BF2S Forums New Swine-Avian-Human Flu. Is this the Apocalypse?

some_random_panda wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:

some_random_panda wrote:

Didn't like that film much.  He alters the past, but doesn't alter his past in the future, so his second "It wasn't them" message never got to him and he died.  Wut.

But does he alter anything....?

Great film. Like every other film Terry Gilliam has ever made.

Well, yes, he sends his future self a message which would have arrived with his first message had he actually sent it.  He doesn't hear his own message saying that the 12 Monkeys has nothing to do with it, even though he sent both.  If you ignore the plot hole that one of his messages doesn't arrive while the other does, and then the first arrives and is heard by his cellmate, then the whole "around in a circle" thing works nicely.

Tbh that movie confused the fuck out of me when I saw it as a kid. Brad Pitt was funny though.

Last edited by Flecco (2009-04-26 06:05:09)

least mexico are finally reacting.

Sgt. Sergio Bennet 3rd wrote:

i live in mexico city,
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what is still unconfirmed, is said that patient zero came from california, he infected unprepaired medics and some sick poor people at a public hospital. From there it spreaded.

I would like this confirmed as well.  Because if this patient zero was able to travel freely back into the United States then they could spread it here, beyond what's already in New York. 

Sgt. Sergio Bennet 3rd wrote:

what we know too  is that one french guy and one british guy got sick after arriving to their countries. considering the thousands of people that fly from mexico city airport to other countries, that is good news, and also, weird..

I think I saw a special some years ago where because we have international flights pandemics can start simultaneously around the world. 

Sgt. Sergio Bennet 3rd wrote:

the virus is attacking people between 20 and 40 y.o., why?, because younger people has already on their systems the vaccine for influenza, not for this particular kind, but it is helping them some way to not getting sick.
im 35+ y.o. and i dont have that vaccine on my system. i got similar symptoms like 2 weeks ago. I overrided them by filling my system with vitamine C and A. This is something the government has asked us to do.

So two things, should we get the influenza shot?  And two, if you already have been exposed to the flu and your body has already repelled the attack, can we make a serum/vaccine from you?   Please?

Sgt. Sergio Bennet 3rd wrote:

our government has asked us to stay at our homes as long as possible and avoid conglomerates of people, like going to school, concerts, movies, sport events, etc.. too bad not going to work wasnt mentioned, i could go to cancun to "cool down". mexico city is windy these days and the virus is airborne. this is for precaution. if we have to get out, they recommend us to covers our nose and mouth. we cant get the virus through our skins.

I guess it maybe a good idea to remote desktop into work then, huh?

Sgt. Sergio Bennet 3rd wrote:

Hopefully we will develop a vaccine in the next few days or our system is going to develop antibodies asap. Our systems are different from yours.

Its a virus, we have never made a vaccine for a virus as far as I know?

The the swine flu really bad or is it just like any other flu?  I mean people die from flu all the time, do we really lack the ability to kick it like we do any other flu?

I is thinking that this is a slow media week and in 2 weeks it will be just a memory.  Until I hear about 5k-40K deaths caused by it I don't see it being anything special.

Flu shots are pretty worthless, in a short-term sense, as there are so many variations of the virus because it mutates so rapidly.  So any time you get a "flu shot", what you are getting is minimal exposure to whatever flu strains are predicted to be prevalent during that particular flu season.

And for that reason, if you don't usually get flu shots, but during a year that is predicted to be worse than usual you go ahead and do get one, you really aren't much safer than had you done nothing.

Flu shots work optimally if you get them every year, because they typically make them from a mix of various, commonly-encountered strains, and so over time you get exposed to a wider variety of influenza viruses and your long-term "library" of antibodies builds up, making you more resistant to a larger number of strains.


The problem with flu - and the reason that fearing a pandemic is at least somewhat justified - is that strains like this that are mixes of influenza from different types of animals, that suddenly mutate and gain the ability to affect humans, are typically not that similar to those strains used to formulate vaccines.

