouse Gas emissions.

The weight reduction measure taken to increase fuel economy kill many, while not making a significant impact on the environment, as cars and light trucks are responsible for only 1.5% of human made gas emissions.
OMG lolz!  Noice!
You never hear that statistic on the news!
Yea, because most of it is sheer bollocks.
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2009-05-20 16:07:14
nickb64
formerly from OC (it's EXACTLY like on tv)[truth]
+77|5850|Greatest Nation on Earth(USA)

DBBrinson1 wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

nickb64 wrote:


Source for 1.5% Statistic: http://www.heritage.org/Research/Energy … BG1458.cfm ctrl+f: 1.5

People would be safer in a bigger, more heavily constructed car than in a tiny aluminum and plastic box on wheels. Larger cars can take more damage, which would you think would stand up in an accident better, a SmartCar or a 1964 Chevy Impala???
The Heritage Foundation is very biased.  You might as well throw the CATO Institute in there as well.
The Heritage Foundation is conservative..

And Obama makes me want one of these as a daily driver even more:

http://www.eurotech-services.com/archiv … tfront.jpg

I'd paint it of course:

concept
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y241/D … /ateam.jpg
You could prbably run that on vegetable oil gotten from a local fast food restaurant.
2009-05-20 16:23:21
m3thod
All kiiiiiiiiinds of gainz
+2,197|6910|UK

DBBrinson1 wrote:

ghettoperson wrote:

m3thod wrote:


seriously.  wtf.
He has penis issues.
Wow great retorts. 

Yes I am seriously USA #1 and wtf part?  The only thing that bothers me is that we (my country) go to foreigners to get das crude.

Penis issues -not really other than wanting to smack you upside the face with mine.
We're the greatest. We're number one.  Suck it.  I like to consume.  I want to spend.  I am a badass.  My guns are bigger than yours.  I'm gay.  We own the world.  We're gratititious fucks.  Our cars own.  Hate me.  But you want me.  We angels in disguse.  We liberated Iraq.  We love penis.  Dont envy me.  I want to smoke if i want too.  You want to be like me.  You want my man boobs.  You want to live here.  I'm in a secret society. Yeah baby.  I want oil.  We eat the most food.  We drink the most beer.    We fuck like rabbits.  You're jealous.  U. G. L. Y. You ain't got no alibi. 

....
Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.
2009-05-20 16:32:53
Uzique
dasein.
+2,865|6710

m3thod wrote:

DBBrinson1 wrote:

ghettoperson wrote:


He has penis issues.
Wow great retorts. 

Yes I am seriously USA #1 and wtf part?  The only thing that bothers me is that we (my country) go to foreigners to get das crude.

Penis issues -not really other than wanting to smack you upside the face with mine.
We're the greatest. We're number one.  Suck it.  I like to consume.  I want to spend.  I am a badass.  My guns are bigger than yours.  I'm gay.  We own the world.  We're gratititious fucks.  Our cars own.  Hate me.  But you want me.  We angels in disguse.  We liberated Iraq.  We love penis.  Dont envy me.  I want to smoke if i want too.  You want to be like me.  You want my man boobs.  You want to live here.  I'm in a secret society. Yeah baby.  I want oil.  We eat the most food.  We drink the most beer.    We fuck like rabbits.  You're jealous.  U. G. L. Y. You ain't got no alibi. 

....
We in debt to China mens that built our railroads for too many monies. We exploit Asia and Middle-East. Now they rich. We fucked. Bye bye 22nd century. G.U.L.P.
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2009-05-20 17:36:13
Harmor
Error_Name_Not_Found
+605|6788|San Diego, CA, USA
40% of the energy to your outlet is wasted in as its transmitted to your house.  50% of the energy in the United States is from Coal.

I don't know if you count the fact that electric vehicles' batteries affects on the environment (i.e. caustic materials like "lead-acid batteries" or "lithium-thionyl chloride" cells).

If you could generate electricity at your home, say from solar panels, then this would be worth it.

Honestly Hydrogen-fuel celled vehicles would had been best, but Obama killed funding for that.
2009-05-20 22:28:35
DrunkFace
Germans did 911
+427|6920|Disaster Free Zone

Harmor wrote:

40% of the energy to your outlet is wasted in as its transmitted to your house.  50% of the energy in the United States is from Coal.
Where did you get your figures?

wiki wrote:

Transmission and distribution losses in the USA were estimated at 7.2% in 1995, and in the UK at 7.4% in 1998.
2009-05-20 22:40:56
unnamednewbie13
Moderator
+2,053|7011|PNW

ATG wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Saudi Sauce is toxic.
Here is a possible cure.
Why must every future car look like a 1950's mockup of what we were supposed to be driving by 1970?
2009-05-20 23:01:08
LividBovine
The Year of the Cow!
+175|6619|MN

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

ATG wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Saudi Sauce is toxic.
Here is a possible cure.
Why must every future car look like a 1950's mockup of what we were supposed to be driving by 1970?
A little something called Aerodynamics maybe?
"The President does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation" - Barack Obama (a freshman senator from Illinios)
2009-05-20 23:11:43
DrunkFace
Germans did 911
+427|6920|Disaster Free Zone

LividBovine wrote:

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

ATG wrote:


Here is a possible cure.
Why must every future car look like a 1950's mockup of what we were supposed to be driving by 1970?
A little something called Aerodynamics maybe?
lol.

Basic principles of aerodynamics... Lower and longer. Not short and fat, try again.

 

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