I say do both and fund it by sealing our border and ending services for illegal aliens.
/win
/win
Poll
Should NASA prepare for potential asteroid threat before the moon?
| Go to the Moon first | 32% | 32% - 11 | ||||
| Set asteroid as top priority | 50% | 50% - 17 | ||||
| Advance Orion asteroid mission | 5% | 5% - 2 | ||||
| Allow Earth to be hit by NEO | 11% | 11% - 4 | ||||
| Total: 34 | ||||||
This might not be the time or place to say it...
But I'm kind of looking forward to a doomsday event, be it zombie apocalypse, asteroid strike, or global flooding.
But I'm kind of looking forward to a doomsday event, be it zombie apocalypse, asteroid strike, or global flooding.
I like zombie apocalypses.
Personally, I'm just sick of mankind as a whole continuing on as if we're invincible, not worrying about the planet, not worrying about trying to solve global issues, and not helping our fellow man.
It's arrogant...and downright annoying.
It's arrogant...and downright annoying.
What I fin funny is how people have this notion that our buildings are going to be here forever.
In the last ten thousand years there have been massive changes to the planet. To think that Florida or California will still be around and booming tourism in a few thousand years seems absurd.
In the last ten thousand years there have been massive changes to the planet. To think that Florida or California will still be around and booming tourism in a few thousand years seems absurd.
All it takes is one massive flood, one fire, one earthquake...
Or one bomb, one Chernobyl, one oil tanker run aground...
Or one bomb, one Chernobyl, one oil tanker run aground...
Go to the moon, as the advances made for that will be more readily applicable to the asteroid situation.
Two birds, one stone.
Two birds, one stone.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
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― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
How big is that asteroid? From the projected trajectory it is going to land in unhabitated areas mostly. If it is Tungunska-Like there aint much to worry, unless it lands in the pacific......
Why are you people even wondering about such distant future, well all be dead by 2100 (this generation) unless infinite life gets develloped.
EDIT: And actually, to be honest, unless we get rid of this monetary/capitalist system, we won't even last until 2100 imo. This social system is destroying mankind.
Why are you people even wondering about such distant future, well all be dead by 2100 (this generation) unless infinite life gets develloped.
EDIT: And actually, to be honest, unless we get rid of this monetary/capitalist system, we won't even last until 2100 imo. This social system is destroying mankind.
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In 2036 I'll be 48. Yeah, I figure I'll have done most things that I want to by then. Lets go to the moon!
As scientifically/nationalistically (is that a word?) useful as a moon-trip would be, I would have thought preventing a potential mass extinction would be a good thing to prioritize.
NB. Ioan - the Pacific Ocean is bigger than all the other land masses combined... (I think). Plus, if I have the liberty of choosing how I die, dying in an impact-induced extinction event is not how I would pick to go.
NB. Ioan - the Pacific Ocean is bigger than all the other land masses combined... (I think). Plus, if I have the liberty of choosing how I die, dying in an impact-induced extinction event is not how I would pick to go.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
Basic risk/benefit analysis.Spark wrote:
As scientifically/nationalistically (is that a word?) useful as a moon-trip would be, I would have thought preventing a potential mass extinction would be a good thing to prioritize.
The risk of an asteroid hitting the Earth is low. The benefit of moon research is high (as evidenced by the advances made in the Apollo project).
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“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
I meant the resulting tsunami. All pacific coastlines woud be afftected.Spark wrote:
As scientifically/nationalistically (is that a word?) useful as a moon-trip would be, I would have thought preventing a potential mass extinction would be a good thing to prioritize.
NB. Ioan - the Pacific Ocean is bigger than all the other land masses combined... (I think). Plus, if I have the liberty of choosing how I die, dying in an impact-induced extinction event is not how I would pick to go.
Tunguska like impacts are not tracked. They are in the 3–10 megaton range. If Apophis hits it would be around 880 megatons.Ioan92 wrote:
I meant the resulting tsunami. All pacific coastlines woud be afftected.Spark wrote:
As scientifically/nationalistically (is that a word?) useful as a moon-trip would be, I would have thought preventing a potential mass extinction would be a good thing to prioritize.
NB. Ioan - the Pacific Ocean is bigger than all the other land masses combined... (I think). Plus, if I have the liberty of choosing how I die, dying in an impact-induced extinction event is not how I would pick to go.
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I doubt it. I'll wake up 50 and we will be scratching our gray pubes and see together that there is a world of things we haven't done yet.ghettoperson wrote:
In 2036 I'll be 48. Yeah, I figure I'll have done most things that I want to by then. Lets go to the moon!
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Oh, I see. That actually means that if it lands in the pacific its going to somewhat better for the rest of the world. Pacific zones would be devastated but the rest of the world should be spared right?Kmarion wrote:
Tunguska like impacts are not tracked. They are in the 3–10 megaton range. If Apophis hits it would be around 880 megatons.Ioan92 wrote:
I meant the resulting tsunami. All pacific coastlines woud be afftected.Spark wrote:
As scientifically/nationalistically (is that a word?) useful as a moon-trip would be, I would have thought preventing a potential mass extinction would be a good thing to prioritize.
