My proposal for Music/Movie Downloads!

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2009-05-01 05:35:02

Burwhale: Save the BlobFish!; +136|6524|Brisneyland

The Music/Movie industry is opposed to people downloading stuff of the internet because they cant make money off it. This is crazy because downloadable content is the form that many people want to enjoy movies or music. So we need to find a method that allows the public to download content as we do now without worrying about the legality of it, and also a way to pay Music/Movie companies for the product they produce.

Thinking about this problem, I came up with this:
We add a $1 charge to monthly internet fees for each user around the world. This is siphoned off by ISP's. This can go into a fund (hereafter called Music Payment Fund or MPF) that can be used to pay each Music/Movie company a certain amount when an item is downloaded. Sites like Utorrent etc will keep records of what people are downloading (easily done) and send these records to the MPF so that they can pay the appropriate company.

This way we get downloads for very little money. Record/movie companies get cash for the product where they wouldnt have previously.

Looking at the figures. Total number of internet users = 1,018,057,389 (2005 figures, so is probably larger now)
If each user payed an extra $1 per month we would have a grand total of $12.2 billion/year.

Total sales from the music industry (2005) amounted to approx $12.3 billion This includes CD's, DVDs etc. Downloadable content would be a fraction of this as many people still want to buy CD's, so lets say 1/3 of the MPF ($4.1 billion) could go to the record companies for music downloads.

Total sales of DVD's for 2005 is $15 billion. If I am anything to go by, people like to buy and rent DVD's, so a rough idea for funds that may go to Movie industry for downloads would be 1/3 of the MPF collected as well ($4.1 billion again).

That would leave the remaining $4.1 billion for the TV show downloads, admin costs, whatever.

The Pros in this situation are obvious : we can download whatever we like, and "The Man" is still happy at little cost to us.

The Cons are many:
1.Getting every user in the world to pay $1 per month would be hard to set up.
2. Poor countries will be slugged more in comparison to rich countries.
3. People that dont download will be paying an extra $1 for nothing.
etc, please add more when you think of them.

Obviously it will never happen. My figures are probably not that accurate, but I did this more as en exercise to show how a system like this could be run. What are your thoughts?

2009-05-01 05:47:22

AussieReaper: ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°); +5,761|6455|what

Piss off.

/i say that with the utmost respect.

If a band wants to make money, they simple go on tour and charge outrageously for concert tickets. Sell products, advertising, endorse whatever brand is willing to sponsor them, etc. They benefit from having music downloads available, they are treated to a larger audience and larger potential fan base.

As for movies, stop paying hollywood hacks millions of dollars and concentrate on better scripts and plots and you'll make a profit through movies, dvd sales. Actors are overpaid and movies still gross in the millions no matter how shit they are.

2009-05-01 05:54:46

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6772

AussieReaper wrote:
Piss off.

/i say that with the utmost respect.

If a band wants to make money, they simple go on tour and charge outrageously for concert tickets. Sell products, advertising, endorse whatever brand is willing to sponsor them, etc. They benefit from having music downloads available, they are treated to a larger audience and larger potential fan base.

As for movies, stop paying hollywood hacks millions of dollars and concentrate on better scripts and plots and you'll make a profit through movies, dvd sales. Actors are overpaid and movies still gross in the millions no matter how shit they are.

This, tbh.

An even bigger problem than piracy itself is that record-companies and artists somehow feel as though they're entitled to millionaire lifestyles because of the wanky shit that they churn out every month. Start making good music and good movies and you'll be rewarded accordingly... the Hollywood and pop-industry bubble has burst, no artist should be rightfully making $10m. a year for 'performing' on pre-written, pre-produced tracks. The same goes for the movie-industry too - it's almost the same effect as the high-flying banker culture when actors somehow feel ripped off when they don't receive several million dollars for talking on a screen for an hour. Fuck you!

Last edited by Uzique (2009-05-01 05:55:27)

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2009-05-01 06:02:48

Burwhale: Save the BlobFish!; +136|6524|Brisneyland

AussieReaper wrote:
Piss off.

/i say that with the utmost respect.

If a band wants to make money, they simple go on tour and charge outrageously for concert tickets. Sell products, advertising, endorse whatever brand is willing to sponsor them, etc. They benefit from having music downloads available, they are treated to a larger audience and larger potential fan base.

