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Hannibal (kickass guy)
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Why have only two people mentioned Pompey? He managed to clear the entire Mediteranean sea of pirates (it was completel full of them and they kidnapped all sorts of wealthy people (e.g. Caesar) and held them to Ransom, Pompey was given the full might of Rome and granted 3 years to clear the sea, he did it in 3 months. He also took over from Lucullus in the east and created a set of states that would last pretty much unchanged until the 14th century (Byzantine empire).
Though Lucullus was also a kick ass general. Caesar was good but i think Pompey was better, even if he was known for stealing glory from others (like Crassus who kicked the ass of Spartacus but pompey rode in and killed the routing troops then declared himself the hero of the hour.
Hannibal was pretty awesome though although he was only allowed to remain in Roman territory due to political infighting in Rome itself.
There was another Roman who's name I can't remember that was pretty awesome, he basically rebelled in Spain and got the entire provinces support, he held of the might of Rome for 7 years of near constant battles. Though he was eventually assassinated.
I should learn some more modern stuff I think.
EDIT: I'd written Cannibal...
Though Lucullus was also a kick ass general. Caesar was good but i think Pompey was better, even if he was known for stealing glory from others (like Crassus who kicked the ass of Spartacus but pompey rode in and killed the routing troops then declared himself the hero of the hour.
Hannibal was pretty awesome though although he was only allowed to remain in Roman territory due to political infighting in Rome itself.
There was another Roman who's name I can't remember that was pretty awesome, he basically rebelled in Spain and got the entire provinces support, he held of the might of Rome for 7 years of near constant battles. Though he was eventually assassinated.
I should learn some more modern stuff I think.
EDIT: I'd written Cannibal...
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Commander in Chief Barack Obama of course.
Togo -wiped out the Russian fleet in 1905 at Tsushima
Spruance -turned tide of WWII in the Pacific at Midway 1942
Nelson -destroying the French and Spanish fleets at Trafalgar 1805 (also consider his other fleet victories i.e. Nile, Copenhagen)
Leonidas -inspired Greeks to stop Xerxes
Napoleon -for showing Hitler how to lose WWII
Spruance -turned tide of WWII in the Pacific at Midway 1942
Nelson -destroying the French and Spanish fleets at Trafalgar 1805 (also consider his other fleet victories i.e. Nile, Copenhagen)
Leonidas -inspired Greeks to stop Xerxes
Napoleon -for showing Hitler how to lose WWII
The US economy is a giant Ponzi scheme. And 'to big to fail' is code speak for 'niahnahniahniahnah 99 percenters'
No doubt Togo was great admiral, but Russian fleet at Tsushima was barely an orginized naval force - crap ships, crap crews, crap commanding officers.Stubbee wrote:
Togo -wiped out the Russian fleet in 1905 at Tsushima
Lotta_Drool wrote:
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Patton
Patton
Patton
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Leonidas did nothing to help the Greek cause he was simply a sacrificial pawn sent by the Ephors who held the real power in Sparta that showed the rest of Greece that they were helping, Sparta in the mean time was building a wall across the Istmus to protect itself whilst Athens navy completely and utterly demolished the persian fleet so Xerxes had neither the command chain or supply line to carry out a full scale assault on mainland Greece.Stubbee wrote:
Togo -wiped out the Russian fleet in 1905 at Tsushima
Spruance -turned tide of WWII in the Pacific at Midway 1942
Nelson -destroying the French and Spanish fleets at Trafalgar 1805 (also consider his other fleet victories i.e. Nile, Copenhagen)
Leonidas -inspired Greeks to stop Xerxes
Napoleon -for showing Hitler how to lose WWII
I am sorry, but Alexander just steamrolled. He was no doubt a great leader, but I doubt he was the greatest tactician.
Nelson came up with one bright idea, then died executing it, so in my opinion he doesn't qualify either.
Hannibal does, as do Augustus, Salah E Dinn, Hannibal Smith (), Leonidas, Qi Chi Huang, Patton, Jeanne D'Arc, Napoleon and some Russians and Japanese Samurai I forgot.
Nelson came up with one bright idea, then died executing it, so in my opinion he doesn't qualify either.