As a society we tend to think of influenza as not that bad of a issue because it's so common to hear "Oh, I just had a minor case of 'stomach flu'..." (there is no such thing as "stomach flu", btw...), or because many cases involve the more common strains that are much more treatable.

But if you get hit with a flu strain that is unusual/new, then you have a very serious illness to deal with, and hospitalization may very well be in your near future.

Time to rebuild Hadrian's Wall

Harmor wrote:

I would like this confirmed as well.  Because if this patient zero was able to travel freely back into the United States then they could spread it here, beyond what's already in New York.

That was told at our news last thursday but it hasnt been recalled. Last we heard is that he died here in mexico.

Harmor wrote:

So two things, should we get the influenza shot?  And two, if you already have been exposed to the flu and your body has already repelled the attack, can we make a serum/vaccine from you?   Please?

the influenza shot that already exists and is given to kids 3 times before getting 10 y.o., is for avial influenza, not for porcine or the mutated class that has appeared. What has been tested is that this vaccine, plus vitamin A and C in high doses, stops the symptoms, for kids. For adults is different, you have 48 hours after the first symptoms to go to a hospital and get special treatment, the avial inluenza vaccine is applied plus another one (i dont recall the name) and vitamins. The symptoms go away in 3 days, but you have to keep getting vitamin C for like 15 days, like having a XL orange juice everyday.
Im not sure i had influenza. I had similar symptoms, except the diarrea. we who live at mexico city, as soon as we start getting a cold (changing weather and temperature at this time of the year), we fill our systems with vitamin C and medicines for cold. we dont go to the doctors in this cases. Our mistake.

Harmor wrote:

I guess it maybe a good idea to remote desktop into work then, huh?

i think that is been revisited by our government. Maybe they will call for it next wednesday, depending of what happens monday and tuesday, when people go back to work. The people that uses the subway are the ones that has us very worried, considering rush hours, when the subway is at 95% full..

Last edited by Sgt. Sergio Bennet 3rd (2009-04-26 13:10:02)

I am going out today and buying multivitamins for us and kids.  Also getting anti-bacterial hand wipes to carry in cars and the kids won't be going in public places (ie toy isle at Wal-Fart).  I am going to try to keep us somewhat safe for a couple weeks incase all the hospitals fill up from this shit and we start seeing deaths in the US.  Lots of filthy fucking illegals in the schools around here and it should spread like wildfire judging by the hygene of people around here.  I may keep the kids out of school a few days here to see what is up, when you here about a class of 25 coming down sick you see the potential of this virus.

FatherTed wrote:

Switch wrote:

Time to rebuild Hadrian's Wall

Don't really know how anyone from scotland afforded the flights to mexico.

If we are going down, we are taking all you other cunts on this island to hell with us!

blademaster wrote:

FatherTed is gonna hide in the hills and battle the flu with his magic sword and shield

but yeah go somewhere cold where flu cant sustain itself

If FatherTed is at least a 3rd level Paladin he's immune to disease:

SRD wrote:

Divine Health (Ex): At 3rd level, a paladin gains immunity to all diseases, including supernatural and magical diseases.

:-P

oh no... I slept with a pig last night... and i have a terrible cought today....lol
according to the news... The US cases are mild and the Mexican ones are more severe...weird?

[TUF]Catbox wrote:

oh no... I slept with a pig last night... and i have a terrible cought today....lol
according to the news... The US cases are mild and the Mexican ones are more severe...weird?

Its supposed to have originated from California. May be the California strain was mild and it went down to Mexico and mutated.

May be a guy who did birds hooked up with a guy who did swine... I'm just saying

ATG wrote:

FEOS wrote:

ATG wrote:

It is spreading like wildfire, and now we have a global shitstorm on our hands.

Hyperbole much?

I hope to look like an ass for my worry.

We are somewhat overdue for a rather nasty die off from this sort of thing.
Fact.

I think that based on the fact that the only deaths have been in Mexico and all cases thus far north of the border have been rather slight--even in comparison to standard flu--it's a bit too early to call out the catastrophe club.