As for movies, stop paying hollywood hacks millions of dollars and concentrate on better scripts and plots and you'll make a profit through movies, dvd sales. Actors are overpaid and movies still gross in the millions no matter how shit they are.

I agree with paragraph 1. My plan could also be used to bypass the music industry so that the Fund pays straight to the artist.

As for parapragh 2, , movies cost milllions to make, surely the studio deserves some money for its product, regardless of the way we veiw it. Bear in mind that this idea really wouldnt cost the consumer much, and would remove the need for us to download stuff illegally. Especialy as some countries are cracking down on people downloading ( France etc) which is pretty fucked.

2009-05-01 08:00:28

Agent_Dung_Bomb: Member; +302|7038|Salt Lake City

It's kind of funny how many of you noted that so-and-so isn't entitled to this, that, or the other, yet you feel entitled to take for free what they spent money and time to make. Very odd that you also note that this and that is crap, but you still download it.

Sounds to me like you are the ones that somehow feel "entitled" to pirate these goods.

2009-05-01 09:37:57

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6772

Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:
It's kind of funny how many of you noted that so-and-so isn't entitled to this, that, or the other, yet you feel entitled to take for free what they spent money and time to make. Very odd that you also note that this and that is crap, but you still download it.

Sounds to me like you are the ones that somehow feel "entitled" to pirate these goods.

I support them through other avenues, not through extortionate corporate-inflated products. No one is going hungry because I am copying files from one computer to another; at the end of the day they still have another fan that will purchase their merchandise, turn up to their concerts and recommend their material to everyone s/he knows that may actually possibly purchase the CD.

I don't think I'm 'entitled' to their music or films - disagreeing with their pricing and their culture doesn't infer that I am subjecting them to my own culture and valuating system. I'm more simply just refusing to partake in that form of trade altogether.

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2009-05-01 10:21:16

Agent_Dung_Bomb: Member; +302|7038|Salt Lake City

Uzique wrote:
Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:
It's kind of funny how many of you noted that so-and-so isn't entitled to this, that, or the other, yet you feel entitled to take for free what they spent money and time to make. Very odd that you also note that this and that is crap, but you still download it.

Sounds to me like you are the ones that somehow feel "entitled" to pirate these goods.
I support them through other avenues, not through extortionate corporate-inflated products. No one is going hungry because I am copying files from one computer to another; at the end of the day they still have another fan that will purchase their merchandise, turn up to their concerts and recommend their material to everyone s/he knows that may actually possibly purchase the CD.

I don't think I'm 'entitled' to their music or films - disagreeing with their pricing and their culture doesn't infer that I am subjecting them to my own culture and valuating system. I'm more simply just refusing to partake in that form of trade altogether.

If you disagree with their pricing and policies then simply don't buy their product, but don't be a thief either. You can change their policy by hitting them in the pocket book, but they aren't going to change if people are still acquiring the material through illegal avenues.

2009-05-01 11:33:27

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6772

Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:
Uzique wrote:
Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:
It's kind of funny how many of you noted that so-and-so isn't entitled to this, that, or the other, yet you feel entitled to take for free what they spent money and time to make. Very odd that you also note that this and that is crap, but you still download it.

Sounds to me like you are the ones that somehow feel "entitled" to pirate these goods.
I support them through other avenues, not through extortionate corporate-inflated products. No one is going hungry because I am copying files from one computer to another; at the end of the day they still have another fan that will purchase their merchandise, turn up to their concerts and recommend their material to everyone s/he knows that may actually possibly purchase the CD.

I don't think I'm 'entitled' to their music or films - disagreeing with their pricing and their culture doesn't infer that I am subjecting them to my own culture and valuating system. I'm more simply just refusing to partake in that form of trade altogether.
If you disagree with their pricing and policies then simply don't buy their product, but don't be a thief either. You can change their policy by hitting them in the pocket book, but they aren't going to change if people are still acquiring the material through illegal avenues.

I don't 'thieve' anything from them, nor do I hit them in the pocket book. I copy files, not steal. They still earn revenue from me through other avenues, they can bitch and moan all they want... at the end of the day they're still sitting cozy with their swimming pools and Bentleys.

