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2009-04-26 15:39:29
BVC
Member
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http://www.time.com/time/health/article … 46,00.html

Summary for the lazy:
Portugal decriminalised drugs.  Yes, drugs.  All of them.
- Illegal drug usage rates amongst 16-18yos dropped (something can be illegal even when decriminalised)
- New HIV infections dropped.
- Rates of those seeking treatment for addiction increased.

Discuss.
2009-04-26 15:49:43
xBlackPantherx
Grow up, or die
+142|6645|California

Pubic wrote:

http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1893946,00.html

Summary for the lazy:
Portugal decriminalised drugs.  Yes, drugs.  All of them.
- Illegal drug usage rates amongst 16-18yos dropped (something can be illegal even when decriminalised)
- Rates of those seeking treatment for addiction increased.
Of course those seeking treatment rose, no doubt in relation to the amount of people using it.
2009-04-26 16:03:48
Harmor
Error_Name_Not_Found
+605|6850|San Diego, CA, USA
And how much does this legalized drug use cost society?  I mean cigarettes are legal and they cost society lots of money.

I wouldn't have a problem with drug use if it was just yourself, but how we have to have Mothers Against Drunk and High Driving (MADHD), which messes up their MADD acronym.
2009-04-26 16:06:19
-CARNIFEX-[LOC]
Da Blooze
+111|6956
Yes.
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2009-04-26 16:21:48
Flecco
iPod is broken.
+1,048|6967|NT, like Mick Dundee

Harmor wrote:

And how much does this legalized drug use cost society?  I mean cigarettes are legal and they cost society lots of money.

I wouldn't have a problem with drug use if it was just yourself, but how we have to have Mothers Against Drunk and High Driving (MADHD), which messes up their MADD acronym.
We make the money back in taxation of alcohol and tobacco.

We don't make it back for other drugs. Legalise, regulate and tax, at least that way the hospital beds the damn things cost us are paid for.
Whoa... Can't believe these forums are still kicking.
2009-04-26 16:26:59
BVC
Member
+325|6997

xBlackPantherx wrote:

Pubic wrote:

http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1893946,00.html

Summary for the lazy:
Portugal decriminalised drugs.  Yes, drugs.  All of them.
- Illegal drug usage rates amongst 16-18yos dropped (something can be illegal even when decriminalised)
- Rates of those seeking treatment for addiction increased.
Of course those seeking treatment rose, no doubt in relation to the amount of people using it.
Usage rates have dropped.  Can I assume you're saying that the rate of treatment-seekers is inversely proportional to the rate of usage?
2009-04-26 16:30:17
Harmor
Error_Name_Not_Found
+605|6850|San Diego, CA, USA
If you could find a study where it shows taxation of drugs would cover the societal costs then I would seriously consider it; I'm a libertarian at heart but a social conservative to the bone.

Now excuse me as I listen to Numa Numa while not-stoned.
2009-04-26 16:49:38
Flecco
iPod is broken.
+1,048|6967|NT, like Mick Dundee

Harmor wrote:

If you could find a study where it shows taxation of drugs would cover the societal costs then I would seriously consider it; I'm a libertarian at heart but a social conservative to the bone.

Now excuse me as I listen to Numa Numa while not-stoned.
Check out the actual rate of taxation on cigarettes. It's massive over here. Gotta be a decent revenue stream for the government. If they cost more than the cost of the hospital beds they fill, why would the government keep them around/not jack up the tax rates on them?
Whoa... Can't believe these forums are still kicking.
2009-04-26 17:06:58
mcjagdflieger
Champion of Dueling Rectums
+26|6613|South Jersey
I cant believe weed is still in the same class as coke and heroin. To all you morons who think pot is more dangerous than alcohol, please chop your head off now, so it can remain buried under the sand forever.
2009-04-26 17:21:02
Wreckognize
Member
+294|6787
See my user title.
2009-04-26 17:34:36
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6831|Global Command

mcjagdflieger wrote:

I cant believe weed is still in the same class as coke and heroin. To all you morons who think pot is more dangerous than alcohol, please chop your head off now, so it can remain buried under the sand forever.
Rather brutish, but yes. This^^^
2009-04-26 22:42:38
xBlackPantherx
Grow up, or die
+142|6645|California

Pubic wrote:

xBlackPantherx wrote:

Pubic wrote:

http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1893946,00.html

Summary for the lazy:
Portugal decriminalised drugs.  Yes, drugs.  All of them.
- Illegal drug usage rates amongst 16-18yos dropped (something can be illegal even when decriminalised)
- Rates of those seeking treatment for addiction increased.
Of course those seeking treatment rose, no doubt in relation to the amount of people using it.
Usage rates have dropped.  Can I assume you're saying that the rate of treatment-seekers is inversely proportional to the rate of usage?
Illegal usage among a age grade of 2 years had dropped, but one can only assume being legal caused more people, in general, to use them.

mcjag: Yes
2009-04-27 00:16:08
PureFodder
Member
+225|6587

Harmor wrote:

If you could find a study where it shows taxation of drugs would cover the societal costs then I would seriously consider it; I'm a libertarian at heart but a social conservative to the bone.

Now excuse me as I listen to Numa Numa while not-stoned.
If decriminalisation reduces the number of people using drugs or has no particular impact on the numbers then in terms of societal cost there's no change as current criminal drug use already has the societal cost.

Just the savings from not sticking huge numbers of minor drug offeners in prison will likely save billions.

 

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