Hannibal does, as do Augustus, Salah E Dinn, Hannibal Smith (), Leonidas, Qi Chi Huang, Patton, Jeanne D'Arc, Napoleon and some Russians and Japanese Samurai I forgot.
All the history teachers I've had seem to agree that Patton was overrated
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But was it madness?Noobeater wrote:
Leonidas did nothing to help the Greek cause he was simply a sacrificial pawn sent by the Ephors who held the real power in Sparta that showed the rest of Greece that they were helping, Sparta in the mean time was building a wall across the Istmus to protect itself whilst Athens navy completely and utterly demolished the persian fleet so Xerxes had neither the command chain or supply line to carry out a full scale assault on mainland Greece.Stubbee wrote:
Togo -wiped out the Russian fleet in 1905 at Tsushima
Spruance -turned tide of WWII in the Pacific at Midway 1942
Nelson -destroying the French and Spanish fleets at Trafalgar 1805 (also consider his other fleet victories i.e. Nile, Copenhagen)
Leonidas -inspired Greeks to stop Xerxes
Napoleon -for showing Hitler how to lose WWII
Ghenghis Khan and Alexander the Great!!! hands down!!! also Hannibal. He is up there 2 he did a lot but he couldnt defeat Rome aka Punic Wars.DBBrinson1 wrote:
....well go ahead and tell me. Better yet, make a list of your top five.
Alexander the Great
Napoleon
Robert E. Lee
Genghis Khan
Rommel
Also King Alaric of Visigoths for sacking Rome, after 800 years of Roman dominance!!!
Harald Hardrada and Erik the Red for their Viking accomplishments. oh yeah and Attila the Hun for plundering the Roman Empire.
Rome fall not due Alaric's or Atilla's awesomeness, but mostly because of internal problems aka corruption, lack of talented emperors, economical crisis (dejavu?) etc.blademaster wrote:
Also King Alaric of Visigoths for sacking Rome, after 800 years of Roman dominance!!!
Harald Hardrada and Erik the Red for their Viking accomplishments. oh yeah and Attila the Hun for plundering the Roman Empire.
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Surprised I didn't see Sun Tzu.
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he was theoretic and strategist more than fighter, am I right?DBBrinson1 wrote:
Surprised I didn't see Sun Tzu.
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Evidently the manoevre itself wasn't remarkabel, and like you said probably not even deviced by Leonidas. However the fact that he held out five days with 300 Spartiates and perhaps a couple of thousand helots against the Persian army of one million (which even when grossly exagerated still leaves about one 100k) including the 10k immortals, and the fact that he continued to stand ground till the bitter end is. And even though he might not have won or made any direct contribution to the panhellenic war effort, the act was decisive for the outcome. He bought the Greek coalitian, especially the Atheneans, Thebans and their Boeotians and Attic allies, valluable time to regroup and in the process crushed Persian morale.Noobeater wrote:
Leonidas did nothing to help the Greek cause he was simply a sacrificial pawn sent by the Ephors who held the real power in Sparta that showed the rest of Greece that they were helping, Sparta in the mean time was building a wall across the Istmus to protect itself whilst Athens navy completely and utterly demolished the persian fleet so Xerxes had neither the command chain or supply line to carry out a full scale assault on mainland Greece.
oh yeah and this thread is full ofblademaster wrote:
Ghenghis Khan and Alexander the Great!!! hands down!!! also Hannibal. He is up there 2 he did a lot but he couldnt defeat Rome aka Punic Wars.DBBrinson1 wrote:
....well go ahead and tell me. Better yet, make a list of your top five.
Alexander the Great
Napoleon
Robert E. Lee
Genghis Khan
Rommel
Also King Alaric of Visigoths for sacking Rome, after 800 years of Roman dominance!!!
Harald Hardrada and Erik the Red for their Viking accomplishments. oh yeah and Attila the Hun for plundering the Roman Empire.
well those people were great Generals regardless Attila and AlaricLongbow wrote:
Rome fall not due Alaric's or Atilla's awesomeness, but mostly because of internal problems aka corruption, lack of talented emperors, economical crisis (dejavu?) etc.blademaster wrote:
Also King Alaric of Visigoths for sacking Rome, after 800 years of Roman dominance!!!
Harald Hardrada and Erik the Red for their Viking accomplishments. oh yeah and Attila the Hun for plundering the Roman Empire.
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