Last edited by Uzique (2009-05-01 11:33:51)

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2009-05-01 13:22:16

.Sup: be nice; +2,646|6755|The Twilight Zone

If you do convince all inhabitants of this planet to pay a mothly fee theres going to be even less legal downloads (online purchases) and ordinary old school shop purchases. Why? Cos everybody will then think that dollar they are giving out every month buys you unlimited resources of audio/video/games/etc.

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2009-05-01 13:51:51

Agent_Dung_Bomb: Member; +302|7038|Salt Lake City

Uzique wrote:
Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:
Uzique wrote:

I support them through other avenues, not through extortionate corporate-inflated products. No one is going hungry because I am copying files from one computer to another; at the end of the day they still have another fan that will purchase their merchandise, turn up to their concerts and recommend their material to everyone s/he knows that may actually possibly purchase the CD.

I don't think I'm 'entitled' to their music or films - disagreeing with their pricing and their culture doesn't infer that I am subjecting them to my own culture and valuating system. I'm more simply just refusing to partake in that form of trade altogether.
If you disagree with their pricing and policies then simply don't buy their product, but don't be a thief either. You can change their policy by hitting them in the pocket book, but they aren't going to change if people are still acquiring the material through illegal avenues.
I don't 'thieve' anything from them, nor do I hit them in the pocket book. I copy files, not steal. They still earn revenue from me through other avenues, they can bitch and moan all they want... at the end of the day they're still sitting cozy with their swimming pools and Bentleys.

If you download or obtain copyrighted material, whether it be music, movies, or whatever, and do not pay for it, you are stealing. That makes you a thief. It's that simple, no matter how you try to justify it.

2009-05-01 15:04:46

.Sup: be nice; +2,646|6755|The Twilight Zone

Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:
Uzique wrote:
Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:

If you disagree with their pricing and policies then simply don't buy their product, but don't be a thief either. You can change their policy by hitting them in the pocket book, but they aren't going to change if people are still acquiring the material through illegal avenues.
I don't 'thieve' anything from them, nor do I hit them in the pocket book. I copy files, not steal. They still earn revenue from me through other avenues, they can bitch and moan all they want... at the end of the day they're still sitting cozy with their swimming pools and Bentleys.
If you download or obtain copyrighted material, whether it be music, movies, or whatever, and do not pay for it, you are stealing. That makes you a thief. It's that simple, no matter how you try to justify it.

that is true but I believe my government is stealing from me too-crazy taxes so at the end everybody is stealing from each other but life goes on...

2009-05-01 15:12:04

Flaming_Maniac: prince of insufficient light; +2,490|7009|67.222.138.85

Man it would be a lot easier to stomach posts 2 and 3 if they were protesting by not taking part. Instead they consume and bitch about what they're consuming for free.

2009-05-01 15:17:34

legionair: back to i-life; +336|6925|EU

Dont forget that not everyone internet user is interested in downloadable content. Yep, there are still people who uses it for emails and news bla bla bla... Why do they have to pay a dollar more for something they arent using at all? How will you convince them? Or just ignore? Im not telling that its a bad idea, but definitely needs a better explanation of how do you want to implement it.

P.S. - I steal!

2009-05-01 15:17:54

Turquoise: O Canada; +1,596|6707|North Carolina

This is an interesting idea.... but... what's more likely to happen are increasingly restrictive bandwidth caps.

Granted, they might decide to implement this in addition to lower caps.

2009-05-01 15:20:42

RDMC: Enemy Wheelbarrow Spotted..!!; +736|6867|Area 51

.Sup wrote:
If you do convince all inhabitants of this planet to pay a mothly fee theres going to be even less legal downloads (online purchases) and ordinary old school shop purchases. Why? Cos everybody will then think that dollar they are giving out every month buys you unlimited resources of audio/video/games/etc.

^ This. Why would someone spend $1 a song on iTunes when you can get unlimited songs from anywhere for that same dollar.

2009-05-02 05:43:17

Ajax_the_Great1: Dropped on request; +206|6948

Uzique wrote:
I don't 'thieve' anything from them, nor do I hit them in the pocket book. I copy files, not steal.

So if I find a way to print my own money or "copy" money, it's not stealing?

2009-05-02 05:55:47

Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,817|6408|eXtreme to the maX

uzique wrote:
I don't 'thieve' anything from them, nor do I hit them in the pocket book. I copy files, not steal.