NB. Ioan - the Pacific Ocean is bigger than all the other land masses combined... (I think). Plus, if I have the liberty of choosing how I die, dying in an impact-induced extinction event is not how I would pick to go.
Yeah. Ironic actually. It's funny that we don't have "money" to explore space eventhough we could get information, raw materials and would be able harness its enormous rescourses. It would allow more prosperous life for everyone (hahah, ideal thinking). But all this is tied down because of ... eh, money?Kmarion wrote:
It's kinda fckedup that survival really relies on money when you think about it. We have the physical resources, the man power, and the potential technology already in place.
I believe in human kind/space morbos and their technology progress to solve this small problem. Eventually we might be able to just "stitch" space.Kmarion wrote:
Well, it's a one way ticket in any case. Big Rip, big crunch, big bounce, big freeze .. take your pick. We're just trying to squeeze as much as possible out of this ride.
*cough*
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Yup, the world is dependent on toilet paper. I thought mankind could of done better. Seems not.Ei Em wrote:
Yeah. Ironic actually. It's funny that we don't have "money" to explore space eventhough we could get information, raw materials and would be able harness its enormous rescourses. It would allow more prosperous life for everyone (hahah, ideal thinking). But all this is tied down because of ... eh, money?Kmarion wrote:
It's kinda fckedup that survival really relies on money when you think about it. We have the physical resources, the man power, and the potential technology already in place.
Man is now a sedentary creature. Without a system of rewards for contribution we'd be up shit creek too.Ioan92 wrote:
Yup, the world is dependent on toilet paper. I thought mankind could of done better. Seems not.Ei Em wrote:
Yeah. Ironic actually. It's funny that we don't have "money" to explore space eventhough we could get information, raw materials and would be able harness its enormous rescourses. It would allow more prosperous life for everyone (hahah, ideal thinking). But all this is tied down because of ... eh, money?Kmarion wrote:
It's kinda fckedup that survival really relies on money when you think about it. We have the physical resources, the man power, and the potential technology already in place.
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January 13th 2013 Apophis will near miss, with about a 1 in 100,000 chance of impact. It will even nearer miss on April 14th 2036, with a 1/1000 chance of impact.
However the info collected from the 2013 near miss will enable NASA to better figure out how to slow it down, thus changing it's orbit, and hopefully increasing the chance of impact to 1/10,000.
I learned this in Engineering. It was cool cuz my teacher had a program that could track it's flight-path, as well as show how the gravitational pulls of Earth and Venus were speeding it up and slowing it down.
However the info collected from the 2013 near miss will enable NASA to better figure out how to slow it down, thus changing it's orbit, and hopefully increasing the chance of impact to 1/10,000.
I learned this in Engineering. It was cool cuz my teacher had a program that could track it's flight-path, as well as show how the gravitational pulls of Earth and Venus were speeding it up and slowing it down.
I think you mean the 2029 pass, not 2013. There are key elements missing in those calculations.. like composition and other celestial influences. Those are things that could change the projections enough to put it in the earths path. We map less than 10% of possible NEO's in our sky. I used apophis as an example, the Orion asteroid mission is not going to apophis.DoctaStrangelove wrote:
January 13th 2013 Apophis will near miss, with about a 1 in 100,000 chance of impact. It will even nearer miss on April 14th 2036, with a 1/1000 chance of impact.
However the info collected from the 2013 near miss will enable NASA to better figure out how to slow it down, thus changing it's orbit, and hopefully increasing the chance of impact to 1/10,000.
I learned this in Engineering. It was cool cuz my teacher had a program that could track it's flight-path, as well as show how the gravitational pulls of Earth and Venus were speeding it up and slowing it down.
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I've got it all worked out guise.
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You know what, if I haven't done most of the things I want to by 50, then fuck it, I'm failing myself and I don't deserve to live. And fuck career goals, like I could give a shit about that.Superior Mind wrote:
I doubt it. I'll wake up 50 and we will be scratching our gray pubes and see together that there is a world of things we haven't done yet.ghettoperson wrote:
In 2036 I'll be 48. Yeah, I figure I'll have done most things that I want to by then. Lets go to the moon!
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50 aint the end. Don't consider it over when you have run out of ideas. There is always something new to do.ghettoperson wrote:
You know what, if I haven't done most of the things I want to by 50, then fuck it, I'm failing myself and I don't deserve to live. And fuck career goals, like I could give a shit about that.Superior Mind wrote:
I doubt it. I'll wake up 50 and we will be scratching our gray pubes and see together that there is a world of things we haven't done yet.ghettoperson wrote:
In 2036 I'll be 48. Yeah, I figure I'll have done most things that I want to by then. Lets go to the moon!
It's not a resource in this sense, it's a measure of value. How much we are willing to spend = how much we value it.Kmarion wrote:
It's kinda funny fckedup that survival really relies on money when you think about it. We have the physical resources, the man power, and the potential technology already in place.
It's kinda dumb to pit one against the other. Obviously it's not as easy, but it only makes sense to rank everything that we want the U.S. Gov to spend money on, and spend money proceeding down the list until we run out. It doesn't make sense for NASA to be making the decision.