Copying something which is copyrighted is stealing.

Burwhales plan sounds like communism.

Fuck Israel

2009-05-02 06:26:48

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6772

Dilbert_X wrote:
uzique wrote:
I don't 'thieve' anything from them, nor do I hit them in the pocket book. I copy files, not steal.
Copying something which is copyrighted is stealing.

Burwhales plan sounds like communism.

It's copyright infringement, that's the literal meaning of the word copyright. It's not categorically or legally theft. Theft is the appropriation of someone elses property that incurs a loss or damage of some sort- technically I am not detracting or causing any loss when I copy a music file to my computer, I would be charged with a different offence if ever caught and tried (which would in all likelihood, be never).

Similarly with Ajax, if you found a way to copy money... then that's counterfeiting, not stealing; fraud and forgery. Why are you guys such legal morons?

Last edited by Uzique (2009-05-02 06:27:34)

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2009-05-02 09:02:42

Ajax_the_Great1: Dropped on request; +206|6948

Uzique wrote:
Dilbert_X wrote:
uzique wrote:
I don't 'thieve' anything from them, nor do I hit them in the pocket book. I copy files, not steal.
Copying something which is copyrighted is stealing.

Burwhales plan sounds like communism.
It's copyright infringement, that's the literal meaning of the word copyright. It's not categorically or legally theft. Theft is the appropriation of someone elses property that incurs a loss or damage of some sort- technically I am not detracting or causing any loss when I copy a music file to my computer, I would be charged with a different offence if ever caught and tried (which would in all likelihood, be never).

Similarly with Ajax, if you found a way to copy money... then that's counterfeiting, not stealing; fraud and forgery. Why are you guys such legal morons?

lol, says the guy who thinks he's not stealing

I don't even care that you do it, but stop trying to somehow justify it.

2009-05-02 09:11:22

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6772

I don't justify it, I accept that it is wrong... but I'm not stealing or thieving anything, that's my point.

Until they offer me a real, viable solution, I shall continue in my corrupt and heinous ways.

Sucks for you that I get to enjoy a universe of awesome music that I literally love, whilst you're stuck constrained in your taste and selection because of criminal prices.

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2009-05-02 09:19:38

AussieReaper: ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°); +5,761|6455|what

Uzique wrote:
I don't justify it, I accept that it is wrong... but I'm not stealing or thieving anything, that's my point.

Until they offer me a real, viable solution, I shall continue in my corrupt and heinous ways.

Sucks for you that I get to enjoy a universe of awesome music that I literally love, whilst you're stuck constrained in your taste and selection because of criminal prices.

Exactly how I feel.

2009-05-02 09:34:51

13rin: Member; +977|6781

Uzique wrote:
I don't justify it, I accept that it is wrong... but I'm not stealing or thieving anything, that's my point.

Until they offer me a real, viable solution, I shall continue in my corrupt and heinous ways.

Sucks for you that I get to enjoy a universe of awesome music that I literally love, whilst you're stuck constrained in your taste and selection because of criminal prices.

So then you are compensating the artists' when you are 'downloading' their product?

http://www.riaa.com/physicalpiracy.php? … ne_the_law

Be careful you could wind up with a 5 year sentance & $250K fine.

Sucks for you that I just sent your confession to the yard.... kidding.

Last edited by DBBrinson1 (2009-05-02 09:35:29)

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2009-05-02 09:36:47

Ajax_the_Great1: Dropped on request; +206|6948

Uzique wrote:
I don't justify it, I accept that it is wrong... but I'm not stealing or thieving anything, that's my point.

Until they offer me a real, viable solution, I shall continue in my corrupt and heinous ways.

Sucks for you that I get to enjoy a universe of awesome music that I literally love, whilst you're stuck constrained in your taste and selection because of criminal prices.

I agree with you on that actually. Music prices are pretty crazy. Even the 1$ a song thing is a lot of money when you consider that most kids have thousands of songs on their pc's. This is why I don't really give a crap when you or anyone else does it. I pay for my music because I like to own something thats authentic, a collectors mentality. Plus I don't listen to that much music in the first place.

The only thing I think is funny is your whole "fight the man" mentality. You don't do it because of the social injustice of it all. You do it simply because you can. At least have the balls to just admit it.

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